All Blacks v Argentina II
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@Jet said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
@Darth-Sader said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
I had a lot of hope for Razor, but honestly we’re lacking the basic structure that someone like Schmidt brings. Our play may have been more conservative under someone like that, but we’d have better fundamentals. He’s blooded a few new players, but essentially playing the same team/plan as Foster. Very disappointed with the lack of progression. Some areas have gone backwards.
Its the shoulder shrugging and hand waving away after defeats thats get me.
There should be consequences.
Drop 6 or 7 of them if you have to.
Sack a coach.
Drop an F Bomb in a press conference.
It doesnt look like it hurts them like it hurts us (or at least it used to).
And we dont have any vultures in the media holding their feet to the fire.
Kirst and Beav?
Wilson Mils and Angus?
Bryn Hall and Parsons?
Do me a favour....all pally pally.
You get better opinions on our game from non NZ sources such as Keo and Zels on SA Rugby.
Even on here tonight.....people arent angry enough. It's becoming normal. Its fucking unacceptable.
Great post. I am angry. Just still in shock we could actually play that badly. Time to clean house.
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The fact that I just shrugged my shoulders today and moved on speaks volumes. Let's face it, we peaked in 2015 and its been a slow decline ever since. Unfortunately that culture of excellence, awareness and learning has been lost.
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@BerniesCorner said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
Commit DMac to 10 for this year
With respect, he's had plenty of chances too and hasn't done the job. So he's not good enough, BB is completely passed it, and the alleged prodigal son RM is flakey as f. Is there seriously not a single 10 in NZ who can kick the shit out of the ball and distribute? I'd take a poor man's Grant Fox at this stage.
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@Rancid-Schnitzel I agree we are nowhere near where we were in 2015 for all sort of structural reasons but we should still doing a damn sight better than the slop that was served up yesterday.
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@Rancid-Schnitzel said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
The fact that I just shrugged my shoulders today and moved on speaks volumes. Let's face it, we peaked in 2015 and it’s been a slow decline ever since. Unfortunately that culture of excellence, awareness and learning has been lost.
Is that a sign of the change in society too, e.g. the players being developed are not of the calibre or dedication to high standards that previous vintages were?
I can’t speak for NZ society, but attitudes have changed up in the UK, and it hasn’t been for the better. Excellence, awareness and learning are not at the forefront of people’s minds.
In SA, they are a little more old school in how they develop kids. The shift there has been in integrating the disenfranchised black community, without sacrificing what made Bok rugby strong. You can argue how good the Boks are, but you can’t fault the fact that they now have great pathways and a conveyor belt of talent that has been massively increased.
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@sparky said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
@Rancid-Schnitzel I agree we are nowhere near where we were in 2015 for all sort of structural reasons but we should still doing a damn sight better than the slop that was served up yesterday.
The player led environment that Henry fostered only worked when you had leaders to drive it. If the leaders aren’t there in NZ rugby to create the right environment, it is up to the coaches to take that responsibility back to create it. But will the players accept that? Is that where there is friction maybe, e.g. players have been over empowered based on what has gone before rather than what they are now capable of?
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What the hell is up with Jordan's aerial skills? He was absolute rubbish under the high ball last night as were most tbh.
The all need lessons in how to receive a high ball, and how to catch, draw and pass. That was utter shite. Reece should go, Rieko JB went misssing.
Holland has gone from looking like the dogs to being dogshite, SB was invisible and the balance in our loose trio was non existent. Ardie was ok going forward, but our all round defence was dire. Give yourselves an upoercut you numpties, the jersey deserves way better. -
@Jet said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
@jimmyb said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
@Jet said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
Did Vaaii get binned?
Yes
jaysis. the feed im watching on had ref mic but no pictures.
Berry is some gimp.
I've replayed this twice. Vaa'i has both arms around Montoya. Berry needed to check that, because can't see any sign of Vaa'i batting the ball forward.
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@cgrant said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
If changes have to be made against the Springboks, then the whole back three should be completely reshuffled. Clarke (if fit) and Jordan on the wings, with Ruben Love at fullback as he is impressive at catching high balls, thanks to the perfect timing of his jump.
100%.
Love is good under the high ball, he's not big but his timing and coordination are pretty good. Recall.he kicked and regathered his own up and under in France 3, so that's another element cos the kicking in general this year has been woeful. Most of the time it's just giving away possession.
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@Rancid-Schnitzel said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
@BerniesCorner said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
Commit DMac to 10 for this year
With respect, he's had plenty of chances too and hasn't done the job. So he's not good enough, BB is completely passed it, and the alleged prodigal son RM is flakey as f. Is there seriously not a single 10 in NZ who can kick the shit out of the ball and distribute? I'd take a poor man's Grant Fox at this stage.
They had one. And let Plummer leave before he was even given the chance to try out for the position
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According by to American Rugby News. Jordie Barrett missed 5 tackles, Tupou Vaii missed 4 tackles, Scott Barrett conceded 5 turnovers.
Argentina Knock-Over World No. 1 New Zealand in Rugby Championship - Americas Rugby News
Argentina knocked-over the World No 1 New Zealand in a Rugby Championship match on Saturday. The 29-23 victory in Buenos Aires saw history made as Los Pumas claimed their first ever home victory over the All Blacks. It was Argentina’s fourth win against New Zealand while, in terms of the 2025 Rugby...
In my best Sean Connery voice. "Shocking, positively shocking."
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@stodders said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
@sparky said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
@Rancid-Schnitzel I agree we are nowhere near where we were in 2015 for all sort of structural reasons but we should still doing a damn sight better than the slop that was served up yesterday.
The player led environment that Henry fostered only worked when you had leaders to drive it. If the leaders aren’t there in NZ rugby to create the right environment, it is up to the coaches to take that responsibility back to create it. But will the players accept that? Is that where there is friction maybe, e.g. players have been over empowered based on what has gone before rather than what they are now capable of?
Remember Messam and McCaw were at training in the dying embers of Fosters tenure?
Next game it was all black boots and a good performance.
Who from this squad would you call in to oversee training in say 2030?
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@canefan said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
@Rancid-Schnitzel said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
@BerniesCorner said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
Commit DMac to 10 for this year
With respect, he's had plenty of chances too and hasn't done the job. So he's not good enough, BB is completely passed it, and the alleged prodigal son RM is flakey as f. Is there seriously not a single 10 in NZ who can kick the shit out of the ball and distribute? I'd take a poor man's Grant Fox at this stage.
They had one. And let Plummer leave before he was even given the chance to try out for the position
Beauden Barrett is like going to watch Paul McCartney in concert.
The halcyon days are over, we remember them being fun, but he cant hit the high notes any more.
Jonny Sexton could run the cutter as a geriatric as he knew exactly what he was doing for the next 5 or 6 phases. He coached the team around the park at walking pace and was into the ref and opposition for everything.
Beaudy gets the ball and his brain is like
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Remember in one of the French tests Beaudy was in the bin and Jordie ran the cutter for 10 minutes.
We looked good and I think outscored the French in that period?Similarly yesterday we actually looked alrite when down to 13!
When these players revert to damage limitation, rugby by numbers mode, they are not too bad.
Left to their own devices with a blank canvas they are a bunch of headbangers.
Jordie's left footed chip kick yesterday an example. Just tuck and truck mate. Recycle. Live to fight another day.
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@pakman said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
@Jet said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
@jimmyb said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
@Jet said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
Did Vaaii get binned?
Yes
jaysis. the feed im watching on had ref mic but no pictures.
Berry is some gimp.
I've replayed this twice. Vaa'i has both arms around Montoya. Berry needed to check that, because can't see any sign of Vaa'i batting the ball forward.
There was no other angle but it just seems like a regulation tackle
I have looked at it again and he wraps his arms in the tackle. I have seen it many times and I cant see an attempted pass by Matera.
Its baffling tbh
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@Bones said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
@Jet said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
Fast blokes on the wings sounds elementary to me.
Sivivatu got 46 caps.
Rico Gear got 20.
Hosea Gear got 15.
Milner Skudder got 13.No
I composed that post poorly. I wasnt implying NMS was fast, just that wingers were quite disposable historically.
Once the pixie dust is used up, get them gone.
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Id honestly pay McCaw, Thorn, Kaino and Nonu to just come to training and stand there watching.
Dont say anything. Just stand there.
Let the current rabble know how much of a fucking embarrassment they are.
Let them see the faces of some of the blokes who bled for the shirt.Playing for or captaining the Allblacks is a privilege not a right.
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@Jet said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
@Bones said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
@Jet said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
Fast blokes on the wings sounds elementary to me.
Sivivatu got 46 caps.
Rico Gear got 20.
Hosea Gear got 15.
Milner Skudder got 13.No
I composed that post poorly. I wasnt implying NMS was fast, just that wingers were quite disposable historically.
Once the pixie dust is used up, get them gone.
Like Kurt Cobain, it's all over at 27
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@nostrildamus said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
19-13 Argentina
At this point, BB missed a sitter. Stupid penalty for closing inside 10 at lineout on OUR ball, and marginal shortcut by Jordan at passive ruck on halfway.
Pumas six points for nothing pens and we miss three for bad one right in front.
At 55 Pumas should never have been in front.
