All Blacks 2025
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Mmm... here is an alternative view. Every team with BB at the helm or at an influencial position of running the cutter has had the "headless chook" syndrome. Canes, Foster's reign, Blues including Cotter's Blues, and now Razor's reign . Great player and AB, but bugger me, seems to have an effect on structure and composure. He is the only constant in the "problem". Discuss.
. It is on Razor that he keeps picking him at 10, though. -
@pakman said in All Blacks 2025:
Razor should have been steered to coach a top side overseas. McMillan will be a significantly better coach for his Munster experience.
The danger is once they go, the likelihood of them returning to coach in Nz greatly diminishes
@DaGrubster said in All Blacks 2025:
@pakman said in All Blacks 2025:
Razor should have been steered to coach a top side overseas. McMillan will be a significantly better coach for his Munster experience.
The danger is once they go, the likelihood of them returning to coach in Nz greatly diminishes
Don't know Grubs, I think opposite. Henry, Hansen, SchmidtW Smith, JJ are examples that have gone and come back just lately, oh and Johnno Gibbes. I think astute coaches go overseas to broaden their experience.
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Mmm... here is an alternative view. Every team with BB at the helm or at an influencial position of running the cutter has had the "headless chook" syndrome. Canes, Foster's reign, Blues including Cotter's Blues, and now Razor's reign . Great player and AB, but bugger me, seems to have an effect on structure and composure. He is the only constant in the "problem". Discuss.
. It is on Razor that he keeps picking him at 10, though.@Old-Samurai-Jack said in All Blacks 2025:
Mmm... here is an alternative view. Every team with BB at the helm or at an influencial position of running the cutter has had the "headless chook" syndrome. Canes, Foster's reign, Blues including Cotter's Blues, and now Razor's reign . Great player and AB, but bugger me, seems to have an effect on structure and composure. He is the only constant in the "problem". Discuss.
. It is on Razor that he keeps picking him at 10, though.I would definitely subscribe to this thesis.
Honestly a geriatric Sexton would do a better job.
This team is not well marshalled.
We either need to hand Roigard the keys and play off 9 ala France, or give DMAC/Love an extended run.
Or even get Reihana/Jacomb in and around the squad with a view to the future.
We have watched Beaudy for 138 games in black. We all know what we are going to be served up.
Its chaos ball.
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Mmm... here is an alternative view. Every team with BB at the helm or at an influencial position of running the cutter has had the "headless chook" syndrome. Canes, Foster's reign, Blues including Cotter's Blues, and now Razor's reign . Great player and AB, but bugger me, seems to have an effect on structure and composure. He is the only constant in the "problem". Discuss.
. It is on Razor that he keeps picking him at 10, though.@Old-Samurai-Jack said in All Blacks 2025:
Mmm... here is an alternative view. Every team with BB at the helm or at an influencial position of running the cutter has had the "headless chook" syndrome. Canes, Foster's reign, Blues including Cotter's Blues, and now Razor's reign . Great player and AB, but bugger me, seems to have an effect on structure and composure. He is the only constant in the "problem". Discuss.
. It is on Razor that he keeps picking him at 10, though.But I am reliably informed he brings control.
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I am hoping the negativity on the Fern is a contrary indicator,
-Awful analysis, incorrect conclusions, zero insight. Wrong about pretty much everything@Frank I'm hoping that after winning Argentina 1 pretty comfortably, maybe we took our eye of the ball for the next one and looked a bit too far ahead.
This will be a very difficult test. The Boks have beaten us twice in neutral territory and twice on their home turf. They can really assert their dominance and put us in some disarray if they beat us tonight - take the number 1 ranking off us I assume, take the Eden Park record, and have us home and away.
They will be very up for it - but, so will we.
TAB says NZ $1.52, SA $2.45
Seem like crazy odds to me. Too close to call.
Hope it's not determined by cards, but if it is, hopefully it's SA with the cards and us with the win.
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I am hoping the negativity on the Fern is a contrary indicator,
-Awful analysis, incorrect conclusions, zero insight. Wrong about pretty much everything -
Beaudens best game this year imo was France I in Dunedin..... Flawless goalkicking and pretty good distribution without a ton of inaccurate kicking from hand ..
I wonder to what extent that was a function of DMac playing the whole game. I think the backline went well that game because with DMac, Jordan and Jordie on the pitch there was enough playmaking and footballing skill for Beauden to be more of a facilitator.
I wouldn't have minded seeing Beauden and DMac both start a test match since then because I think the backline has been pretty pedestrian since.
Either way Dmac has been under used this year by Razor and co. He needs more minutes.
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Aside from perhaps Ryan, there's doesn't appear to be much mongrel or hard edge in the coaching group.
Joe Schmidt is no old school Jamie Joseph but he seems very down to earth and technically focused.
I've said it once already, but the way Scott Hansen comes across in interviews does not fill with confidence at all.
@Frank said in All Blacks 2025:
Aside from perhaps Ryan, there's doesn't appear to be much mongrel or hard edge in the coaching group.
Joe Schmidt is no old school Jamie Joseph but he seems very down to earth and technically focused.
I've said it once already, but the way Scott Hansen comes across in interviews does not fill with confidence at all.
As I said previously:
@antipodean said in All Blacks v Argentina I:Jesus the passing and handling for the All Blacks is dog shit.
WTF does Scott Hansen do apart from regurgitate marketing manglement speak?
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Mmm... here is an alternative view. Every team with BB at the helm or at an influencial position of running the cutter has had the "headless chook" syndrome. Canes, Foster's reign, Blues including Cotter's Blues, and now Razor's reign . Great player and AB, but bugger me, seems to have an effect on structure and composure. He is the only constant in the "problem". Discuss.
. It is on Razor that he keeps picking him at 10, though.@Old-Samurai-Jack said in All Blacks 2025:
He is the only constant in the "problem". Discuss.
. It is on Razor that he keeps picking him at 10, though.That last line is key
He's seen two different 10s dominate the playoffs and win Super Rugby 2 years in a row playing traditional 10 style and said no thanks both times.....
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@Old-Samurai-Jack said in All Blacks 2025:
He is the only constant in the "problem". Discuss.
. It is on Razor that he keeps picking him at 10, though.That last line is key
He's seen two different 10s dominate the playoffs and win Super Rugby 2 years in a row playing traditional 10 style and said no thanks both times.....
@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks 2025:
@Old-Samurai-Jack said in All Blacks 2025:
He is the only constant in the "problem". Discuss.
. It is on Razor that he keeps picking him at 10, though.That last line is key
He's seen two different 10s dominate the playoffs and win Super Rugby 2 years in a row playing traditional 10 style and said no thanks both times.....
To be fair, though - Vern Cotter agreed with Razor.
As soon as he had Beaudy available, Plummer barely got a look in.
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@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks 2025:
@Old-Samurai-Jack said in All Blacks 2025:
He is the only constant in the "problem". Discuss.
. It is on Razor that he keeps picking him at 10, though.That last line is key
He's seen two different 10s dominate the playoffs and win Super Rugby 2 years in a row playing traditional 10 style and said no thanks both times.....
To be fair, though - Vern Cotter agreed with Razor.
As soon as he had Beaudy available, Plummer barely got a look in.
@Chris-B said in All Blacks 2025:
@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks 2025:
@Old-Samurai-Jack said in All Blacks 2025:
He is the only constant in the "problem". Discuss.
. It is on Razor that he keeps picking him at 10, though.That last line is key
He's seen two different 10s dominate the playoffs and win Super Rugby 2 years in a row playing traditional 10 style and said no thanks both times.....
To be fair, though - Vern Cotter agreed with Razor.
As soon as he had Beaudy available, Plummer barely got a look in.
Bit of a different situation. Plummer had decided to head off overseas by that stage. Played like it too.
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@Chris-B said in All Blacks 2025:
@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks 2025:
@Old-Samurai-Jack said in All Blacks 2025:
He is the only constant in the "problem". Discuss.
. It is on Razor that he keeps picking him at 10, though.That last line is key
He's seen two different 10s dominate the playoffs and win Super Rugby 2 years in a row playing traditional 10 style and said no thanks both times.....
To be fair, though - Vern Cotter agreed with Razor.
As soon as he had Beaudy available, Plummer barely got a look in.
Bit of a different situation. Plummer had decided to head off overseas by that stage. Played like it too.
@KiwiMurph It's a bit poor to just turn up for the cash.
I would have picked Plummer last year instead of Perofeta, but he still would have been third choice. In my mind he's David Hill.
Reihana is promising, but doesn't look test ready.
I don't buy that these guys were/are the missing links.
DMac or Beaudy is the question - until the second coming!
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I am hoping the negativity on the Fern is a contrary indicator,
-Awful analysis, incorrect conclusions, zero insight. Wrong about pretty much everything@Frank said in All Blacks 2025:
I am hoping the negativity on the Fern is a contrary indicator,
-Awful analysis, incorrect conclusions, zero insight. Wrong about pretty much everythingFFS. I've just spent the whole week invoking the reverse Curse of the Meldrews....
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@KiwiMurph It's a bit poor to just turn up for the cash.
I would have picked Plummer last year instead of Perofeta, but he still would have been third choice. In my mind he's David Hill.
Reihana is promising, but doesn't look test ready.
I don't buy that these guys were/are the missing links.
DMac or Beaudy is the question - until the second coming!
@Chris-B said in All Blacks 2025:
@KiwiMurph It's a bit poor to just turn up for the cash.
I would have picked Plummer last year instead of Perofeta, but he still would have been third choice. In my mind he's David Hill.
Reihana is promising, but doesn't look test ready.
I don't buy that these guys were/are the missing links.
DMac or Beaudy is the question - until the second coming!
If Plummer had been staying I would have picked him over Beauden at 10 for the Blues, and he was more successful.
I don't think he is/was the answer at AB level, he had one good year then fucked off - and it's not like his individual brilliance won that title. -
@Chris-B said in All Blacks 2025:
@KiwiMurph It's a bit poor to just turn up for the cash.
I would have picked Plummer last year instead of Perofeta, but he still would have been third choice. In my mind he's David Hill.
Reihana is promising, but doesn't look test ready.
I don't buy that these guys were/are the missing links.
DMac or Beaudy is the question - until the second coming!
If Plummer had been staying I would have picked him over Beauden at 10 for the Blues, and he was more successful.
I don't think he is/was the answer at AB level, he had one good year then fucked off - and it's not like his individual brilliance won that title.@reprobate said in All Blacks 2025:
@Chris-B said in All Blacks 2025:
@KiwiMurph It's a bit poor to just turn up for the cash.
I would have picked Plummer last year instead of Perofeta, but he still would have been third choice. In my mind he's David Hill.
Reihana is promising, but doesn't look test ready.
I don't buy that these guys were/are the missing links.
DMac or Beaudy is the question - until the second coming!
If Plummer had been staying I would have picked him over Beauden at 10 for the Blues, and he was more successful.
I don't think he is/was the answer at AB level, he had one good year then fucked off - and it's not like his individual brilliance won that title.You make some good points. But he played a significant part in the way that backline operated, and he was important to their winning season. And as you said you can only think. If Razor had given him a run perhaps we might have known if he was up to it or not
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@reprobate said in All Blacks 2025:
@Chris-B said in All Blacks 2025:
@KiwiMurph It's a bit poor to just turn up for the cash.
I would have picked Plummer last year instead of Perofeta, but he still would have been third choice. In my mind he's David Hill.
Reihana is promising, but doesn't look test ready.
I don't buy that these guys were/are the missing links.
DMac or Beaudy is the question - until the second coming!
If Plummer had been staying I would have picked him over Beauden at 10 for the Blues, and he was more successful.
I don't think he is/was the answer at AB level, he had one good year then fucked off - and it's not like his individual brilliance won that title.You make some good points. But he played a significant part in the way that backline operated, and he was important to their winning season. And as you said you can only think. If Razor had given him a run perhaps we might have known if he was up to it or not
@canefan said in All Blacks 2025:
@reprobate said in All Blacks 2025:
@Chris-B said in All Blacks 2025:
@KiwiMurph It's a bit poor to just turn up for the cash.
I would have picked Plummer last year instead of Perofeta, but he still would have been third choice. In my mind he's David Hill.
Reihana is promising, but doesn't look test ready.
I don't buy that these guys were/are the missing links.
DMac or Beaudy is the question - until the second coming!
If Plummer had been staying I would have picked him over Beauden at 10 for the Blues, and he was more successful.
I don't think he is/was the answer at AB level, he had one good year then fucked off - and it's not like his individual brilliance won that title.You make some good points. But he played a significant part in the way that backline operated, and he was important to their winning season. And as you said you can only think. If Razor had given him a run perhaps we might have known if he was up to it or not
That is half my point though: you can't expect to become an incumbent AB based on one genuinely pretty good season. A frankly fucking amazing season like Hoskins had wasn't enough to even make the squad.
If you choose to leave at that point rather than back it up and press your claim, that's on you. -
@canefan said in All Blacks 2025:
@reprobate said in All Blacks 2025:
@Chris-B said in All Blacks 2025:
@KiwiMurph It's a bit poor to just turn up for the cash.
I would have picked Plummer last year instead of Perofeta, but he still would have been third choice. In my mind he's David Hill.
Reihana is promising, but doesn't look test ready.
I don't buy that these guys were/are the missing links.
DMac or Beaudy is the question - until the second coming!
If Plummer had been staying I would have picked him over Beauden at 10 for the Blues, and he was more successful.
I don't think he is/was the answer at AB level, he had one good year then fucked off - and it's not like his individual brilliance won that title.You make some good points. But he played a significant part in the way that backline operated, and he was important to their winning season. And as you said you can only think. If Razor had given him a run perhaps we might have known if he was up to it or not
That is half my point though: you can't expect to become an incumbent AB based on one genuinely pretty good season. A frankly fucking amazing season like Hoskins had wasn't enough to even make the squad.
If you choose to leave at that point rather than back it up and press your claim, that's on you.@reprobate said in All Blacks 2025:
@canefan said in All Blacks 2025:
@reprobate said in All Blacks 2025:
@Chris-B said in All Blacks 2025:
@KiwiMurph It's a bit poor to just turn up for the cash.
I would have picked Plummer last year instead of Perofeta, but he still would have been third choice. In my mind he's David Hill.
Reihana is promising, but doesn't look test ready.
I don't buy that these guys were/are the missing links.
DMac or Beaudy is the question - until the second coming!
If Plummer had been staying I would have picked him over Beauden at 10 for the Blues, and he was more successful.
I don't think he is/was the answer at AB level, he had one good year then fucked off - and it's not like his individual brilliance won that title.You make some good points. But he played a significant part in the way that backline operated, and he was important to their winning season. And as you said you can only think. If Razor had given him a run perhaps we might have known if he was up to it or not
That is half my point though: you can't expect to become an incumbent AB based on one genuinely pretty good season. A frankly fucking amazing season like Hoskins had wasn't enough to even make the squad.
If you choose to leave at that point rather than back it up and press your claim, that's on you.Perhaps he saw he had no shot, and took the money. I could understand, DMac arguably outplayed BB last season and he can't get a start
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@reprobate said in All Blacks 2025:
@canefan said in All Blacks 2025:
@reprobate said in All Blacks 2025:
@Chris-B said in All Blacks 2025:
@KiwiMurph It's a bit poor to just turn up for the cash.
I would have picked Plummer last year instead of Perofeta, but he still would have been third choice. In my mind he's David Hill.
Reihana is promising, but doesn't look test ready.
I don't buy that these guys were/are the missing links.
DMac or Beaudy is the question - until the second coming!
If Plummer had been staying I would have picked him over Beauden at 10 for the Blues, and he was more successful.
I don't think he is/was the answer at AB level, he had one good year then fucked off - and it's not like his individual brilliance won that title.You make some good points. But he played a significant part in the way that backline operated, and he was important to their winning season. And as you said you can only think. If Razor had given him a run perhaps we might have known if he was up to it or not
That is half my point though: you can't expect to become an incumbent AB based on one genuinely pretty good season. A frankly fucking amazing season like Hoskins had wasn't enough to even make the squad.
If you choose to leave at that point rather than back it up and press your claim, that's on you.Perhaps he saw he had no shot, and took the money. I could understand, DMac arguably outplayed BB last season and he can't get a start
@canefan said in All Blacks 2025:
Perhaps he saw he had no shot, and took the money
Exactly. He got 2 mins under Razor all on defence and only got that because Beauden came down with an illness in the days leading up to the game. He knew he had no shot.
