All Blacks vs Springboks II
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@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks vs Springboks II:
@Stockcar86 said in All Blacks vs Springboks II:
If they get rid of Roberston and Holland I fully expect Mark Robinson to replace them with Rob Penny and Matt Todd
Robertson is Robinson's boy. Too much invested in him.
Isn't Robinson leaving?
@canefan said in All Blacks vs Springboks II:
@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks vs Springboks II:
@Stockcar86 said in All Blacks vs Springboks II:
If they get rid of Roberston and Holland I fully expect Mark Robinson to replace them with Rob Penny and Matt Todd
Robertson is Robinson's boy. Too much invested in him.
Isn't Robinson leaving?
Thankfully. May take some time to clean up what seems to be an almighty mess.
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@Frank said in All Blacks vs Springboks II:
Ain't gonna happen after the way he and Foster were treated
@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks vs Springboks II:
@Frank said in All Blacks vs Springboks II:
Ain't gonna happen after the way he and Foster were treated
Yep all the eggs are in the Robertson basket and he just chucked them all on the floor and stamped on them
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This has probably been said.
What an absolute disgrace. Biggest loss for the All Blacks in history.
Time for Razor to get the Ian Foster treatment. It is fully justified. No more excuses for him. Never seen an All Blacks team so inconsistent.
@Landers92 said in All Blacks vs Springboks II:
This has probably been said.
What an absolute disgrace. Biggest loss for the All Blacks in history.
Time for Razor to get the Ian Foster treatment. It is fully justified. No more excuses for him. Never seen an All Blacks team so inconsistent.
I'm struggling to remember watching an AB team give up.
Great "culture" Razor is building.
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This has probably been said.
What an absolute disgrace. Biggest loss for the All Blacks in history.
Time for Razor to get the Ian Foster treatment. It is fully justified. No more excuses for him. Never seen an All Blacks team so inconsistent.
@Landers92 said in All Blacks vs Springboks II:
This has probably been said.
What an absolute disgrace. Biggest loss for the All Blacks in history.
Time for Razor to get the Ian Foster treatment. It is fully justified. No more excuses for him. Never seen an All Blacks team so inconsistent.
I’m not expecting to hear anything out of camp after a result like this but if I hear anything worthy of sharing you better believe I’ll be posting it. Will throw it in the 2025 thread if so.
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@stodders said in All Blacks vs Springboks II:
@Darth-Sader said in All Blacks vs Springboks II:
@Duluth said in All Blacks vs Springboks II:
@Darth-Sader said in All Blacks vs Springboks II:
Give it to him Reado
Haha. He’s a sycophant. Part of the problem.
Yeah, but that’s about as hardball as I’ve ever seen Read
His legacy is being trashed. He’s angry
TBF, he was captain of the ABs when the legacy started being trashed ... this rot started under him and Hansen.
@Nepia said in All Blacks vs Springboks II:
@stodders said in All Blacks vs Springboks II:
@Darth-Sader said in All Blacks vs Springboks II:
@Duluth said in All Blacks vs Springboks II:
@Darth-Sader said in All Blacks vs Springboks II:
Give it to him Reado
Haha. He’s a sycophant. Part of the problem.
Yeah, but that’s about as hardball as I’ve ever seen Read
His legacy is being trashed. He’s angry
TBF, he was captain of the ABs when the legacy started being trashed ... this rot started under him and Hansen.
Master of the wide-eyed panic stare
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On the personnel side, not really sure who you could even pick to vastly turn the team's fortunes around.
Halfbacks are all injured, McKenzie is a better option at 10 than Barrett sure, do your drop Jordie to fullback and being Clarke in on the wing? What's the best possible midfield combination?
In the forwards, maybe Barrett has to go I'd say he and Holland perform a very similar role to the same level. Loose forward trio will get there in time. McAlister had a couple of yips throwing in but no better options there and the props are the best NZ has to offer.
Boks were probably about 10-15 points better tonight and then momentum carried them the rest of the way.
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Major problem tonight was the game plan.
I barely remember us using our forwards. It was all pass it deeper and deeper to a backline who were static. Or some type of retarded kick that will come off once in a blue moon.
BB is cooked, let’s get DMac in there and start using his superior passing game. And blood a couple of young 10’s who’s first instinct isn’t to kick the ball away.
We’ve picked big bodies in the forwards, so why can’t we use them properly. Let’s get them crashing onto the ball at full pace instead of getting it flat footed.
Watching SA running onto the ball into space was great to watch, reminds me of what we used to do many moons ago.
Some honesty from those in charge would be nice too. Fuck off with your bullshit and tell it how it is, we sucked and we sucked fucking badly.
First problem to solve is find wingers who can catch a god damn box kick, or find someone who can teach us very quickly. All of their momentum came from catching kicks.
And fuck that stupid stadium, why do we keep playing there?
You can tell beaudie is really not comfortable with contact anymore. He gives several hospitals a game when hes caught with no options as opposed to taking it in. You look at Sascha especially and how he challenges the line and see how much difference it can make. Or Libbok who doesnt hit the line as much - he puts pin point bombs up.
Ive been a semi BB apologist for a while now, but i really think now his game is not working
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If you are looking for perfect reverse indicators, Gregor Paul is hard to beat. Here he is just four days ago. I read this at the time and thought to myself ‘well there’s the kiss of death’
https://www.rugbypass.com/plus/are-the-all-blacks-refinding-their-groove-as-the-worlds-no-1-team/
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On the personnel side, not really sure who you could even pick to vastly turn the team's fortunes around.
Halfbacks are all injured, McKenzie is a better option at 10 than Barrett sure, do your drop Jordie to fullback and being Clarke in on the wing? What's the best possible midfield combination?
In the forwards, maybe Barrett has to go I'd say he and Holland perform a very similar role to the same level. Loose forward trio will get there in time. McAlister had a couple of yips throwing in but no better options there and the props are the best NZ has to offer.
Boks were probably about 10-15 points better tonight and then momentum carried them the rest of the way.
@Mr-Fish said in All Blacks vs Springboks II:
On the personnel side, not really sure who you could even pick to vastly turn the team's fortunes around.
Halfbacks are all injured, McKenzie is a better option at 10 than Barrett sure, do your drop Jordie to fullback and being Clarke in on the wing? What's the best possible midfield combination?
In the forwards, maybe Barrett has to go I'd say he and Holland perform a very similar role to the same level. Loose forward trio will get there in time. McAlister had a couple of yips throwing in but no better options there and the props are the best NZ has to offer.
Boks were probably about 10-15 points better tonight and then momentum carried them the rest of the way.
lol
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On the personnel side, not really sure who you could even pick to vastly turn the team's fortunes around.
Halfbacks are all injured, McKenzie is a better option at 10 than Barrett sure, do your drop Jordie to fullback and being Clarke in on the wing? What's the best possible midfield combination?
In the forwards, maybe Barrett has to go I'd say he and Holland perform a very similar role to the same level. Loose forward trio will get there in time. McAlister had a couple of yips throwing in but no better options there and the props are the best NZ has to offer.
Boks were probably about 10-15 points better tonight and then momentum carried them the rest of the way.
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We all saw this performance coming. We don’t play enough rugby, our backs kick poorly and are constantly handing the ball back needlessly. Strategy, players (decision making) or both. That’s the thing that Razor needs to fix. When we got behind that weakness in our game came to the fore and we saw it for what a steaming pile of shit it is.
Tonight the forwards also had an off night - while the scrum struggled in a phase where Boks dominate world rugby, the bigger issue was the lineout where we didn’t execute - leaking points and missing scoring opportunities. The gap from Codie Taylor to the others is large.
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Wow, Razor looks clueless. Laura lobbing him soft balls.
@Darth-Sader said in All Blacks vs Springboks II:
Wow, Razor looks clueless. Laura lobbing him soft balls.
"looks"?
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@Mr-Fish said in All Blacks vs Springboks II:
Loose forward trio will get there in time
No they won't.
@Tim said in All Blacks vs Springboks II:
@Mr-Fish said in All Blacks vs Springboks II:
Loose forward trio will get there in time
No they won't.
You don't think they were good last week?
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On the personnel side, not really sure who you could even pick to vastly turn the team's fortunes around.
Halfbacks are all injured, McKenzie is a better option at 10 than Barrett sure, do your drop Jordie to fullback and being Clarke in on the wing? What's the best possible midfield combination?
In the forwards, maybe Barrett has to go I'd say he and Holland perform a very similar role to the same level. Loose forward trio will get there in time. McAlister had a couple of yips throwing in but no better options there and the props are the best NZ has to offer.
Boks were probably about 10-15 points better tonight and then momentum carried them the rest of the way.
@Mr-Fish said in All Blacks vs Springboks II:
On the personnel side, not really sure who you could even pick to vastly turn the team's fortunes around.
Halfbacks are all injured, McKenzie is a better option at 10 than Barrett sure, do your drop Jordie to fullback and being Clarke in on the wing? What's the best possible midfield combination?
In the forwards, maybe Barrett has to go I'd say he and Holland perform a very similar role to the same level. Loose forward trio will get there in time. McAlister had a couple of yips throwing in but no better options there and the props are the best NZ has to offer.
Boks were probably about 10-15 points better tonight and then momentum carried them the rest of the way.
Well the best midfield combination is one that has a bit of size, strength, can pass, and can tackle. So not the current two
Holland had a good run against the French C team but what exactly has he done in the past 3 matches? Is he even better than Darry?
2/3 of The loose forward trio are allergic to rucks and tackling hard.
De Groot isn’t a top prop in NZ. Lomax looks like he running on one leg. McAlister is dogshite
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Scott Barrett shouldn't be captain.
Beauden Barrett shouldn't be First Five.
We need Hookers who can throw.
Dalton Papalii should be our 7.
We need to choose between Ardie Savea and Wallace Sititi at 8. You can't play both of them.
Hoskins Sotutu should be in the squad.
Peter Lakai is a much better bench option that Kirifi.
Finley Christie. Nice guy but not really a Test 9.
Billy Proctor. Unconvincing to put it kindly.
Caleb Clarke should start at 11. Ruben Love at 15.
Someone needs to coach Will Jordan how to deal with the high ball.
We need a specialist high ball coach.
We need a specialist scrum coach.
We need to look urgently at what happens at half time and why we are continually so bad in the second half. -
This has probably been said.
What an absolute disgrace. Biggest loss for the All Blacks in history.
Time for Razor to get the Ian Foster treatment. It is fully justified. No more excuses for him. Never seen an All Blacks team so inconsistent.
@Landers92 said in All Blacks vs Springboks II:
This has probably been said.
What an absolute disgrace. Biggest loss for the All Blacks in history.
Time for Razor to get the Ian Foster treatment. It is fully justified. No more excuses for him. Never seen an All Blacks team so inconsistent.
I've never seen an AB team simply give up. Play like shit, yes, but never throw in the towel.
