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All Blacks v Argentina II

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  • B brodean

    @Chris said in All Blacks v Argentina II:

    @canefan said in All Blacks v Argentina II:

    @Chris said in All Blacks v Argentina II:

    @canefan said in All Blacks v Argentina II:

    Can anyone remember how Razor's Crusaders teams played? My recollection was they did the basics well. But I could be wrong

    Strong set piece, good kicking game and put a lot of phases together to exert pressure on the oppositions defence.

    That's what I thought. That's what I based my hope for Razor on. So what is this shit we're being served up then???

    The one different piece of the coaching puzzle is Wayne Smith this really is a fingerprint of Smiths helter skelter run at all costs game, as it was mentioned above the Black Ferns used this pattern as soon as Smith came on board.
    I can only think he is the person setting this way of playing.
    As it makes no sense Razor,Hansen especially had a completely different way of playing for 7 years at the Crusaders.

    Razor and Hansen are culpable. You can't make Smith a scape goat. He's only an occasional mentor.

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    Chris
    wrote on last edited by Chris
    #1140

    @brodean said in All Blacks v Argentina II:

    @Chris said in All Blacks v Argentina II:

    @canefan said in All Blacks v Argentina II:

    @Chris said in All Blacks v Argentina II:

    @canefan said in All Blacks v Argentina II:

    Can anyone remember how Razor's Crusaders teams played? My recollection was they did the basics well. But I could be wrong

    Strong set piece, good kicking game and put a lot of phases together to exert pressure on the oppositions defence.

    That's what I thought. That's what I based my hope for Razor on. So what is this shit we're being served up then???

    The one different piece of the coaching puzzle is Wayne Smith this really is a fingerprint of Smiths helter skelter run at all costs game, as it was mentioned above the Black Ferns used this pattern as soon as Smith came on board.
    I can only think he is the person setting this way of playing.
    As it makes no sense Razor,Hansen especially had a completely different way of playing for 7 years at the Crusaders.

    Razor and Hansen are culpable. You can't make Smith a scape goat. He's only an occasional mentor.

    Who said I am making him a scapegoat but why change a game plan that worked for 7 years and won 7 titles to a game plan similar to what the Black ferns and other teams have used under Smith, seems to point to something changing.
    He is a mentor they talk to every week more than once I know that for a fact.
    just adding to that yes Razors head is on the line he needs to make his own decisions if things are not working.
    But I answered a question on why tactics have changed since the Crusaders.

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    • ChrisC Chris

      @brodean said in All Blacks v Argentina II:

      @Chris said in All Blacks v Argentina II:

      @canefan said in All Blacks v Argentina II:

      @Chris said in All Blacks v Argentina II:

      @canefan said in All Blacks v Argentina II:

      Can anyone remember how Razor's Crusaders teams played? My recollection was they did the basics well. But I could be wrong

      Strong set piece, good kicking game and put a lot of phases together to exert pressure on the oppositions defence.

      That's what I thought. That's what I based my hope for Razor on. So what is this shit we're being served up then???

      The one different piece of the coaching puzzle is Wayne Smith this really is a fingerprint of Smiths helter skelter run at all costs game, as it was mentioned above the Black Ferns used this pattern as soon as Smith came on board.
      I can only think he is the person setting this way of playing.
      As it makes no sense Razor,Hansen especially had a completely different way of playing for 7 years at the Crusaders.

      Razor and Hansen are culpable. You can't make Smith a scape goat. He's only an occasional mentor.

      Who said I am making him a scapegoat but why change a game plan that worked for 7 years and won 7 titles to a game plan similar to what the Black ferns and other teams have used under Smith, seems to point to something changing.
      He is a mentor they talk to every week more than once I know that for a fact.
      just adding to that yes Razors head is on the line he needs to make his own decisions if things are not working.
      But I answered a question on why tactics have changed since the Crusaders.

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      wrote on last edited by
      #1141

      @Chris said in All Blacks v Argentina II:

      @brodean said in All Blacks v Argentina II:

      @Chris said in All Blacks v Argentina II:

      @canefan said in All Blacks v Argentina II:

      @Chris said in All Blacks v Argentina II:

      @canefan said in All Blacks v Argentina II:

      Can anyone remember how Razor's Crusaders teams played? My recollection was they did the basics well. But I could be wrong

      Strong set piece, good kicking game and put a lot of phases together to exert pressure on the oppositions defence.

      That's what I thought. That's what I based my hope for Razor on. So what is this shit we're being served up then???

      The one different piece of the coaching puzzle is Wayne Smith this really is a fingerprint of Smiths helter skelter run at all costs game, as it was mentioned above the Black Ferns used this pattern as soon as Smith came on board.
      I can only think he is the person setting this way of playing.
      As it makes no sense Razor,Hansen especially had a completely different way of playing for 7 years at the Crusaders.

      Razor and Hansen are culpable. You can't make Smith a scape goat. He's only an occasional mentor.

      Who said I am making him a scapegoat but why change a game plan that worked for 7 years and won 7 titles to a game plan similar to what the Black ferns and other teams have used under Smith, seems to point to something changing.
      He is a mentor they talk to every week more than once I know that for a fact.

      You continue to try and make Smith a scape goat with this comment.

      Robertson and co are middle aged men with decades of coaching experience.

      They can choose to take and leave whatever advice Smith gives them but the buck stops with them and ultimately Robertson is 100% responsible for the outcomes as head coach.

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      • B brodean

        @Chris said in All Blacks v Argentina II:

        @brodean said in All Blacks v Argentina II:

        @Chris said in All Blacks v Argentina II:

        @canefan said in All Blacks v Argentina II:

        @Chris said in All Blacks v Argentina II:

        @canefan said in All Blacks v Argentina II:

        Can anyone remember how Razor's Crusaders teams played? My recollection was they did the basics well. But I could be wrong

        Strong set piece, good kicking game and put a lot of phases together to exert pressure on the oppositions defence.

        That's what I thought. That's what I based my hope for Razor on. So what is this shit we're being served up then???

        The one different piece of the coaching puzzle is Wayne Smith this really is a fingerprint of Smiths helter skelter run at all costs game, as it was mentioned above the Black Ferns used this pattern as soon as Smith came on board.
        I can only think he is the person setting this way of playing.
        As it makes no sense Razor,Hansen especially had a completely different way of playing for 7 years at the Crusaders.

        Razor and Hansen are culpable. You can't make Smith a scape goat. He's only an occasional mentor.

        Who said I am making him a scapegoat but why change a game plan that worked for 7 years and won 7 titles to a game plan similar to what the Black ferns and other teams have used under Smith, seems to point to something changing.
        He is a mentor they talk to every week more than once I know that for a fact.

        You continue to try and make Smith a scape goat with this comment.

        Robertson and co are middle aged men with decades of coaching experience.

        They can choose to take and leave whatever advice Smith gives them but the buck stops with them and ultimately Robertson is 100% responsible for the outcomes as head coach.

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        #1142

        @brodean said in All Blacks v Argentina II:

        @Chris said in All Blacks v Argentina II:

        @brodean said in All Blacks v Argentina II:

        @Chris said in All Blacks v Argentina II:

        @canefan said in All Blacks v Argentina II:

        @Chris said in All Blacks v Argentina II:

        @canefan said in All Blacks v Argentina II:

        Can anyone remember how Razor's Crusaders teams played? My recollection was they did the basics well. But I could be wrong

        Strong set piece, good kicking game and put a lot of phases together to exert pressure on the oppositions defence.

        That's what I thought. That's what I based my hope for Razor on. So what is this shit we're being served up then???

        The one different piece of the coaching puzzle is Wayne Smith this really is a fingerprint of Smiths helter skelter run at all costs game, as it was mentioned above the Black Ferns used this pattern as soon as Smith came on board.
        I can only think he is the person setting this way of playing.
        As it makes no sense Razor,Hansen especially had a completely different way of playing for 7 years at the Crusaders.

        Razor and Hansen are culpable. You can't make Smith a scape goat. He's only an occasional mentor.

        Who said I am making him a scapegoat but why change a game plan that worked for 7 years and won 7 titles to a game plan similar to what the Black ferns and other teams have used under Smith, seems to point to something changing.
        He is a mentor they talk to every week more than once I know that for a fact.

        You continue to try and make Smith a scape goat with this comment.

        Robertson and co are middle aged men with decades of coaching experience.

        They can choose to take and leave whatever advice Smith gives them but the buck stops with them and ultimately Robertson is 100% responsible for the outcomes as head coach.

        No I am stating a fact its there for you to see why things may have changed since the Crusaders.
        And I did state Razor needs to be responsible for his decisions
        You are just picking out a true statement and bleating about it.

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          #1143

          Stat watch from a mate - from WIkipedia, may or may not be fully accurate.

          The last two years of Foster in the rugby championship: 9 games, 4 yellows (rest of league 32).
          Current coaching: 8 games 12 yellows, (rest of league 14 cards)

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          • ChrisC Chris

            @canefan said in All Blacks v Argentina II:

            @Chris said in All Blacks v Argentina II:

            @canefan said in All Blacks v Argentina II:

            Can anyone remember how Razor's Crusaders teams played? My recollection was they did the basics well. But I could be wrong

            Strong set piece, good kicking game and put a lot of phases together to exert pressure on the oppositions defence.

            That's what I thought. That's what I based my hope for Razor on. So what is this shit we're being served up then???

            The one different piece of the coaching puzzle is Wayne Smith this really is a fingerprint of Smiths helter skelter run at all costs game, as it was mentioned above the Black Ferns used this pattern as soon as Smith came on board.
            I can only think he is the person setting this way of playing.
            As it makes no sense Razor,Hansen especially had a completely different way of playing for 7 years at the Crusaders.

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            #1144

            @Chris said in All Blacks v Argentina II:

            I can only think he is the person setting this way of playing.

            This is what you said that's probably not exactly what you intended. It reads like you are sheeting home responsibility to Smith.

            No doubt Wayne may be pushing for a fast brand of rugby, but he should not be setting the direction of the team.
            That must come from Razor and his assistants.

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            • No QuarterN Online
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              No Quarter
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              #1145

              We're making assumptions but if Smith is having that much influence over Razor, then it really points to Razor's lack of international experience. If he had built up some more experience before taking on the AB coaching role, he would probably trust his own judgement more rather than relying so much on Smith who does have that experience.

              I remember saying that I would prefer Schmidt over Razor when they were appointing him, and got quite a bit of push back from people saying Schmidt's international record wasn't always that flash. But that's kind of exactly why he was well suited for the job - he had that international experience and grown from it. Razor is out of his depth at the moment and starting to drown.

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              • canefanC canefan

                Nothing worse than the people in charge apparently having no idea what the problem is. Perhaps we should be quietly sounding out Schmidt, Joseph and Brown for the post-apocolyptic period after 2027?

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                #1146

                @canefan said in All Blacks v Argentina II:

                Nothing worse than the people in charge apparently having no idea what the problem is. Perhaps we should be quietly sounding out Schmidt, Joseph and Brown for the post-apocolyptic period after 2027?

                That's a great-sounding team, but don't know if all three would be keen.

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                • ChrisC Chris

                  @canefan said in All Blacks v Argentina II:

                  @Chris said in All Blacks v Argentina II:

                  @canefan said in All Blacks v Argentina II:

                  Can anyone remember how Razor's Crusaders teams played? My recollection was they did the basics well. But I could be wrong

                  Strong set piece, good kicking game and put a lot of phases together to exert pressure on the oppositions defence.

                  That's what I thought. That's what I based my hope for Razor on. So what is this shit we're being served up then???

                  The one different piece of the coaching puzzle is Wayne Smith this really is a fingerprint of Smiths helter skelter run at all costs game, as it was mentioned above the Black Ferns used this pattern as soon as Smith came on board.
                  I can only think he is the person setting this way of playing.
                  As it makes no sense Razor,Hansen especially had a completely different way of playing for 7 years at the Crusaders.

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                  nostrildamus
                  wrote on last edited by nostrildamus
                  #1147

                  @Chris said in All Blacks v Argentina II:

                  @canefan said in All Blacks v Argentina II:

                  @Chris said in All Blacks v Argentina II:

                  @canefan said in All Blacks v Argentina II:

                  Can anyone remember how Razor's Crusaders teams played? My recollection was they did the basics well. But I could be wrong

                  Strong set piece, good kicking game and put a lot of phases together to exert pressure on the oppositions defence.

                  That's what I thought. That's what I based my hope for Razor on. So what is this shit we're being served up then???

                  The one different piece of the coaching puzzle is Wayne Smith this really is a fingerprint of Smiths helter skelter run at all costs game, as it was mentioned above the Black Ferns used this pattern as soon as Smith came on board.
                  I can only think he is the person setting this way of playing.
                  As it makes no sense Razor,Hansen especially had a completely different way of playing for 7 years at the Crusaders.

                  I could be wrong but I thought I read that Smith acknowledged they couldn't match the grunt of the English forwards so he focussed the Black Ferns on their key strength-running rugby. It was a strategic decision...

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                  • nzzpN nzzp

                    Stat watch from a mate - from WIkipedia, may or may not be fully accurate.

                    The last two years of Foster in the rugby championship: 9 games, 4 yellows (rest of league 32).
                    Current coaching: 8 games 12 yellows, (rest of league 14 cards)

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                    #1148

                    @nzzp said in All Blacks v Argentina II:

                    Stat watch from a mate - from WIkipedia, may or may not be fully accurate.

                    The last two years of Foster in the rugby championship: 9 games, 4 yellows (rest of league 32).
                    Current coaching: 8 games 12 yellows, (rest of league 14 cards)

                    Wow.

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                    • canefanC canefan

                      @Chris said in All Blacks v Argentina II:

                      @canefan said in All Blacks v Argentina II:

                      Can anyone remember how Razor's Crusaders teams played? My recollection was they did the basics well. But I could be wrong

                      Strong set piece, good kicking game and put a lot of phases together to exert pressure on the oppositions defence.

                      That's what I thought. That's what I based my hope for Razor on. So what is this shit we're being served up then???

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                      #1149

                      @canefan said in All Blacks v Argentina II:

                      @Chris said in All Blacks v Argentina II:

                      @canefan said in All Blacks v Argentina II:

                      Can anyone remember how Razor's Crusaders teams played? My recollection was they did the basics well. But I could be wrong

                      Strong set piece, good kicking game and put a lot of phases together to exert pressure on the oppositions defence.

                      That's what I thought. That's what I based my hope for Razor on. So what is this shit we're being served up then???

                      As old mate @ACT-Crusader would say, there are clearly not enough Crusaders in this side

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                      • voodooV voodoo

                        @canefan said in All Blacks v Argentina II:

                        @Chris said in All Blacks v Argentina II:

                        @canefan said in All Blacks v Argentina II:

                        Can anyone remember how Razor's Crusaders teams played? My recollection was they did the basics well. But I could be wrong

                        Strong set piece, good kicking game and put a lot of phases together to exert pressure on the oppositions defence.

                        That's what I thought. That's what I based my hope for Razor on. So what is this shit we're being served up then???

                        As old mate @ACT-Crusader would say, there are clearly not enough Crusaders in this side

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                        #1150

                        @voodoo said in All Blacks v Argentina II:

                        As old mate @ACT-Crusader would say, there are clearly not enough Crusaders in this side

                        But clearly too many in the coaching ranks!

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                        • ChrisC Chris

                          @brodean said in All Blacks v Argentina II:

                          @Chris said in All Blacks v Argentina II:

                          @canefan said in All Blacks v Argentina II:

                          @Chris said in All Blacks v Argentina II:

                          @canefan said in All Blacks v Argentina II:

                          Can anyone remember how Razor's Crusaders teams played? My recollection was they did the basics well. But I could be wrong

                          Strong set piece, good kicking game and put a lot of phases together to exert pressure on the oppositions defence.

                          That's what I thought. That's what I based my hope for Razor on. So what is this shit we're being served up then???

                          The one different piece of the coaching puzzle is Wayne Smith this really is a fingerprint of Smiths helter skelter run at all costs game, as it was mentioned above the Black Ferns used this pattern as soon as Smith came on board.
                          I can only think he is the person setting this way of playing.
                          As it makes no sense Razor,Hansen especially had a completely different way of playing for 7 years at the Crusaders.

                          Razor and Hansen are culpable. You can't make Smith a scape goat. He's only an occasional mentor.

                          Who said I am making him a scapegoat but why change a game plan that worked for 7 years and won 7 titles to a game plan similar to what the Black ferns and other teams have used under Smith, seems to point to something changing.
                          He is a mentor they talk to every week more than once I know that for a fact.
                          just adding to that yes Razors head is on the line he needs to make his own decisions if things are not working.
                          But I answered a question on why tactics have changed since the Crusaders.

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                          wrote on last edited by canefan
                          #1151

                          @Chris said in All Blacks v Argentina II:

                          @brodean said in All Blacks v Argentina II:

                          @Chris said in All Blacks v Argentina II:

                          @canefan said in All Blacks v Argentina II:

                          @Chris said in All Blacks v Argentina II:

                          @canefan said in All Blacks v Argentina II:

                          Can anyone remember how Razor's Crusaders teams played? My recollection was they did the basics well. But I could be wrong

                          Strong set piece, good kicking game and put a lot of phases together to exert pressure on the oppositions defence.

                          That's what I thought. That's what I based my hope for Razor on. So what is this shit we're being served up then???

                          The one different piece of the coaching puzzle is Wayne Smith this really is a fingerprint of Smiths helter skelter run at all costs game, as it was mentioned above the Black Ferns used this pattern as soon as Smith came on board.
                          I can only think he is the person setting this way of playing.
                          As it makes no sense Razor,Hansen especially had a completely different way of playing for 7 years at the Crusaders.

                          Razor and Hansen are culpable. You can't make Smith a scape goat. He's only an occasional mentor.

                          Who said I am making him a scapegoat but why change a game plan that worked for 7 years and won 7 titles to a game plan similar to what the Black ferns and other teams have used under Smith, seems to point to something changing.
                          He is a mentor they talk to every week more than once I know that for a fact.
                          just adding to that yes Razors head is on the line he needs to make his own decisions if things are not working.
                          But I answered a question on why tactics have changed since the Crusaders.

                          I'd love to know the answer to this question. The way we are playing is very un-Canty and Saders-like. And that way is much more suited to test footy. Razor has to get back to his roots

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                          • canefanC canefan

                            @Chris said in All Blacks v Argentina II:

                            @brodean said in All Blacks v Argentina II:

                            @Chris said in All Blacks v Argentina II:

                            @canefan said in All Blacks v Argentina II:

                            @Chris said in All Blacks v Argentina II:

                            @canefan said in All Blacks v Argentina II:

                            Can anyone remember how Razor's Crusaders teams played? My recollection was they did the basics well. But I could be wrong

                            Strong set piece, good kicking game and put a lot of phases together to exert pressure on the oppositions defence.

                            That's what I thought. That's what I based my hope for Razor on. So what is this shit we're being served up then???

                            The one different piece of the coaching puzzle is Wayne Smith this really is a fingerprint of Smiths helter skelter run at all costs game, as it was mentioned above the Black Ferns used this pattern as soon as Smith came on board.
                            I can only think he is the person setting this way of playing.
                            As it makes no sense Razor,Hansen especially had a completely different way of playing for 7 years at the Crusaders.

                            Razor and Hansen are culpable. You can't make Smith a scape goat. He's only an occasional mentor.

                            Who said I am making him a scapegoat but why change a game plan that worked for 7 years and won 7 titles to a game plan similar to what the Black ferns and other teams have used under Smith, seems to point to something changing.
                            He is a mentor they talk to every week more than once I know that for a fact.
                            just adding to that yes Razors head is on the line he needs to make his own decisions if things are not working.
                            But I answered a question on why tactics have changed since the Crusaders.

                            I'd love to know the answer to this question. The way we are playing is very un-Canty and Saders-like. And that way is much more suited to test footy. Razor has to get back to his roots

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                            @canefan said in All Blacks v Argentina II:

                            The way we are playing is very un-Canty and Saders-like. And that way is much more suited to test footy.

                            That's what is baffling.

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                            • nzzpN nzzp

                              @Chris said in All Blacks v Argentina II:

                              I can only think he is the person setting this way of playing.

                              This is what you said that's probably not exactly what you intended. It reads like you are sheeting home responsibility to Smith.

                              No doubt Wayne may be pushing for a fast brand of rugby, but he should not be setting the direction of the team.
                              That must come from Razor and his assistants.

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                              Chris
                              wrote on last edited by
                              #1153

                              @nzzp said in All Blacks v Argentina II:

                              @Chris said in All Blacks v Argentina II:

                              I can only think he is the person setting this way of playing.

                              This is what you said that's probably not exactly what you intended. It reads like you are sheeting home responsibility to Smith.

                              No doubt Wayne may be pushing for a fast brand of rugby, but he should not be setting the direction of the team.
                              That must come from Razor and his assistants.

                              I don't disagree as I said it is on Razor and his coaching staff, but there has been a change in tactic since Crusaders days is what I am pointing out.

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                                #1154

                                Crotty in to coach the backline.

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                                • canefanC canefan

                                  @Chris said in All Blacks v Argentina II:

                                  @brodean said in All Blacks v Argentina II:

                                  @Chris said in All Blacks v Argentina II:

                                  @canefan said in All Blacks v Argentina II:

                                  @Chris said in All Blacks v Argentina II:

                                  @canefan said in All Blacks v Argentina II:

                                  Can anyone remember how Razor's Crusaders teams played? My recollection was they did the basics well. But I could be wrong

                                  Strong set piece, good kicking game and put a lot of phases together to exert pressure on the oppositions defence.

                                  That's what I thought. That's what I based my hope for Razor on. So what is this shit we're being served up then???

                                  The one different piece of the coaching puzzle is Wayne Smith this really is a fingerprint of Smiths helter skelter run at all costs game, as it was mentioned above the Black Ferns used this pattern as soon as Smith came on board.
                                  I can only think he is the person setting this way of playing.
                                  As it makes no sense Razor,Hansen especially had a completely different way of playing for 7 years at the Crusaders.

                                  Razor and Hansen are culpable. You can't make Smith a scape goat. He's only an occasional mentor.

                                  Who said I am making him a scapegoat but why change a game plan that worked for 7 years and won 7 titles to a game plan similar to what the Black ferns and other teams have used under Smith, seems to point to something changing.
                                  He is a mentor they talk to every week more than once I know that for a fact.
                                  just adding to that yes Razors head is on the line he needs to make his own decisions if things are not working.
                                  But I answered a question on why tactics have changed since the Crusaders.

                                  I'd love to know the answer to this question. The way we are playing is very un-Canty and Saders-like. And that way is much more suited to test footy. Razor has to get back to his roots

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                                  Chris
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                                  #1155

                                  @canefan said in All Blacks v Argentina II:

                                  @Chris said in All Blacks v Argentina II:

                                  @brodean said in All Blacks v Argentina II:

                                  @Chris said in All Blacks v Argentina II:

                                  @canefan said in All Blacks v Argentina II:

                                  @Chris said in All Blacks v Argentina II:

                                  @canefan said in All Blacks v Argentina II:

                                  Can anyone remember how Razor's Crusaders teams played? My recollection was they did the basics well. But I could be wrong

                                  Strong set piece, good kicking game and put a lot of phases together to exert pressure on the oppositions defence.

                                  That's what I thought. That's what I based my hope for Razor on. So what is this shit we're being served up then???

                                  The one different piece of the coaching puzzle is Wayne Smith this really is a fingerprint of Smiths helter skelter run at all costs game, as it was mentioned above the Black Ferns used this pattern as soon as Smith came on board.
                                  I can only think he is the person setting this way of playing.
                                  As it makes no sense Razor,Hansen especially had a completely different way of playing for 7 years at the Crusaders.

                                  Razor and Hansen are culpable. You can't make Smith a scape goat. He's only an occasional mentor.

                                  Who said I am making him a scapegoat but why change a game plan that worked for 7 years and won 7 titles to a game plan similar to what the Black ferns and other teams have used under Smith, seems to point to something changing.
                                  He is a mentor they talk to every week more than once I know that for a fact.
                                  just adding to that yes Razors head is on the line he needs to make his own decisions if things are not working.
                                  But I answered a question on why tactics have changed since the Crusaders.

                                  I'd love to know the answer to this question. The way we are playing is very un-Canty and Saders-like. And that way is much more suited to test footy. Razor has to get back to his roots

                                  That is why I am saying there has been a massive shift away from the success of 7 years playing a test match type game.
                                  Something has changed their thinking I am pointing out One reason maybe why.
                                  And I will state it again that is on Razor wether he wants to do it or not.

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                                    @canefan said in All Blacks v Argentina II:

                                    @Chris said in All Blacks v Argentina II:

                                    @brodean said in All Blacks v Argentina II:

                                    @Chris said in All Blacks v Argentina II:

                                    @canefan said in All Blacks v Argentina II:

                                    @Chris said in All Blacks v Argentina II:

                                    @canefan said in All Blacks v Argentina II:

                                    Can anyone remember how Razor's Crusaders teams played? My recollection was they did the basics well. But I could be wrong

                                    Strong set piece, good kicking game and put a lot of phases together to exert pressure on the oppositions defence.

                                    That's what I thought. That's what I based my hope for Razor on. So what is this shit we're being served up then???

                                    The one different piece of the coaching puzzle is Wayne Smith this really is a fingerprint of Smiths helter skelter run at all costs game, as it was mentioned above the Black Ferns used this pattern as soon as Smith came on board.
                                    I can only think he is the person setting this way of playing.
                                    As it makes no sense Razor,Hansen especially had a completely different way of playing for 7 years at the Crusaders.

                                    Razor and Hansen are culpable. You can't make Smith a scape goat. He's only an occasional mentor.

                                    Who said I am making him a scapegoat but why change a game plan that worked for 7 years and won 7 titles to a game plan similar to what the Black ferns and other teams have used under Smith, seems to point to something changing.
                                    He is a mentor they talk to every week more than once I know that for a fact.
                                    just adding to that yes Razors head is on the line he needs to make his own decisions if things are not working.
                                    But I answered a question on why tactics have changed since the Crusaders.

                                    I'd love to know the answer to this question. The way we are playing is very un-Canty and Saders-like. And that way is much more suited to test footy. Razor has to get back to his roots

                                    That is why I am saying there has been a massive shift away from the success of 7 years playing a test match type game.
                                    Something has changed their thinking I am pointing out One reason maybe why.
                                    And I will state it again that is on Razor wether he wants to do it or not.

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                                    @Chris said in All Blacks v Argentina II:

                                    @canefan said in All Blacks v Argentina II:

                                    @Chris said in All Blacks v Argentina II:

                                    @brodean said in All Blacks v Argentina II:

                                    @Chris said in All Blacks v Argentina II:

                                    @canefan said in All Blacks v Argentina II:

                                    @Chris said in All Blacks v Argentina II:

                                    @canefan said in All Blacks v Argentina II:

                                    Can anyone remember how Razor's Crusaders teams played? My recollection was they did the basics well. But I could be wrong

                                    Strong set piece, good kicking game and put a lot of phases together to exert pressure on the oppositions defence.

                                    That's what I thought. That's what I based my hope for Razor on. So what is this shit we're being served up then???

                                    The one different piece of the coaching puzzle is Wayne Smith this really is a fingerprint of Smiths helter skelter run at all costs game, as it was mentioned above the Black Ferns used this pattern as soon as Smith came on board.
                                    I can only think he is the person setting this way of playing.
                                    As it makes no sense Razor,Hansen especially had a completely different way of playing for 7 years at the Crusaders.

                                    Razor and Hansen are culpable. You can't make Smith a scape goat. He's only an occasional mentor.

                                    Who said I am making him a scapegoat but why change a game plan that worked for 7 years and won 7 titles to a game plan similar to what the Black ferns and other teams have used under Smith, seems to point to something changing.
                                    He is a mentor they talk to every week more than once I know that for a fact.
                                    just adding to that yes Razors head is on the line he needs to make his own decisions if things are not working.
                                    But I answered a question on why tactics have changed since the Crusaders.

                                    I'd love to know the answer to this question. The way we are playing is very un-Canty and Saders-like. And that way is much more suited to test footy. Razor has to get back to his roots

                                    That is why I am saying there has been a massive shift away from the success of 7 years playing a test match type game.
                                    Something has changed their thinking I am pointing out One reason maybe why.
                                    And I will state it again that is on Razor wether he wants to do it or not.

                                    I'm with you there. Even if he was taking advice from Smith, Razor is the boss so the buck stops with him

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                                      Whilst Wayne Smith is an excellent coach - he is effectively the guy that set up the entire Crusaders system in the first place.

                                      Obviously he's gone on to do a million other things in coaching but there is also the concern that it's still another voice coming from what Razor already knows - the Crusaders

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                                        Crotty in to coach the backline.

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                                        @nostrildamus said in All Blacks v Argentina II:

                                        Crotty in to coach the backline.

                                        And Ben Smith

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                                        • KiwiMurphK KiwiMurph

                                          Whilst Wayne Smith is an excellent coach - he is effectively the guy that set up the entire Crusaders system in the first place.

                                          Obviously he's gone on to do a million other things in coaching but there is also the concern that it's still another voice coming from what Razor already knows - the Crusaders

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                                          @KiwiMurph said in All Blacks v Argentina II:

                                          Whilst Wayne Smith is an excellent coach - he is effectively the guy that set up the entire Crusaders system in the first place.

                                          Obviously he's gone on to do a million other things in coaching but there is also the concern that it's still another voice coming from what Razor already knows - the Crusaders

                                          But we aren't playing like the Saders. That is the weird thing

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