All Blacks vs Springboks II
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@Nepia said in All Blacks vs Springboks II:
@stodders said in All Blacks vs Springboks II:
@Darth-Sader said in All Blacks vs Springboks II:
@Duluth said in All Blacks vs Springboks II:
@Darth-Sader said in All Blacks vs Springboks II:
Give it to him Reado
Haha. He’s a sycophant. Part of the problem.
Yeah, but that’s about as hardball as I’ve ever seen Read
His legacy is being trashed. He’s angry
TBF, he was captain of the ABs when the legacy started being trashed ... this rot started under him and Hansen.
SBW's red card in test 2.
Ground Zero.
@Jet said in All Blacks vs Springboks II:
@Nepia said in All Blacks vs Springboks II:
@stodders said in All Blacks vs Springboks II:
@Darth-Sader said in All Blacks vs Springboks II:
@Duluth said in All Blacks vs Springboks II:
@Darth-Sader said in All Blacks vs Springboks II:
Give it to him Reado
Haha. He’s a sycophant. Part of the problem.
Yeah, but that’s about as hardball as I’ve ever seen Read
His legacy is being trashed. He’s angry
TBF, he was captain of the ABs when the legacy started being trashed ... this rot started under him and Hansen.
SBW's red card in test 2.
Ground Zero.
Crazy isn’t it. You can actually pinpoint the exact moment the All Black’s legacy turned.
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Also doesn’t help our “spiritual captain” is bum boys with the captain of our supposed arch nemesis. Ridiculous how soft and friendly this team has become
@jimmyb said in All Blacks vs Springboks II:
Also doesn’t help our “spiritual captain” is bum boys with the captain of our supposed arch nemesis. Ridiculous how soft and friendly this team has become
"Uncle Siya, Uncle Siya".....Ardies daughter was filmed exclaiming.
Ardie Savea shouting "this is my house" after the turnover last week tell you all you need to know.
Like the attempted chip and chase at the end of this game.
Ardie Savea's favourite player is Ardie Savea.
The perfect player for the cult of personality age we live in.
All fur coat and no knickers the lot of them.
McCaw didnt even have social media for most of his career.
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@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks vs Springboks II:
@Frank said in All Blacks vs Springboks II:
Ain't gonna happen after the way he and Foster were treated
Who needs to be fired to get him to come back?
@canefan said in All Blacks vs Springboks II:
@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks vs Springboks II:
@Frank said in All Blacks vs Springboks II:
Ain't gonna happen after the way he and Foster were treated
Who needs to be fired to get him to come back?
From reading Whitelock and Foster's book, Start with the whole board and the comms staff.. NZR seems to have been taken over by ego-centric managers who have completely lost the plot and what's important to NZ rugby
Kirk taking over is a good thing. Businessman who's been around and clearly knows how to build management teams and bring people with him.
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I divide my officers into four classes as follows: the clever, the industrious, the lazy, and the stupid. Each officer always possesses two of these qualities. Those who are clever and industrious I appoint to the General Staff. Use can under certain circumstances be made of those who are stupid and lazy. The man who is clever and lazy qualifies for the highest leadership posts. He has the requisite and the mental clarity for difficult decisions. But whoever is stupid and industrious must be got rid of, for he is too dangerous.
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This has probably been said.
What an absolute disgrace. Biggest loss for the All Blacks in history.
Time for Razor to get the Ian Foster treatment. It is fully justified. No more excuses for him. Never seen an All Blacks team so inconsistent.
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@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks vs Springboks II:
@Stockcar86 said in All Blacks vs Springboks II:
If they get rid of Roberston and Holland I fully expect Mark Robinson to replace them with Rob Penny and Matt Todd
Robertson is Robinson's boy. Too much invested in him.
Isn't Robinson leaving?
@canefan said in All Blacks vs Springboks II:
@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks vs Springboks II:
@Stockcar86 said in All Blacks vs Springboks II:
If they get rid of Roberston and Holland I fully expect Mark Robinson to replace them with Rob Penny and Matt Todd
Robertson is Robinson's boy. Too much invested in him.
Isn't Robinson leaving?
Thankfully. May take some time to clean up what seems to be an almighty mess.
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@Frank said in All Blacks vs Springboks II:
Ain't gonna happen after the way he and Foster were treated
@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks vs Springboks II:
@Frank said in All Blacks vs Springboks II:
Ain't gonna happen after the way he and Foster were treated
Yep all the eggs are in the Robertson basket and he just chucked them all on the floor and stamped on them
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This has probably been said.
What an absolute disgrace. Biggest loss for the All Blacks in history.
Time for Razor to get the Ian Foster treatment. It is fully justified. No more excuses for him. Never seen an All Blacks team so inconsistent.
@Landers92 said in All Blacks vs Springboks II:
This has probably been said.
What an absolute disgrace. Biggest loss for the All Blacks in history.
Time for Razor to get the Ian Foster treatment. It is fully justified. No more excuses for him. Never seen an All Blacks team so inconsistent.
I'm struggling to remember watching an AB team give up.
Great "culture" Razor is building.
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This has probably been said.
What an absolute disgrace. Biggest loss for the All Blacks in history.
Time for Razor to get the Ian Foster treatment. It is fully justified. No more excuses for him. Never seen an All Blacks team so inconsistent.
@Landers92 said in All Blacks vs Springboks II:
This has probably been said.
What an absolute disgrace. Biggest loss for the All Blacks in history.
Time for Razor to get the Ian Foster treatment. It is fully justified. No more excuses for him. Never seen an All Blacks team so inconsistent.
I’m not expecting to hear anything out of camp after a result like this but if I hear anything worthy of sharing you better believe I’ll be posting it. Will throw it in the 2025 thread if so.
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@stodders said in All Blacks vs Springboks II:
@Darth-Sader said in All Blacks vs Springboks II:
@Duluth said in All Blacks vs Springboks II:
@Darth-Sader said in All Blacks vs Springboks II:
Give it to him Reado
Haha. He’s a sycophant. Part of the problem.
Yeah, but that’s about as hardball as I’ve ever seen Read
His legacy is being trashed. He’s angry
TBF, he was captain of the ABs when the legacy started being trashed ... this rot started under him and Hansen.
@Nepia said in All Blacks vs Springboks II:
@stodders said in All Blacks vs Springboks II:
@Darth-Sader said in All Blacks vs Springboks II:
@Duluth said in All Blacks vs Springboks II:
@Darth-Sader said in All Blacks vs Springboks II:
Give it to him Reado
Haha. He’s a sycophant. Part of the problem.
Yeah, but that’s about as hardball as I’ve ever seen Read
His legacy is being trashed. He’s angry
TBF, he was captain of the ABs when the legacy started being trashed ... this rot started under him and Hansen.
Master of the wide-eyed panic stare
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On the personnel side, not really sure who you could even pick to vastly turn the team's fortunes around.
Halfbacks are all injured, McKenzie is a better option at 10 than Barrett sure, do your drop Jordie to fullback and being Clarke in on the wing? What's the best possible midfield combination?
In the forwards, maybe Barrett has to go I'd say he and Holland perform a very similar role to the same level. Loose forward trio will get there in time. McAlister had a couple of yips throwing in but no better options there and the props are the best NZ has to offer.
Boks were probably about 10-15 points better tonight and then momentum carried them the rest of the way.
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Major problem tonight was the game plan.
I barely remember us using our forwards. It was all pass it deeper and deeper to a backline who were static. Or some type of retarded kick that will come off once in a blue moon.
BB is cooked, let’s get DMac in there and start using his superior passing game. And blood a couple of young 10’s who’s first instinct isn’t to kick the ball away.
We’ve picked big bodies in the forwards, so why can’t we use them properly. Let’s get them crashing onto the ball at full pace instead of getting it flat footed.
Watching SA running onto the ball into space was great to watch, reminds me of what we used to do many moons ago.
Some honesty from those in charge would be nice too. Fuck off with your bullshit and tell it how it is, we sucked and we sucked fucking badly.
First problem to solve is find wingers who can catch a god damn box kick, or find someone who can teach us very quickly. All of their momentum came from catching kicks.
And fuck that stupid stadium, why do we keep playing there?
You can tell beaudie is really not comfortable with contact anymore. He gives several hospitals a game when hes caught with no options as opposed to taking it in. You look at Sascha especially and how he challenges the line and see how much difference it can make. Or Libbok who doesnt hit the line as much - he puts pin point bombs up.
Ive been a semi BB apologist for a while now, but i really think now his game is not working
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If you are looking for perfect reverse indicators, Gregor Paul is hard to beat. Here he is just four days ago. I read this at the time and thought to myself ‘well there’s the kiss of death’
https://www.rugbypass.com/plus/are-the-all-blacks-refinding-their-groove-as-the-worlds-no-1-team/
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On the personnel side, not really sure who you could even pick to vastly turn the team's fortunes around.
Halfbacks are all injured, McKenzie is a better option at 10 than Barrett sure, do your drop Jordie to fullback and being Clarke in on the wing? What's the best possible midfield combination?
In the forwards, maybe Barrett has to go I'd say he and Holland perform a very similar role to the same level. Loose forward trio will get there in time. McAlister had a couple of yips throwing in but no better options there and the props are the best NZ has to offer.
Boks were probably about 10-15 points better tonight and then momentum carried them the rest of the way.
@Mr-Fish said in All Blacks vs Springboks II:
On the personnel side, not really sure who you could even pick to vastly turn the team's fortunes around.
Halfbacks are all injured, McKenzie is a better option at 10 than Barrett sure, do your drop Jordie to fullback and being Clarke in on the wing? What's the best possible midfield combination?
In the forwards, maybe Barrett has to go I'd say he and Holland perform a very similar role to the same level. Loose forward trio will get there in time. McAlister had a couple of yips throwing in but no better options there and the props are the best NZ has to offer.
Boks were probably about 10-15 points better tonight and then momentum carried them the rest of the way.
lol
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On the personnel side, not really sure who you could even pick to vastly turn the team's fortunes around.
Halfbacks are all injured, McKenzie is a better option at 10 than Barrett sure, do your drop Jordie to fullback and being Clarke in on the wing? What's the best possible midfield combination?
In the forwards, maybe Barrett has to go I'd say he and Holland perform a very similar role to the same level. Loose forward trio will get there in time. McAlister had a couple of yips throwing in but no better options there and the props are the best NZ has to offer.
Boks were probably about 10-15 points better tonight and then momentum carried them the rest of the way.
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We all saw this performance coming. We don’t play enough rugby, our backs kick poorly and are constantly handing the ball back needlessly. Strategy, players (decision making) or both. That’s the thing that Razor needs to fix. When we got behind that weakness in our game came to the fore and we saw it for what a steaming pile of shit it is.
Tonight the forwards also had an off night - while the scrum struggled in a phase where Boks dominate world rugby, the bigger issue was the lineout where we didn’t execute - leaking points and missing scoring opportunities. The gap from Codie Taylor to the others is large.
