All Blacks 2025
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@Frank I'm hoping that after winning Argentina 1 pretty comfortably, maybe we took our eye of the ball for the next one and looked a bit too far ahead.
This will be a very difficult test. The Boks have beaten us twice in neutral territory and twice on their home turf. They can really assert their dominance and put us in some disarray if they beat us tonight - take the number 1 ranking off us I assume, take the Eden Park record, and have us home and away.
They will be very up for it - but, so will we.
TAB says NZ $1.52, SA $2.45
Seem like crazy odds to me. Too close to call.
Hope it's not determined by cards, but if it is, hopefully it's SA with the cards and us with the win.
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Beaudens best game this year imo was France I in Dunedin..... Flawless goalkicking and pretty good distribution without a ton of inaccurate kicking from hand ..
I wonder to what extent that was a function of DMac playing the whole game. I think the backline went well that game because with DMac, Jordan and Jordie on the pitch there was enough playmaking and footballing skill for Beauden to be more of a facilitator.
I wouldn't have minded seeing Beauden and DMac both start a test match since then because I think the backline has been pretty pedestrian since.
Either way Dmac has been under used this year by Razor and co. He needs more minutes.
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@Frank said in All Blacks 2025:
Aside from perhaps Ryan, there's doesn't appear to be much mongrel or hard edge in the coaching group.
Joe Schmidt is no old school Jamie Joseph but he seems very down to earth and technically focused.
I've said it once already, but the way Scott Hansen comes across in interviews does not fill with confidence at all.
As I said previously:
@antipodean said in All Blacks v Argentina I:Jesus the passing and handling for the All Blacks is dog shit.
WTF does Scott Hansen do apart from regurgitate marketing manglement speak?
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@Old-Samurai-Jack said in All Blacks 2025:
He is the only constant in the "problem". Discuss.
. It is on Razor that he keeps picking him at 10, though.That last line is key
He's seen two different 10s dominate the playoffs and win Super Rugby 2 years in a row playing traditional 10 style and said no thanks both times.....
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@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks 2025:
@Old-Samurai-Jack said in All Blacks 2025:
He is the only constant in the "problem". Discuss.
. It is on Razor that he keeps picking him at 10, though.That last line is key
He's seen two different 10s dominate the playoffs and win Super Rugby 2 years in a row playing traditional 10 style and said no thanks both times.....
To be fair, though - Vern Cotter agreed with Razor.
As soon as he had Beaudy available, Plummer barely got a look in.
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@Chris-B said in All Blacks 2025:
@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks 2025:
@Old-Samurai-Jack said in All Blacks 2025:
He is the only constant in the "problem". Discuss.
. It is on Razor that he keeps picking him at 10, though.That last line is key
He's seen two different 10s dominate the playoffs and win Super Rugby 2 years in a row playing traditional 10 style and said no thanks both times.....
To be fair, though - Vern Cotter agreed with Razor.
As soon as he had Beaudy available, Plummer barely got a look in.
Bit of a different situation. Plummer had decided to head off overseas by that stage. Played like it too.
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@KiwiMurph It's a bit poor to just turn up for the cash.
I would have picked Plummer last year instead of Perofeta, but he still would have been third choice. In my mind he's David Hill.
Reihana is promising, but doesn't look test ready.
I don't buy that these guys were/are the missing links.
DMac or Beaudy is the question - until the second coming!
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@Frank said in All Blacks 2025:
I am hoping the negativity on the Fern is a contrary indicator,
-Awful analysis, incorrect conclusions, zero insight. Wrong about pretty much everythingFFS. I've just spent the whole week invoking the reverse Curse of the Meldrews....
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@Chris-B said in All Blacks 2025:
@KiwiMurph It's a bit poor to just turn up for the cash.
I would have picked Plummer last year instead of Perofeta, but he still would have been third choice. In my mind he's David Hill.
Reihana is promising, but doesn't look test ready.
I don't buy that these guys were/are the missing links.
DMac or Beaudy is the question - until the second coming!
If Plummer had been staying I would have picked him over Beauden at 10 for the Blues, and he was more successful.
I don't think he is/was the answer at AB level, he had one good year then fucked off - and it's not like his individual brilliance won that title. -
@reprobate said in All Blacks 2025:
@Chris-B said in All Blacks 2025:
@KiwiMurph It's a bit poor to just turn up for the cash.
I would have picked Plummer last year instead of Perofeta, but he still would have been third choice. In my mind he's David Hill.
Reihana is promising, but doesn't look test ready.
I don't buy that these guys were/are the missing links.
DMac or Beaudy is the question - until the second coming!
If Plummer had been staying I would have picked him over Beauden at 10 for the Blues, and he was more successful.
I don't think he is/was the answer at AB level, he had one good year then fucked off - and it's not like his individual brilliance won that title.You make some good points. But he played a significant part in the way that backline operated, and he was important to their winning season. And as you said you can only think. If Razor had given him a run perhaps we might have known if he was up to it or not
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@canefan said in All Blacks 2025:
@reprobate said in All Blacks 2025:
@Chris-B said in All Blacks 2025:
@KiwiMurph It's a bit poor to just turn up for the cash.
I would have picked Plummer last year instead of Perofeta, but he still would have been third choice. In my mind he's David Hill.
Reihana is promising, but doesn't look test ready.
I don't buy that these guys were/are the missing links.
DMac or Beaudy is the question - until the second coming!
If Plummer had been staying I would have picked him over Beauden at 10 for the Blues, and he was more successful.
I don't think he is/was the answer at AB level, he had one good year then fucked off - and it's not like his individual brilliance won that title.You make some good points. But he played a significant part in the way that backline operated, and he was important to their winning season. And as you said you can only think. If Razor had given him a run perhaps we might have known if he was up to it or not
That is half my point though: you can't expect to become an incumbent AB based on one genuinely pretty good season. A frankly fucking amazing season like Hoskins had wasn't enough to even make the squad.
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@reprobate said in All Blacks 2025:
@canefan said in All Blacks 2025:
@reprobate said in All Blacks 2025:
@Chris-B said in All Blacks 2025:
@KiwiMurph It's a bit poor to just turn up for the cash.
I would have picked Plummer last year instead of Perofeta, but he still would have been third choice. In my mind he's David Hill.
Reihana is promising, but doesn't look test ready.
I don't buy that these guys were/are the missing links.
DMac or Beaudy is the question - until the second coming!
If Plummer had been staying I would have picked him over Beauden at 10 for the Blues, and he was more successful.
I don't think he is/was the answer at AB level, he had one good year then fucked off - and it's not like his individual brilliance won that title.You make some good points. But he played a significant part in the way that backline operated, and he was important to their winning season. And as you said you can only think. If Razor had given him a run perhaps we might have known if he was up to it or not
That is half my point though: you can't expect to become an incumbent AB based on one genuinely pretty good season. A frankly fucking amazing season like Hoskins had wasn't enough to even make the squad.
If you choose to leave at that point rather than back it up and press your claim, that's on you.Perhaps he saw he had no shot, and took the money. I could understand, DMac arguably outplayed BB last season and he can't get a start
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@canefan said in All Blacks 2025:
Perhaps he saw he had no shot, and took the money
Exactly. He got 2 mins under Razor all on defence and only got that because Beauden came down with an illness in the days leading up to the game. He knew he had no shot.
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Personally feel like Plummer didn’t get a shot, because it was quite clear he didn’t have the tools to go any further than he had shown.
He was limited - and I think Reihana sits more in this camp.
One could argue Love and Jacomb possess the X-Factor skills that mean they could be a long-term solution, but one seems to favour fullback at every turn, and the other has yet to be consistent at Super Rugby level.
Leaves the coaches still with DMac and Barrett - and I personally think neither is up to the task, but for all the criticism of BB last night, I encourage people to watch the game again, because there was 3-4 moments of quality in key moments, that in my opinion DMac is not capable of doing.
It’s a tough conundrum, because at the end of the day every option is floored, so whoever they select will look like the wrong option.
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Bit left field but I wouldn’t mind seeing Jacob Ratumaitavuki-Kneepkens on one wing once he’s fully fit post injury. Hes very good under the high ball and has a great skill set. IMO the ABs have always looked best with one hybrid wing/full back on one wing
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So Taylor will be out for Springboks II. We will have to bring in another hooker into the squad.
Will Patty T be back? We only used Holland very late in the piece given how well our starting locks were playing. I think if Patty was available and with his impact, we may have seen a change earlier to one of our loosies.
Narawa will almost certainly be out.
Sititi copped a bad knock, but passed his HIA. They’ll be keeping an eye on him for any delayed symptoms.
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@ACT-Crusader said in All Blacks 2025:
So Taylor will be out for Springboks II. We will have to bring in another hooker into the squad.
Will Patty T be back? We only used Holland very late in the piece given how well our starting locks were playing. I think if Patty was available and with his impact, we may have seen a change earlier to one of our loosies.
Narawa will almost certainly be out.
Sititi copped a bad knock, but passed his HIA. They’ll be keeping an eye on him for any delayed symptoms.
Bell will obviously come in to cover.
The reserve lock becomes a bit of a useless position now with Pat not there. Lord and Holland are more starters than impact of the bench. Handy if there's an early injury, but their roles don't really suit making an instant impact off the bench.
I hope to see Jordan pushed out wide and McKenzie at the back.
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@African-Monkey said in All Blacks 2025:
Bell will obviously come in to cover.
Aumua injured? (Haven't been following.)
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@booboo said in All Blacks 2025:
@African-Monkey said in All Blacks 2025:
Bell will obviously come in to cover.
Aumua injured? (Haven't been following.)
Im sure he is.
