All Blacks 2025
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@Bovidae said in All Blacks 2025:
I thought that Williams was going back to Northland? Obviously not.
He has signed with Canterbury until 2029 as well as the Crusaders.So as you say Obviously not.
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@nzzp said in All Blacks 2025:
@Unite said in All Blacks 2025:
@Bovidae said in All Blacks 2025:
ANALYSIS: Scott Robertson oversaw his fifth loss since taking charge of the All Blacks on Sunday, as they went down 29-23 against Argentina in Buenos Aires. The defeat came in Robertson’s 19th match since replacing Ian Foster at the helm of New Zealand’s national men’s rugby team at the start of last year.
He has now overseen five losses faster than the last four men to be in the hot seat before him – Foster, Sir Steve Hansen, Sir Graham Henry and John Mitchell.Yes but as James Parsons said if we had kicked all our shots at goal the All Blacks would have won, so all is grand.
Either Jordie or Richie kick a penalty and we win the RWC2023. It matters. We don't value it.
It's why Carter was under rated if anything. Money in the bank.
Go and grab a beer, take a piss. 3 points in the bag by the time you come back.
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@No-Quarter said in All Blacks 2025:
@Chris-B said in All Blacks 2025:
@No-Quarter said in All Blacks 2025:
@Bovidae said in All Blacks 2025:
ANALYSIS: Scott Robertson oversaw his fifth loss since taking charge of the All Blacks on Sunday, as they went down 29-23 against Argentina in Buenos Aires. The defeat came in Robertson’s 19th match since replacing Ian Foster at the helm of New Zealand’s national men’s rugby team at the start of last year.
He has now overseen five losses faster than the last four men to be in the hot seat before him – Foster, Sir Steve Hansen, Sir Graham Henry and John Mitchell.The worst AB coach since Wayne Smith. And who is Razor's advisor? Wayne Smith. All starting to make sense now.
Really?
Who was the best coach since Wayne Smith?
Who was the second best coach since Wayne Smith?
Who was their advisor?
It wasn't Wayne Smith was it?
My comment was tongue in cheek
Can't really overstate how good Wayne Smith has been for NZR. That said, there is something in the fact both Smith and Razor have struggled to go straight from Super to test level.Ha - lucky I didn't really savage you.
I have trouble differentiating between tongue in cheek and total madness on the internet these days!
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@Jet said in All Blacks 2025:
@nzzp said in All Blacks 2025:
@Unite said in All Blacks 2025:
@Bovidae said in All Blacks 2025:
ANALYSIS: Scott Robertson oversaw his fifth loss since taking charge of the All Blacks on Sunday, as they went down 29-23 against Argentina in Buenos Aires. The defeat came in Robertson’s 19th match since replacing Ian Foster at the helm of New Zealand’s national men’s rugby team at the start of last year.
He has now overseen five losses faster than the last four men to be in the hot seat before him – Foster, Sir Steve Hansen, Sir Graham Henry and John Mitchell.Yes but as James Parsons said if we had kicked all our shots at goal the All Blacks would have won, so all is grand.
Either Jordie or Richie kick a penalty and we win the RWC2023. It matters. We don't value it.
It's why Carter was under rated if anything. Money in the bank.
Go and grab a beer, take a piss. 3 points in the bag by the time you come back.
I understand what you are hinting at here, but he really wasn't.
One of the very best things about his career is that everyone pretty much knew right away that he was a generational player and potentially the best ever. I consider myself incredibly lucky to have watched him and McCaw for so long.
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@gt12 said in All Blacks 2025:
@Jet said in All Blacks 2025:
@nzzp said in All Blacks 2025:
@Unite said in All Blacks 2025:
@Bovidae said in All Blacks 2025:
ANALYSIS: Scott Robertson oversaw his fifth loss since taking charge of the All Blacks on Sunday, as they went down 29-23 against Argentina in Buenos Aires. The defeat came in Robertson’s 19th match since replacing Ian Foster at the helm of New Zealand’s national men’s rugby team at the start of last year.
He has now overseen five losses faster than the last four men to be in the hot seat before him – Foster, Sir Steve Hansen, Sir Graham Henry and John Mitchell.Yes but as James Parsons said if we had kicked all our shots at goal the All Blacks would have won, so all is grand.
Either Jordie or Richie kick a penalty and we win the RWC2023. It matters. We don't value it.
It's why Carter was under rated if anything. Money in the bank.
Go and grab a beer, take a piss. 3 points in the bag by the time you come back.
I understand what you are hinting at here, but he really wasn't.
One of the very best things about his career is that everyone pretty much knew right away that he was a generational player and potentially the best ever. I consider myself incredibly lucky to have watched him and McCaw for so long.
Carter was never underrated. If anything Nonu was far more than him.
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@nzzp said in All Blacks 2025:
@Jet said in All Blacks 2025:
Money in the bank.
He had off days. Outsanding generally, but there were days he struggled with the boot.
I remember a game against the Bokke where he missed a lot ... even the best have off days.
Probably more likely going through technique issues,
I think the important part about Dan and other great kickers they dont choke in front of goal , he loved the big occasion
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@MN5 said in All Blacks 2025:
@gt12 said in All Blacks 2025:
@Jet said in All Blacks 2025:
@nzzp said in All Blacks 2025:
@Unite said in All Blacks 2025:
@Bovidae said in All Blacks 2025:
ANALYSIS: Scott Robertson oversaw his fifth loss since taking charge of the All Blacks on Sunday, as they went down 29-23 against Argentina in Buenos Aires. The defeat came in Robertson’s 19th match since replacing Ian Foster at the helm of New Zealand’s national men’s rugby team at the start of last year.
He has now overseen five losses faster than the last four men to be in the hot seat before him – Foster, Sir Steve Hansen, Sir Graham Henry and John Mitchell.Yes but as James Parsons said if we had kicked all our shots at goal the All Blacks would have won, so all is grand.
Either Jordie or Richie kick a penalty and we win the RWC2023. It matters. We don't value it.
It's why Carter was under rated if anything. Money in the bank.
Go and grab a beer, take a piss. 3 points in the bag by the time you come back.
I understand what you are hinting at here, but he really wasn't.
One of the very best things about his career is that everyone pretty much knew right away that he was a generational player and potentially the best ever. I consider myself incredibly lucky to have watched him and McCaw for so long.
Carter was never underrated. If anything Nonu was far more than him.
Nonu's arc from potentially wasted talent to best ever in his position is one of the great AB stories.
And he's still playing.
He's one of the few players I'd actually like to meet.
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@gt12 said in All Blacks 2025:
@MN5 said in All Blacks 2025:
@gt12 said in All Blacks 2025:
@Jet said in All Blacks 2025:
@nzzp said in All Blacks 2025:
@Unite said in All Blacks 2025:
@Bovidae said in All Blacks 2025:
ANALYSIS: Scott Robertson oversaw his fifth loss since taking charge of the All Blacks on Sunday, as they went down 29-23 against Argentina in Buenos Aires. The defeat came in Robertson’s 19th match since replacing Ian Foster at the helm of New Zealand’s national men’s rugby team at the start of last year.
He has now overseen five losses faster than the last four men to be in the hot seat before him – Foster, Sir Steve Hansen, Sir Graham Henry and John Mitchell.Yes but as James Parsons said if we had kicked all our shots at goal the All Blacks would have won, so all is grand.
Either Jordie or Richie kick a penalty and we win the RWC2023. It matters. We don't value it.
It's why Carter was under rated if anything. Money in the bank.
Go and grab a beer, take a piss. 3 points in the bag by the time you come back.
I understand what you are hinting at here, but he really wasn't.
One of the very best things about his career is that everyone pretty much knew right away that he was a generational player and potentially the best ever. I consider myself incredibly lucky to have watched him and McCaw for so long.
Carter was never underrated. If anything Nonu was far more than him.
Nonu's arc from potentially wasted talent to best ever in his position is one of the great AB stories.
And he's still playing.
He's one of the few players I'd actually like to meet.
Have done so briefly on a couple of occasions. Seems a very nice bloke
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Nonu was appreciated in his time. But I think his stature has grown exponentially over the last decade since his international retirement.
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@zedsdeadbaby said in All Blacks 2025:
Nonu was appreciated in his time. But I think his stature has grown exponentially over the last decade since his international retirement.
Carter’s stature has probably remained the sameThat’s what I mean. Everyone knew he got better and better but once he’d retired he did so as arguably the best 12 ever.
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@Unite said in All Blacks 2025:
@Bovidae said in All Blacks 2025:
ANALYSIS: Scott Robertson oversaw his fifth loss since taking charge of the All Blacks on Sunday, as they went down 29-23 against Argentina in Buenos Aires. The defeat came in Robertson’s 19th match since replacing Ian Foster at the helm of New Zealand’s national men’s rugby team at the start of last year.
He has now overseen five losses faster than the last four men to be in the hot seat before him – Foster, Sir Steve Hansen, Sir Graham Henry and John Mitchell.Yes but as James Parsons said if we had kicked all our shots at goal the All Blacks would have won, so all is grand.
I really hate comments like that - it's as if he thinks goal-kicking doesn't count. And comments like that really grate given we lost a World Cup final two years ago because we couldn't kick our goals.
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@junior said in All Blacks 2025:
@Unite said in All Blacks 2025:
@Bovidae said in All Blacks 2025:
ANALYSIS: Scott Robertson oversaw his fifth loss since taking charge of the All Blacks on Sunday, as they went down 29-23 against Argentina in Buenos Aires. The defeat came in Robertson’s 19th match since replacing Ian Foster at the helm of New Zealand’s national men’s rugby team at the start of last year.
He has now overseen five losses faster than the last four men to be in the hot seat before him – Foster, Sir Steve Hansen, Sir Graham Henry and John Mitchell.Yes but as James Parsons said if we had kicked all our shots at goal the All Blacks would have won, so all is grand.
I really hate comments like that - it's as if he thinks goal-kicking doesn't count. And comments like that really grate given we lost a World Cup final two years ago because we couldn't kick our goals.
What is undeniable is that, despite all our lamentations about the ABs, the Pumas only just got up.
BB kicks one conversion and Pumas late penalty correctly called as going outside left hand post and it was 26 - 22 when we get that last penalty.
ABs could easily have won that match, and without the mystery Vaa’i yellow almost certainly would have.
In other words the gloom and doom has been heavily overdone, which is JP’s point I think.
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@pakman said in All Blacks 2025:
@junior said in All Blacks 2025:
@Unite said in All Blacks 2025:
@Bovidae said in All Blacks 2025:
ANALYSIS: Scott Robertson oversaw his fifth loss since taking charge of the All Blacks on Sunday, as they went down 29-23 against Argentina in Buenos Aires. The defeat came in Robertson’s 19th match since replacing Ian Foster at the helm of New Zealand’s national men’s rugby team at the start of last year.
He has now overseen five losses faster than the last four men to be in the hot seat before him – Foster, Sir Steve Hansen, Sir Graham Henry and John Mitchell.Yes but as James Parsons said if we had kicked all our shots at goal the All Blacks would have won, so all is grand.
I really hate comments like that - it's as if he thinks goal-kicking doesn't count. And comments like that really grate given we lost a World Cup final two years ago because we couldn't kick our goals.
What is undeniable is that, despite all our lamentations about the ABs, the Pumas only just got up.
BB kicks one conversion and Pumas late penalty correctly called as going outside left hand post and it was 26 - 22 when we get that last penalty.
ABs could easily have won that match, and without the mystery Vaa’i yellow almost certainly would have.
In other words the gloom and doom has been heavily overdone, which is JP’s point I think.
We should be belting teams so dodgy TMO calls and missed conversions dont matter.
Like the away fighter who knows he wont get the rub of the judges score cards.......knock them out.
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@pakman I'd argue the doom and gloom about that performance is, if anything, under done.
The ABs missed 40 tackles. The backline made only one line break and between them just 72 minutes. The ABs were stuffed in terms of territory, possession and the aerial battle.
It wasn't an unlucky defeat. It was an absolute mugging by the side ranked Seven in the world. The score line massively flattered the All Blacks.
It was one of the very worst All Blacks I've seen in 40 years of supporting the side in bad and mostly good times.
And no amount of spin by Scott Robertson's pals on TV will change my mind.
Which brings me to the central point. Our current Head Coach seems exceptional at media management and spin, but not nearly so good at getting the best out of his players in the test arena.
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Argentina are always tough at home. But we were so fundamentally poor it was disgraceful. We could very well turn it around for the Boks. That in itself will be an indictment on the coaching group as it would suggest they took them lightly and failed to adequately prepare the team for Argie 2
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