All Blacks v Springboks I
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Wow that was such an exciting game. That last 20 mins was edge of the seat stuff, and I let out a few yells that woke the dog. I was interested to see how Christie, Ioane, BB and Proctor went given the flak they tend to get on here...and they all played well. Most of Christie's passes were quick and straight and he both attacked and defended strongly. Pity about Narawa, I hope he's ok.
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@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks v Springboks I:
@canefan on the other hand a win over the Boks has to be good for the confidence.
Better than a loss. But we aren't learning
@canefan said in All Blacks v Springboks I:
@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks v Springboks I:
@canefan on the other hand a win over the Boks has to be good for the confidence.
Better than a loss. But we aren't learning
We played as badly as we did in most of the recent losses.
We just happened to come out on the right side of the ledger today.
They were bad and a competent Allblack team would have wellied them.
We are going life and death with everyone.
Our wins are all by barely a score.
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Willie Le Roux gifted the ABs that first try and they were good enough to hold on despite some moments of poor rugby from the Men in Black.
Positives:
The intensity of the ruck work.
The forward defensive effort.
The crowd were ace.
We won.Work ons:
We need a better option at 11, at 13 and arguably at 15 too.
Set piece once the replacements come on.
The kicking.Sweet to win one against the Boks after losing the last four against the Old Foe. Lots of work needed ahead of the Wellington game and the Bledisloe.
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Wow that was such an exciting game. That last 20 mins was edge of the seat stuff, and I let out a few yells that woke the dog. I was interested to see how Christie, Ioane, BB and Proctor went given the flak they tend to get on here...and they all played well. Most of Christie's passes were quick and straight and he both attacked and defended strongly. Pity about Narawa, I hope he's ok.
@allblackfan2 said in All Blacks v Springboks I:
Wow that was such an exciting game. That last 20 mins was edge of the seat stuff, and I let out a few yells that woke the dog. I was interested to see how Christie, Ioane, BB and Proctor went given the flak they tend to get on here...and they all played well. Most of Christie's passes were quick and straight and he both attacked and defended strongly. Pity about Narawa, I hope he's ok.
Rancid bait.
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Back in the day, Lomax and William were not considered good scrummagers.
Then they improved.
But tonight they seemed to have regressed.@Frank said in All Blacks v Springboks I:
Back in the day, Lomax and William were not considered good scrummagers.
Then they improved.
But tonight they seems to have regressed.To be fair one scrum was horrible. Others were average. Not a lot of rugby for those two. They will get better.
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The scrum was disappointing as I thought we might have a slight edge once the reserves came on.
Lomax looked really underdone, and Williams wasn't any better. I can only assume SB was used as the TH lock so he didn't have to swap when Holland came on. @pakman will have some thoughts.
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@MiketheSnow said in All Blacks v Springboks I:
@MajorRage said in All Blacks v Springboks I:
@MiketheSnow said in All Blacks v Springboks I:
How the fuck is that not a YC?
Because it was bullshit?
At least the TMO invented a high tackle to save face.
Comedy.
Shoulder to the head
YC and off field review
Mitigation as attacker was falling in the tackle
Stays YC
Been ruled that way for years
Not tonight
I understand your logic, but I really don’t like the typical interpretation. If an attacker runs head first into a static member of the opposition it’s not even really a tackle, let alone a dangerous one.
IMO the attacker ought to take some responsibility if he charges ahead recklessly.
So me a penalty feels appropriate in that specific instance.
@pakman said in All Blacks v Springboks I:
@MiketheSnow said in All Blacks v Springboks I:
@MajorRage said in All Blacks v Springboks I:
@MiketheSnow said in All Blacks v Springboks I:
How the fuck is that not a YC?
Because it was bullshit?
At least the TMO invented a high tackle to save face.
Comedy.
Shoulder to the head
YC and off field review
Mitigation as attacker was falling in the tackle
Stays YC
Been ruled that way for years
Not tonight
I understand your logic, but I really don’t like the typical interpretation. If an attacker runs head first into a static member of the opposition it’s not even really a tackle, let alone a dangerous one.
IMO the attacker ought to take some responsibility if he charges ahead recklessly.
So me a penalty feels appropriate in that specific instance.
Got no problem with your interpretation and logic.
But it's refereed so inconsistently - more often than not the other way - that it gets very frustrating when one minute it's an off-field review and the next minute it's a penalty only.
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Wow that was such an exciting game. That last 20 mins was edge of the seat stuff, and I let out a few yells that woke the dog. I was interested to see how Christie, Ioane, BB and Proctor went given the flak they tend to get on here...and they all played well. Most of Christie's passes were quick and straight and he both attacked and defended strongly. Pity about Narawa, I hope he's ok.
@allblackfan2 said in All Blacks v Springboks I:
Wow that was such an exciting game. That last 20 mins was edge of the seat stuff, and I let out a few yells that woke the dog. I was interested to see how Christie, Ioane, BB and Proctor went given the flak they tend to get on here...and they all played well. Most of Christie's passes were quick and straight and he both attacked and defended strongly. Pity about Narawa, I hope he's ok.
Most of Christie’s passes were quick and straight? Can I have some of what you’re on?
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@kidcalder said in All Blacks v Springboks I:
Christie is there because of injuries, hopefully 1 or 2 will be back soon enough -otherwise be nice to see what Preston can do starting.
We really need to move on from BB at 10 Give Dmac the reins and Love to the benchWe definitely need to start giving Love more game time. We could easily have an injury crisis at 10 like we have at 9. He needs experience and they need to start giving him some.
@Canes4life said in All Blacks v Springboks I:
@kidcalder said in All Blacks v Springboks I:
Christie is there because of injuries, hopefully 1 or 2 will be back soon enough -otherwise be nice to see what Preston can do starting.
We really need to move on from BB at 10 Give Dmac the reins and Love to the benchWe definitely need to start giving Love more game time. We could easily have an injury crisis at 10 like we have at 9. He needs experience and they need to start giving him some.
This is what Rassie is doing, for better or worse.
He has 3 or 4 players in every position with 30 caps each come World Cup time.
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Wow that was such an exciting game. That last 20 mins was edge of the seat stuff, and I let out a few yells that woke the dog. I was interested to see how Christie, Ioane, BB and Proctor went given the flak they tend to get on here...and they all played well. Most of Christie's passes were quick and straight and he both attacked and defended strongly. Pity about Narawa, I hope he's ok.
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@Canes4life said in All Blacks v Springboks I:
@kidcalder said in All Blacks v Springboks I:
Christie is there because of injuries, hopefully 1 or 2 will be back soon enough -otherwise be nice to see what Preston can do starting.
We really need to move on from BB at 10 Give Dmac the reins and Love to the benchWe definitely need to start giving Love more game time. We could easily have an injury crisis at 10 like we have at 9. He needs experience and they need to start giving him some.
This is what Rassie is doing, for better or worse.
He has 3 or 4 players in every position with 30 caps each come World Cup time.
@Jet said in All Blacks v Springboks I:
@Canes4life said in All Blacks v Springboks I:
@kidcalder said in All Blacks v Springboks I:
Christie is there because of injuries, hopefully 1 or 2 will be back soon enough -otherwise be nice to see what Preston can do starting.
We really need to move on from BB at 10 Give Dmac the reins and Love to the benchWe definitely need to start giving Love more game time. We could easily have an injury crisis at 10 like we have at 9. He needs experience and they need to start giving him some.
This is what Rassie is doing, for better or worse.
He has 3 or 4 players in every position with 30 caps each come World Cup time.
He doesn't have a win at Eden Park
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@allblackfan2 said in All Blacks v Springboks I:
Wow that was such an exciting game. That last 20 mins was edge of the seat stuff, and I let out a few yells that woke the dog. I was interested to see how Christie, Ioane, BB and Proctor went given the flak they tend to get on here...and they all played well. Most of Christie's passes were quick and straight and he both attacked and defended strongly. Pity about Narawa, I hope he's ok.
Rancid bait.
@Jet 'bait' as in baiting? Not at all, an honest opinion albeit one that doesnt align with some others.
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@pakman said in All Blacks v Springboks I:
@MiketheSnow said in All Blacks v Springboks I:
@MajorRage said in All Blacks v Springboks I:
@MiketheSnow said in All Blacks v Springboks I:
How the fuck is that not a YC?
Because it was bullshit?
At least the TMO invented a high tackle to save face.
Comedy.
Shoulder to the head
YC and off field review
Mitigation as attacker was falling in the tackle
Stays YC
Been ruled that way for years
Not tonight
I understand your logic, but I really don’t like the typical interpretation. If an attacker runs head first into a static member of the opposition it’s not even really a tackle, let alone a dangerous one.
IMO the attacker ought to take some responsibility if he charges ahead recklessly.
So me a penalty feels appropriate in that specific instance.
Got no problem with your interpretation and logic.
But it's refereed so inconsistently - more often than not the other way - that it gets very frustrating when one minute it's an off-field review and the next minute it's a penalty only.
@MiketheSnow said in All Blacks v Springboks I:
@pakman said in All Blacks v Springboks I:
@MiketheSnow said in All Blacks v Springboks I:
@MajorRage said in All Blacks v Springboks I:
@MiketheSnow said in All Blacks v Springboks I:
How the fuck is that not a YC?
Because it was bullshit?
At least the TMO invented a high tackle to save face.
Comedy.
Shoulder to the head
YC and off field review
Mitigation as attacker was falling in the tackle
Stays YC
Been ruled that way for years
Not tonight
I understand your logic, but I really don’t like the typical interpretation. If an attacker runs head first into a static member of the opposition it’s not even really a tackle, let alone a dangerous one.
IMO the attacker ought to take some responsibility if he charges ahead recklessly.
So me a penalty feels appropriate in that specific instance.
Got no problem with your interpretation and logic.
But it's refereed so inconsistently - more often than not the other way - that it gets very frustrating when one minute it's an off-field review and the next minute it's a penalty only.
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Willie Le Roux gifted the ABs that first try and they were good enough to hold on despite some moments of poor rugby from the Men in Black.
Positives:
The intensity of the ruck work.
The forward defensive effort.
The crowd were ace.
We won.Work ons:
We need a better option at 11, at 13 and arguably at 15 too.
Set piece once the replacements come on.
The kicking.Sweet to win one against the Boks after losing the last four against the Old Foe. Lots of work needed ahead of the Wellington game and the Bledisloe.
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@kidcalder said in All Blacks v Springboks I:
Christie is there because of injuries, hopefully 1 or 2 will be back soon enough -otherwise be nice to see what Preston can do starting.
We really need to move on from BB at 10 Give Dmac the reins and Love to the benchWe definitely need to start giving Love more game time. We could easily have an injury crisis at 10 like we have at 9. He needs experience and they need to start giving him some.
@Canes4life said in All Blacks v Springboks I:
@kidcalder said in All Blacks v Springboks I:
Christie is there because of injuries, hopefully 1 or 2 will be back soon enough -otherwise be nice to see what Preston can do starting.
We really need to move on from BB at 10 Give Dmac the reins and Love to the benchWe definitely need to start giving Love more game time. We could easily have an injury crisis at 10 like we have at 9. He needs experience and they need to start giving him some.
Just look at what happened in 2011, it could easily happen again.
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@Jet said in All Blacks v Springboks I:
@Canes4life said in All Blacks v Springboks I:
@kidcalder said in All Blacks v Springboks I:
Christie is there because of injuries, hopefully 1 or 2 will be back soon enough -otherwise be nice to see what Preston can do starting.
We really need to move on from BB at 10 Give Dmac the reins and Love to the benchWe definitely need to start giving Love more game time. We could easily have an injury crisis at 10 like we have at 9. He needs experience and they need to start giving him some.
This is what Rassie is doing, for better or worse.
He has 3 or 4 players in every position with 30 caps each come World Cup time.
He doesn't have a win at Eden Park
@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks v Springboks I:
@Jet said in All Blacks v Springboks I:
@Canes4life said in All Blacks v Springboks I:
@kidcalder said in All Blacks v Springboks I:
Christie is there because of injuries, hopefully 1 or 2 will be back soon enough -otherwise be nice to see what Preston can do starting.
We really need to move on from BB at 10 Give Dmac the reins and Love to the benchWe definitely need to start giving Love more game time. We could easily have an injury crisis at 10 like we have at 9. He needs experience and they need to start giving him some.
This is what Rassie is doing, for better or worse.
He has 3 or 4 players in every position with 30 caps each come World Cup time.
He doesn't have a win at Eden Park
He has 2 World Cup wins and a Lions Series.
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@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks v Springboks I:
@Jet said in All Blacks v Springboks I:
@Canes4life said in All Blacks v Springboks I:
@kidcalder said in All Blacks v Springboks I:
Christie is there because of injuries, hopefully 1 or 2 will be back soon enough -otherwise be nice to see what Preston can do starting.
We really need to move on from BB at 10 Give Dmac the reins and Love to the benchWe definitely need to start giving Love more game time. We could easily have an injury crisis at 10 like we have at 9. He needs experience and they need to start giving him some.
This is what Rassie is doing, for better or worse.
He has 3 or 4 players in every position with 30 caps each come World Cup time.
He doesn't have a win at Eden Park
He has 2 World Cup wins and a Lions Series.
@Jet said in All Blacks v Springboks I:
@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks v Springboks I:
@Jet said in All Blacks v Springboks I:
@Canes4life said in All Blacks v Springboks I:
@kidcalder said in All Blacks v Springboks I:
Christie is there because of injuries, hopefully 1 or 2 will be back soon enough -otherwise be nice to see what Preston can do starting.
We really need to move on from BB at 10 Give Dmac the reins and Love to the benchWe definitely need to start giving Love more game time. We could easily have an injury crisis at 10 like we have at 9. He needs experience and they need to start giving him some.
This is what Rassie is doing, for better or worse.
He has 3 or 4 players in every position with 30 caps each come World Cup time.
He doesn't have a win at Eden Park
He has 2 World Cup wins and a Lions Series.
Sweet. His team shat the bed tonight presented with a golden opportunity. He has to own that.
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The problem is still the paucity of ideas or punch from the backline and the conservative selections. Love should have been given a shot in the second Argentinan test, but Robertson (worried about losing games primarily) appears to be shying away from succession planning. I wonder, too, whether they need to move JB out one to 13 and have Tupea starting at 12. It will be interesting to see whether they use Leicester F in the Wellington test - perhaps off the bench, with Jordan at 14, Love at 15 and Caleb Clarke at 11.
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@Old-Samurai-Jack there was one moment where we had created space for the kick, he ran from base with lots of room and sliced it off the side of his boot. Lineout on 22 after a sustained period on D. Execution in those moments says a lot about players. Jus not good enough.
@kev said in All Blacks v Springboks I:
@Old-Samurai-Jack there was one moment where we had created space for the kick, he ran from base with lots of room and sliced it off the side of his boot. Lineout on 22 after a sustained period on D. Execution in those moments says a lot about players. Jus not good enough.
It looked for all money that he simply panicked and was trying to clear as if he was under pressure.
Everything Christie does suggests he has no concept of the state of play. Hence that kick, delaying at rucks when we need fast ball, flapping his arms at the ref when he needs to concentrate on clearing the ball, etc.
If effort was what counted, I'd be a centurion. Alas my career was thwarted by execution.
