All Blacks vs Springboks II
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@Canes4life said in All Blacks vs Springboks II:
@jimmyb said in All Blacks vs Springboks II:
@booboo said in All Blacks vs Springboks II:
@Canes4life any changes will be just covering for injury so not delving too deep into speculative selecting.
I think Dmac starting at 15 would be stronger. But agree with giving Love some game time.
I do prefer Jacobsen on bench to Kirifi. But would prefer another big body there, which by default is Finau.
(FYI it's McAlister.)
How does Rassie react?
Etzebeth and Snyman in. Does he have any other options? The bench last night was uninspiring by Saffa standards.
Surely after Finau’s dogshite performances in the NPC and ABs this year puts him firmly out of contention
Yep a big no to Finau. It’s either Lakai or Jacobson for me.
LOL Fuck off.
Lakai has literally no body of work deserving of an All Blacks jersey. At least Finau has been busy doing the hard work in his limited opportunities. His cleans are excellent and his carries in close make ground. He's worth persisting with IMO.
LOL Fuck off.
Lakai has literally no body of work deserving of an All Blacks jersey. At least Finau has been busy doing the hard work in his limited opportunities. His cleans are excellent and his carries in close make ground. He's worth persisting with IMO.
Are you Finau’s mother?
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@antipodean said in All Blacks vs Springboks II:
@BerniesCorner said in All Blacks vs Springboks II:
I quite like changing to QT 12 JB 13 mid game.
Refresh my memory of the times Jordie has played 13.
https://all.rugby/player/jordie-barrett
Occupied positions by Jordie on start team :
Fullback : 91 times ( Fullback 51% )
Center : 77 times ( Inside Centre 38%, Outside Centre 4% )
Winger : 11 times ( Right Wing 6%, Left Wing 1% )
Fly-Half : 1 times ( Fly-Half 1% )@nostrildamus said in All Blacks vs Springboks II:
@antipodean said in All Blacks vs Springboks II:
@BerniesCorner said in All Blacks vs Springboks II:
I quite like changing to QT 12 JB 13 mid game.
Refresh my memory of the times Jordie has played 13.
https://all.rugby/player/jordie-barrett
Occupied positions by Jordie on start team :
Fullback : 91 times ( Fullback 51% )
Center : 77 times ( Inside Centre 38%, Outside Centre 4% )
Winger : 11 times ( Right Wing 6%, Left Wing 1% )
Fly-Half : 1 times ( Fly-Half 1% )So about eight ties in ~200 games. Presumably none of them for the All Blacks. Any of them recently for the Canes?
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@nostrildamus said in All Blacks vs Springboks II:
@antipodean said in All Blacks vs Springboks II:
@BerniesCorner said in All Blacks vs Springboks II:
I quite like changing to QT 12 JB 13 mid game.
Refresh my memory of the times Jordie has played 13.
https://all.rugby/player/jordie-barrett
Occupied positions by Jordie on start team :
Fullback : 91 times ( Fullback 51% )
Center : 77 times ( Inside Centre 38%, Outside Centre 4% )
Winger : 11 times ( Right Wing 6%, Left Wing 1% )
Fly-Half : 1 times ( Fly-Half 1% )So about eight ties in ~200 games. Presumably none of them for the All Blacks. Any of them recently for the Canes?
@antipodean said in All Blacks vs Springboks II:
@nostrildamus said in All Blacks vs Springboks II:
@antipodean said in All Blacks vs Springboks II:
@BerniesCorner said in All Blacks vs Springboks II:
I quite like changing to QT 12 JB 13 mid game.
Refresh my memory of the times Jordie has played 13.
https://all.rugby/player/jordie-barrett
Occupied positions by Jordie on start team :
Fullback : 91 times ( Fullback 51% )
Center : 77 times ( Inside Centre 38%, Outside Centre 4% )
Winger : 11 times ( Right Wing 6%, Left Wing 1% )
Fly-Half : 1 times ( Fly-Half 1% )So about eight ties in ~200 games. Presumably none of them for the All Blacks. Any of them recently for the Canes?
Fullback counts as 13. Just ask Cullen.
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LOL Fuck off.
Lakai has literally no body of work deserving of an All Blacks jersey. At least Finau has been busy doing the hard work in his limited opportunities. His cleans are excellent and his carries in close make ground. He's worth persisting with IMO.
Are you Finau’s mother?
@jimmyb said in All Blacks vs Springboks II:
LOL Fuck off.
Lakai has literally no body of work deserving of an All Blacks jersey. At least Finau has been busy doing the hard work in his limited opportunities. His cleans are excellent and his carries in close make ground. He's worth persisting with IMO.
Are you Finau’s mother?
Must be with that response.
Finau has been garbage lately, the only time he looks good is when he’s picking on small 10s. Can’t even make his tackles at NPC and was made to look very average the other week against Southland.
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@jimmyb said in All Blacks vs Springboks II:
LOL Fuck off.
Lakai has literally no body of work deserving of an All Blacks jersey. At least Finau has been busy doing the hard work in his limited opportunities. His cleans are excellent and his carries in close make ground. He's worth persisting with IMO.
Are you Finau’s mother?
Must be with that response.
Finau has been garbage lately, the only time he looks good is when he’s picking on small 10s. Can’t even make his tackles at NPC and was made to look very average the other week against Southland.
@Canes4life said in All Blacks vs Springboks II:
@jimmyb said in All Blacks vs Springboks II:
LOL Fuck off.
Lakai has literally no body of work deserving of an All Blacks jersey. At least Finau has been busy doing the hard work in his limited opportunities. His cleans are excellent and his carries in close make ground. He's worth persisting with IMO.
Are you Finau’s mother?
Must be with that response.
Finau has been garbage lately, the only time he looks good is when he’s picking on small 10s. Can’t even make his tackles at NPC and was made to look very average the other week against Southland.
Parker looks better than him already.
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@Canes4life said in All Blacks vs Springboks II:
@jimmyb said in All Blacks vs Springboks II:
LOL Fuck off.
Lakai has literally no body of work deserving of an All Blacks jersey. At least Finau has been busy doing the hard work in his limited opportunities. His cleans are excellent and his carries in close make ground. He's worth persisting with IMO.
Are you Finau’s mother?
Must be with that response.
Finau has been garbage lately, the only time he looks good is when he’s picking on small 10s. Can’t even make his tackles at NPC and was made to look very average the other week against Southland.
Parker looks better than him already.
@Jet said in All Blacks vs Springboks II:
@Canes4life said in All Blacks vs Springboks II:
@jimmyb said in All Blacks vs Springboks II:
LOL Fuck off.
Lakai has literally no body of work deserving of an All Blacks jersey. At least Finau has been busy doing the hard work in his limited opportunities. His cleans are excellent and his carries in close make ground. He's worth persisting with IMO.
Are you Finau’s mother?
Must be with that response.
Finau has been garbage lately, the only time he looks good is when he’s picking on small 10s. Can’t even make his tackles at NPC and was made to look very average the other week against Southland.
Parker looks better than him already.
@Jet said in All Blacks vs Springboks II:
@Canes4life said in All Blacks vs Springboks II:
@jimmyb said in All Blacks vs Springboks II:
LOL Fuck off.
Lakai has literally no body of work deserving of an All Blacks jersey. At least Finau has been busy doing the hard work in his limited opportunities. His cleans are excellent and his carries in close make ground. He's worth persisting with IMO.
Are you Finau’s mother?
Must be with that response.
Finau has been garbage lately, the only time he looks good is when he’s picking on small 10s. Can’t even make his tackles at NPC and was made to look very average the other week against Southland.
Parker looks better than him already.
If the chiefs are fully fit, Finau doesn’t even start
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@Canes4life said in All Blacks vs Springboks II:
@jimmyb said in All Blacks vs Springboks II:
LOL Fuck off.
Lakai has literally no body of work deserving of an All Blacks jersey. At least Finau has been busy doing the hard work in his limited opportunities. His cleans are excellent and his carries in close make ground. He's worth persisting with IMO.
Are you Finau’s mother?
Must be with that response.
Finau has been garbage lately, the only time he looks good is when he’s picking on small 10s. Can’t even make his tackles at NPC and was made to look very average the other week against Southland.
Parker looks better than him already.
@Jet said in All Blacks vs Springboks II:
@Canes4life said in All Blacks vs Springboks II:
@jimmyb said in All Blacks vs Springboks II:
LOL Fuck off.
Lakai has literally no body of work deserving of an All Blacks jersey. At least Finau has been busy doing the hard work in his limited opportunities. His cleans are excellent and his carries in close make ground. He's worth persisting with IMO.
Are you Finau’s mother?
Must be with that response.
Finau has been garbage lately, the only time he looks good is when he’s picking on small 10s. Can’t even make his tackles at NPC and was made to look very average the other week against Southland.
Parker looks better than him already.
Yep, Parker will be the find of the season for the ABs, balances that loose forward trio out really nicely.
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@Canes4life said in All Blacks vs Springboks II:
@jimmyb said in All Blacks vs Springboks II:
LOL Fuck off.
Lakai has literally no body of work deserving of an All Blacks jersey. At least Finau has been busy doing the hard work in his limited opportunities. His cleans are excellent and his carries in close make ground. He's worth persisting with IMO.
Are you Finau’s mother?
Must be with that response.
Finau has been garbage lately, the only time he looks good is when he’s picking on small 10s. Can’t even make his tackles at NPC and was made to look very average the other week against Southland.
Parker looks better than him already.
@Jet said in All Blacks vs Springboks II:
@Canes4life said in All Blacks vs Springboks II:
@jimmyb said in All Blacks vs Springboks II:
LOL Fuck off.
Lakai has literally no body of work deserving of an All Blacks jersey. At least Finau has been busy doing the hard work in his limited opportunities. His cleans are excellent and his carries in close make ground. He's worth persisting with IMO.
Are you Finau’s mother?
Must be with that response.
Finau has been garbage lately, the only time he looks good is when he’s picking on small 10s. Can’t even make his tackles at NPC and was made to look very average the other week against Southland.
Parker looks better than him already.
No argument, but the dribbling bullshit that he's been garbage from the same bloke pumping for yet another midget Canes forward is a joke.
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I will eat my pōtae if Beauden Barrett doesn’t start at 10. I fully expect him to be at 10.
10-12-13 to remain the same.
With Narawa out and I think Reece not suiting the Springbok tactics, they don’t have another natural right winger other than Jordan. Ioane has played on the right for the ABs, but that is some time ago. From what I saw of the Auckland game yesterday, Clarke seemed to come through okay, so could be in contention - unless they save him for the Aussies.
I’d much prefer Will at fullback and they fit someone else on to the right wing.
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@Jet said in All Blacks vs Springboks II:
@Canes4life said in All Blacks vs Springboks II:
@jimmyb said in All Blacks vs Springboks II:
LOL Fuck off.
Lakai has literally no body of work deserving of an All Blacks jersey. At least Finau has been busy doing the hard work in his limited opportunities. His cleans are excellent and his carries in close make ground. He's worth persisting with IMO.
Are you Finau’s mother?
Must be with that response.
Finau has been garbage lately, the only time he looks good is when he’s picking on small 10s. Can’t even make his tackles at NPC and was made to look very average the other week against Southland.
Parker looks better than him already.
No argument, but the dribbling bullshit that he's been garbage from the same bloke pumping for yet another midget Canes forward is a joke.
@antipodean said in All Blacks vs Springboks II:
@Jet said in All Blacks vs Springboks II:
@Canes4life said in All Blacks vs Springboks II:
@jimmyb said in All Blacks vs Springboks II:
LOL Fuck off.
Lakai has literally no body of work deserving of an All Blacks jersey. At least Finau has been busy doing the hard work in his limited opportunities. His cleans are excellent and his carries in close make ground. He's worth persisting with IMO.
Are you Finau’s mother?
Must be with that response.
Finau has been garbage lately, the only time he looks good is when he’s picking on small 10s. Can’t even make his tackles at NPC and was made to look very average the other week against Southland.
Parker looks better than him already.
No argument, but the dribbling bullshit that he's been garbage from the same bloke pumping for yet another midget Canes forward is a joke.
Somone's testy.
I haven't been pumping Lakai, I've just suggested him or Jacobson will be better bench options than Kirifi because they can cover more positions and they are both more suited to the test environment because of their larger frames.
Lol Finau has been average, go and watch his performance against Southland in the Shield game the other week. All Blacks should dominate at NPC level and standout. Finau stood out for the wrong reasons, whereas Lakai picked up the player of the match against Waikato in one of only two appearances this season.
How is Peter Lakai a midget for a 7? 1.86m and 109kg isn't exactly small. McCaw was 1.86m and 108kg so pretty much the same size and he wasn't half bad. Lakai is also 6kg heavier than both Kirifi and Savea who are 103kg, which goes back to my initial point about him being more suited to test level footy.
Your argument that Lakai "has literally no body of work deserving of an All Blacks jersey" is just bullshit. At the age of 22 he's already won two NPC titles, he's been the most consistent Canes forward for the last two seasons and he's not even close to reaching his ceiling. Not surprising that Razor came out and said he's a big part of their future plans.
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@antipodean said in All Blacks vs Springboks II:
@Jet said in All Blacks vs Springboks II:
@Canes4life said in All Blacks vs Springboks II:
@jimmyb said in All Blacks vs Springboks II:
LOL Fuck off.
Lakai has literally no body of work deserving of an All Blacks jersey. At least Finau has been busy doing the hard work in his limited opportunities. His cleans are excellent and his carries in close make ground. He's worth persisting with IMO.
Are you Finau’s mother?
Must be with that response.
Finau has been garbage lately, the only time he looks good is when he’s picking on small 10s. Can’t even make his tackles at NPC and was made to look very average the other week against Southland.
Parker looks better than him already.
No argument, but the dribbling bullshit that he's been garbage from the same bloke pumping for yet another midget Canes forward is a joke.
Somone's testy.
I haven't been pumping Lakai, I've just suggested him or Jacobson will be better bench options than Kirifi because they can cover more positions and they are both more suited to the test environment because of their larger frames.
Lol Finau has been average, go and watch his performance against Southland in the Shield game the other week. All Blacks should dominate at NPC level and standout. Finau stood out for the wrong reasons, whereas Lakai picked up the player of the match against Waikato in one of only two appearances this season.
How is Peter Lakai a midget for a 7? 1.86m and 109kg isn't exactly small. McCaw was 1.86m and 108kg so pretty much the same size and he wasn't half bad. Lakai is also 6kg heavier than both Kirifi and Savea who are 103kg, which goes back to my initial point about him being more suited to test level footy.
Your argument that Lakai "has literally no body of work deserving of an All Blacks jersey" is just bullshit. At the age of 22 he's already won two NPC titles, he's been the most consistent Canes forward for the last two seasons and he's not even close to reaching his ceiling. Not surprising that Razor came out and said he's a big part of their future plans.
@Canes4life said in All Blacks vs Springboks II:
I haven't been pumping Lakai,
In what parallel dimension are we now in?
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@Canes4life said in All Blacks vs Springboks II:
I haven't been pumping Lakai,
In what parallel dimension are we now in?
@antipodean said in All Blacks vs Springboks II:
@Canes4life said in All Blacks vs Springboks II:
I haven't been pumping Lakai,
In what parallel dimension are we now in?
A classic response from someone that has no argument.
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A Georgian ref next game I see
️@family-man said in All Blacks vs Springboks II:
A Georgian ref next game I see
️Well having just read all of the first test thread and the Black ferns one, we can rest assured that if any calls go our way @MiketheSnow will be sure to point them out.
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I think he is very much on the small side for 6 or 8, and I'm not convinced he has the speed for 7. Very good player no doubt and still young, but I certainly don't regard him as a sure thing for long term AB starter.
@reprobate said in All Blacks vs Springboks II:
I think he is very much on the small side for 6 or 8, and I'm not convinced he has the speed for 7. Very good player no doubt and still young, but I certainly don't regard him as a sure thing for long term AB starter.
Fair comments, he'd be quicker than all of Kirifi, Blackadder, Dalton and Jacobson as a 7 and I guess we won't know his best position until he actually gets more opportunity at international level.
I don't see him playing 6 unless he really needs to. I would see Sititi moving to 6 if Lakai came off the bench.
He's only 22 so I'd say over time he would put on another 2-4kg without losing his explosiveness. I'd like to see him play more 7 at Super level, I think 7 is his best position if he wants to make it at international level long term.
I think the biggest upside to Lakai is he is built differently to any 7 we've seen (even Savea). I've heard many people around the Wellington traps say that tackling him is like tackling a brick shithouse and seeing him up close you begin to understand why. A mix of genes from Guyana and Tonga makes for an impressive athlete.
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I think he is very much on the small side for 6 or 8, and I'm not convinced he has the speed for 7. Very good player no doubt and still young, but I certainly don't regard him as a sure thing for long term AB starter.
@reprobate said in All Blacks vs Springboks II:
I think he is very much on the small side for 6 or 8, and I'm not convinced he has the speed for 7. Very good player no doubt and still young, but I certainly don't regard him as a sure thing for long term AB starter.
He has promise and considerable potential upside, but only as an openside flanker if his engine is big enough. He's simply too small for 6 or 8 and there should be only one position for a bloke 6'2" in old money. Not two or three of them!
