All Blacks vs Springboks II
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My assumption is our line up will be
- Ethan De Groot
- Samisoni T
- Fletcher Newall
- Scott Barrett
- Tupou Vaii
- Simon Parker
- Ardie Savea
- Wallace Sitti
- Finley Christie
- Beauden Barrett
- Caleb Clarke
- Jordie Barrett
- Billy Proctor
- Reiko Ioane
- Will Jordan
- Brodie M
- Tamaiti Williams
- Tyrel Lomax
- Fabian Holland
- Luke Jacobson
- Noah Hotham
- Damian Mckenzie
- Quinn Tupea
@handa457 Won't be far away.
Three main questions:
(i) Which props start and which are on the bench. They may switch this around to create better matches for our guys.
(ii) Who is available at halfback and who plays where - Christie, Ratima, Hotham and Preston all somewhat in contention. I'm inclined to think Christie will be there - benched if Ratima is available, starting if paired with either Hotham or Preston.
(iii) How they configure the back three (and the bench cover).
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@handa457 Won't be far away.
Three main questions:
(i) Which props start and which are on the bench. They may switch this around to create better matches for our guys.
(ii) Who is available at halfback and who plays where - Christie, Ratima, Hotham and Preston all somewhat in contention. I'm inclined to think Christie will be there - benched if Ratima is available, starting if paired with either Hotham or Preston.
(iii) How they configure the back three (and the bench cover).
@Chris-B said in All Blacks vs Springboks II:
@handa457 Won't be far away.
Three main questions:
(i) Which props start and which are on the bench. They may switch this around to create better matches for our guys.
(ii) Who is available at halfback and who plays where - Christie, Ratima, Hotham and Preston all somewhat in contention. I'm inclined to think Christie will be there - benched if Ratima is available, starting if paired with either Hotham or Preston.
(iii) How they configure the back three (and the bench cover).
Boks are playing a 6' 4" LH off the bench. I like the sound of Williams, McAlister and Newell on our bench. Plenty of cohesion.
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Liam Napier hinting that Leroy Carter could be in the 23 and usually his oil is impeccable but the actual article seems quite speculative by his standards.
@KiwiMurph His team: 15. Damian McKenzie, 14. Will Jordan, 13. Billy Proctor, 12. Jordie Barrett, 11. Leroy Carter/Caleb Clarke, 10. Beauden Barrett, 9. Noah Hotham, 8. Wallace Sititi, 7 .Ardie Savea, 6. Simon Parker, 5. Tupou Vaa’i, 4. Scott Barrett (c), 3. Tyrel Lomax, 2. Samisoni Taukei’aho, 1. Ethan de Groot. Replacements: 16. Brodie McAlister, 17. Tamaiti Williams, 18. Fletcher Newell, 19. Fabian Holland, 20. Du’Plessis Kirifi, 21. Finlay Christie, 22. Ruben Love, 23. Quinn Tupaea.
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I like the BB - DMac 10/15 combo, it has had success in the past, and it's worked much better than the Mo'unga - BB combo. Having a genuine playmaker at the back can take some heat off BB trying to create everything as well.
@No-Quarter said in All Blacks vs Springboks II:
I like the BB - DMac 10/15 combo, it has had success in the past, and it's worked much better than the Mo'unga - BB combo. Having a genuine playmaker at the back can take some heat off BB trying to create everything as well.
It was one of the interesting things about that failed '2 playmaker' time for me: DM + either was okay, BB + Mo'unga was godawful.
Not advocating for it, because as I'm sure most are aware by now I think BB should just get the arse, but it was interesting how one guy could make it work whoever he was paired with, and the other two couldn't manage it together. -
@george33 said in All Blacks vs Springboks II:
Reiko on bench and Carter , Jordan wings
McKenzie 15 and apparently Christie is benchedWho covers 12?
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I know Rieko has been away this week due to the death of his grandmother.
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@KiwiMurph His team: 15. Damian McKenzie, 14. Will Jordan, 13. Billy Proctor, 12. Jordie Barrett, 11. Leroy Carter/Caleb Clarke, 10. Beauden Barrett, 9. Noah Hotham, 8. Wallace Sititi, 7 .Ardie Savea, 6. Simon Parker, 5. Tupou Vaa’i, 4. Scott Barrett (c), 3. Tyrel Lomax, 2. Samisoni Taukei’aho, 1. Ethan de Groot. Replacements: 16. Brodie McAlister, 17. Tamaiti Williams, 18. Fletcher Newell, 19. Fabian Holland, 20. Du’Plessis Kirifi, 21. Finlay Christie, 22. Ruben Love, 23. Quinn Tupaea.
@pakman said in All Blacks vs Springboks II:
@KiwiMurph His team: 15. Damian McKenzie, 14. Will Jordan, 13. Billy Proctor, 12. Jordie Barrett, 11. Leroy Carter/Caleb Clarke, 10. Beauden Barrett, 9. Noah Hotham, 8. Wallace Sititi, 7 .Ardie Savea, 6. Simon Parker, 5. Tupou Vaa’i, 4. Scott Barrett (c), 3. Tyrel Lomax, 2. Samisoni Taukei’aho, 1. Ethan de Groot. Replacements: 16. Brodie McAlister, 17. Tamaiti Williams, 18. Fletcher Newell, 19. Fabian Holland, 20. Du’Plessis Kirifi, 21. Finlay Christie, 22. Ruben Love, 23. Quinn Tupaea.
Same backline I was told and yes was told Ruben Love will get his spot off the bench at home in Wellington. Left wing and halfback was undecided when I had the word given to me but still haven’t had that confirmation hence why I haven’t posted.
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Is Jacobson a roughy for a bench spot? Has he actually made it on to field for ABs so far this year?
@pakman said in All Blacks vs Springboks II:
Is Jacobson a roughy for a bench spot? Has he actually made it on to field for ABs so far this year?
He hasn't.
I don't think he actually adds a lot from the bench. If he's in the 23, I'd rather he was starting.
In saying that, I think he's a better bench option than Kirifi. Would prefer a Lakai or even a Finau over both of them, probably.
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@pakman said in All Blacks vs Springboks II:
@KiwiMurph His team: 15. Damian McKenzie, 14. Will Jordan, 13. Billy Proctor, 12. Jordie Barrett, 11. Leroy Carter/Caleb Clarke, 10. Beauden Barrett, 9. Noah Hotham, 8. Wallace Sititi, 7 .Ardie Savea, 6. Simon Parker, 5. Tupou Vaa’i, 4. Scott Barrett (c), 3. Tyrel Lomax, 2. Samisoni Taukei’aho, 1. Ethan de Groot. Replacements: 16. Brodie McAlister, 17. Tamaiti Williams, 18. Fletcher Newell, 19. Fabian Holland, 20. Du’Plessis Kirifi, 21. Finlay Christie, 22. Ruben Love, 23. Quinn Tupaea.
Same backline I was told and yes was told Ruben Love will get his spot off the bench at home in Wellington. Left wing and halfback was undecided when I had the word given to me but still haven’t had that confirmation hence why I haven’t posted.
@Landers92 the Myth of Dmac social media page posted a similar side
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Maybe a discussion for another thread but I just don’t think Jacobson is ever going to crack being a regular starter test level. I know he’s had his injury challenges but I feel like the time had passed him by.
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Maybe a discussion for another thread but I just don’t think Jacobson is ever going to crack being a regular starter test level. I know he’s had his injury challenges but I feel like the time had passed him by.
@zedsdeadbaby said in All Blacks vs Springboks II:
Maybe a discussion for another thread but I just don’t think Jacobson is ever going to crack being a regular starter test level. I know he’s had his injury challenges but I feel like the time had passed him by.
He's too jack-of-all-trades.
But maybe if he has another full season at 7 alongside Parker and Sititi then the combo would be worth preserving with, but there are some good loosies coming through so maybe not.
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Maybe a discussion for another thread but I just don’t think Jacobson is ever going to crack being a regular starter test level. I know he’s had his injury challenges but I feel like the time had passed him by.
@zedsdeadbaby said in All Blacks vs Springboks II:
Maybe a discussion for another thread but I just don’t think Jacobson is ever going to crack being a regular starter test level. I know he’s had his injury challenges but I feel like the time had passed him by.
He and Dalton feel like they are in the same boat. Their window is closing. Fast.
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@zedsdeadbaby said in All Blacks vs Springboks II:
Maybe a discussion for another thread but I just don’t think Jacobson is ever going to crack being a regular starter test level. I know he’s had his injury challenges but I feel like the time had passed him by.
He and Dalton feel like they are in the same boat. Their window is closing. Fast.
@canefan said in All Blacks vs Springboks II:
@zedsdeadbaby said in All Blacks vs Springboks II:
Maybe a discussion for another thread but I just don’t think Jacobson is ever going to crack being a regular starter test level. I know he’s had his injury challenges but I feel like the time had passed him by.
He and Dalton feel like they are in the same boat. Their window is closing. Fast.
I think Dalton would do pretty well between Sititi and Parker.
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@pakman said in All Blacks vs Springboks II:
@KiwiMurph His team: 15. Damian McKenzie, 14. Will Jordan, 13. Billy Proctor, 12. Jordie Barrett, 11. Leroy Carter/Caleb Clarke, 10. Beauden Barrett, 9. Noah Hotham, 8. Wallace Sititi, 7 .Ardie Savea, 6. Simon Parker, 5. Tupou Vaa’i, 4. Scott Barrett (c), 3. Tyrel Lomax, 2. Samisoni Taukei’aho, 1. Ethan de Groot. Replacements: 16. Brodie McAlister, 17. Tamaiti Williams, 18. Fletcher Newell, 19. Fabian Holland, 20. Du’Plessis Kirifi, 21. Finlay Christie, 22. Ruben Love, 23. Quinn Tupaea.
Same backline I was told and yes was told Ruben Love will get his spot off the bench at home in Wellington. Left wing and halfback was undecided when I had the word given to me but still haven’t had that confirmation hence why I haven’t posted.
@Landers92 said in All Blacks vs Springboks II:
@pakman said in All Blacks vs Springboks II:
@KiwiMurph His team: 15. Damian McKenzie, 14. Will Jordan, 13. Billy Proctor, 12. Jordie Barrett, 11. Leroy Carter/Caleb Clarke, 10. Beauden Barrett, 9. Noah Hotham, 8. Wallace Sititi, 7 .Ardie Savea, 6. Simon Parker, 5. Tupou Vaa’i, 4. Scott Barrett (c), 3. Tyrel Lomax, 2. Samisoni Taukei’aho, 1. Ethan de Groot. Replacements: 16. Brodie McAlister, 17. Tamaiti Williams, 18. Fletcher Newell, 19. Fabian Holland, 20. Du’Plessis Kirifi, 21. Finlay Christie, 22. Ruben Love, 23. Quinn Tupaea.
Same backline I was told and yes was told Ruben Love will get his spot off the bench at home in Wellington. Left wing and halfback was undecided when I had the word given to me but still haven’t had that confirmation hence why I haven’t posted.
Word is that Hotham has looked pretty sharp so far, but some more work outs tomorrow.
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@canefan said in All Blacks vs Springboks II:
@zedsdeadbaby said in All Blacks vs Springboks II:
Maybe a discussion for another thread but I just don’t think Jacobson is ever going to crack being a regular starter test level. I know he’s had his injury challenges but I feel like the time had passed him by.
He and Dalton feel like they are in the same boat. Their window is closing. Fast.
I think Dalton would do pretty well between Sititi and Parker.
@Mr-Fish said in All Blacks vs Springboks II:
@canefan said in All Blacks vs Springboks II:
@zedsdeadbaby said in All Blacks vs Springboks II:
Maybe a discussion for another thread but I just don’t think Jacobson is ever going to crack being a regular starter test level. I know he’s had his injury challenges but I feel like the time had passed him by.
He and Dalton feel like they are in the same boat. Their window is closing. Fast.
I think Dalton would do pretty well between Sititi and Parker.
Razor doesn't seem to agree
