All Blacks vs Springboks II

Bones

@MiketheSnow said in All Blacks vs Springboks II:

@game_film said in All Blacks vs Springboks II:

@Bones I can’t figure this one out. Would love for someone to educate me on what he’s missing, or does he just play for the wrong team.

Fakatavaiknow

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game_film

@MiketheSnow I’ve never connected his name in that way. But now I can’t unhear it. Bravo.

Nepia

@Bones said in All Blacks vs Springboks II:

@game_film said in All Blacks vs Springboks II:

@Bones I can’t figure this one out. Would love for someone to educate me on what he’s missing, or does he just play for the wrong team.

Thought he played really well in SR. Built nicely throughout the season, signed with NZR, positive media....then poof, nowhere to be seen.

Maybe the coaches are just that spiteful, Sotutu can't get a run because of his phone etiquette, and Fakatava turned Razor down when he tried to woo him to the Crusaders.

frugby

@pakman said in All Blacks vs Springboks II:

If the 9 from a lineout/maul does a box kick with long hang time it can potentially come down a couple of metres from touch, making recipient very vulnerable to being bundled into touch.
Seem to recall Conor Murray being great on that in test one of last Boks Lions series.

Yep, easier to pin a side on the sideline. Often the theory is not even to catch the box kick, but to nail the receiver and then drive over the ruck.

mariner4life

and that's our problem, not distance, but height. We kick it the required distance, but nowhere near high enough to get our chasers to arrive. So it's an uncontested catch and a simple 7-10m return.

ShaquilleOatmeal

Or the ball goes into touch, seemingly on purpose, gifting the opposition a lineout 30 metres out from the goal line.

reprobate

@Nepia said in All Blacks vs Springboks II:

@Bones said in All Blacks vs Springboks II:

@game_film said in All Blacks vs Springboks II:

@Bones I can’t figure this one out. Would love for someone to educate me on what he’s missing, or does he just play for the wrong team.

Thought he played really well in SR. Built nicely throughout the season, signed with NZR, positive media....then poof, nowhere to be seen.

Maybe the coaches are just that spiteful, Sotutu can't get a run because of his phone etiquette, and Fakatava turned Razor down when he tried to woo him to the Crusaders.

Don't forget Dalton: one little headbutt and you're on the outer?

KiwiMurph

@mariner4life said in All Blacks vs Springboks II:

and that's our problem, not distance, but height. We kick it the required distance, but nowhere near high enough to get our chasers to arrive. So it's an uncontested catch and a simple 7-10m return.

This applies to restarts too

Take a look at the second half restart

Just awful. Was deepish but it was the opposite of hanging - was flat - allowing the boks to catch it with ease and space to run forward leading to an easy exit.

frugby

Reece released to Southland. Hard to see him playing for the All Blacks again. Fainga’anuku released too

Chris

@frugby said in All Blacks vs Springboks II:

Reece released to Southland. Hard to see him playing for the All Blacks again. Fainga’anuku released too

Sam Darry also

kidcalder

Leicester on the bench for Ta$man so not going to be involved in test 2

Bovidae

Assuming Jordan at fullback is a certainty, this points to Rieko moving to the right wing.

frugby

@Bovidae the other thought I had was Rieko might be moving to 13, hence Fainga’anuku being released.

Otherwise Leroy Carter would have made more sense to be released?

mariner4life

@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks vs Springboks II:

@mariner4life said in All Blacks vs Springboks II:

and that's our problem, not distance, but height. We kick it the required distance, but nowhere near high enough to get our chasers to arrive. So it's an uncontested catch and a simple 7-10m return.

This applies to restarts too

Take a look at the second half restart

Just awful. Was deepish but it was the opposite of hanging - was flat - allowing the boks to catch it with ease and space to run forward leading to an easy exit.

there was a bomb BB put up i think off a lineout that didn't even make the advantage line and we STILL didn't recover

george33

Reiko on bench and Carter , Jordan wings
McKenzie 15 and apparently Christie is benched

No Quarter

I like the BB - DMac 10/15 combo, it has had success in the past, and it's worked much better than the Mo'unga - BB combo. Having a genuine playmaker at the back can take some heat off BB trying to create everything as well.

handa457

My assumption is our line up will be

Ethan De Groot
Samisoni T
Fletcher Newall
Scott Barrett
Tupou Vaii
Simon Parker
Ardie Savea
Wallace Sitti
Finley Christie
Beauden Barrett
Caleb Clarke
Jordie Barrett
Billy Proctor
Reiko Ioane
Will Jordan
Brodie M
Tamaiti Williams
Tyrel Lomax
Fabian Holland
Luke Jacobson
Noah Hotham
Damian Mckenzie
Quinn Tupea

Frank

@george33 said in All Blacks vs Springboks II:

Reiko on bench and Carter , Jordan wings
McKenzie 15 and apparently Christie is benched

Encouraging.
Showing they are adapting and learning.
DMac was far better than Jordan last week.
Suggests Clarke at 11.

kiwiinmelb

@george33 said in All Blacks vs Springboks II:

Reiko on bench and Carter , Jordan wings
McKenzie 15 and apparently Christie is benched

I heard something similar on the radio , same starting back 3 as that with reiko out of the 23 and love on the bench

Chris B.

@handa457 Won't be far away.

Three main questions:

(i) Which props start and which are on the bench. They may switch this around to create better matches for our guys.

(ii) Who is available at halfback and who plays where - Christie, Ratima, Hotham and Preston all somewhat in contention. I'm inclined to think Christie will be there - benched if Ratima is available, starting if paired with either Hotham or Preston.

(iii) How they configure the back three (and the bench cover).

The Silver Fern

All Blacks vs Springboks II