All Blacks 2025
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@Tim said in All Blacks 2025:
Is Darry available for the next game? Would be an upgrade on the shit served up today.
I think Va’ai and Holland are the starting locks. Patty T (when fit) is the impact lock (and brings leadership off the bench). That is tough on Scott Barrett, but he needs to work himself back into form and being a starter.
Which means ABs need a new captain. And I’m not sure who that is. I don’t think it should be Savea, because again the coaches need to get the backrow balance right.
Cody Taylor maybe in the interim? When fit, he’s a certain starter. If not Taylor, then who? Because there aren’t many players in the squad that scream certain starter and inspirational leader
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@Tim said in All Blacks 2025:
Is Darry available for the next game? Would be an upgrade on the shit served up today.
I think Va’ai and Holland are the starting locks. Patty T (when fit) is the impact lock (and brings leadership off the bench). That is tough on Scott Barrett, but he needs to work himself back into form and being a starter.
Which means ABs need a new captain. And I’m not sure who that is. I don’t think it should be Savea, because again the coaches need to get the backrow balance right.
Cody Taylor maybe in the interim? When fit, he’s a certain starter. If not Taylor, then who? Because there aren’t many players in the squad that scream certain starter and inspirational leader
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The player led approach instilled under Henry requires leaders in the team to hold each other to account. I get the impression that leadership team is based more on feels than pragmatism at the moment. Which means management have to take more control of the players as they are struggling to make good decisions on the pitch.
Strip the game plan back and make things a lot simpler. Build from the basics. And no chip kicks in your own half!
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@Bones Depth in the 23 isn't up to it. Our bench is often shithouse, and our starting loose forwards are dire.
In NZ we definitely have the depth, if it is selected.
@Tim said in All Blacks 2025:
@Bones Depth in the 23 isn't up to it. Our bench is often shithouse, and our starting loose forwards are dire.
In NZ we definitely have the depth, if it is selected.
And developed.
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Regarding Jamie Joseph as an AB coach: has produced some terrible results (worst team in the competition) and has overseen a squad with serious criminal problems. Would be a massive risk for NZR to let him anywhere near the team.
@Tim said in All Blacks 2025:
Regarding Jamie Joseph as an AB coach: has produced some terrible results (worst team in the competition) and has overseen a squad with serious criminal problems. Would be a massive risk for NZR to let him anywhere near the team.
He would need to be part of a team, not necessarily the head coach.
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@Tim said in All Blacks 2025:
Regarding Jamie Joseph as an AB coach: has produced some terrible results (worst team in the competition) and has overseen a squad with serious criminal problems. Would be a massive risk for NZR to let him anywhere near the team.
He would need to be part of a team, not necessarily the head coach.
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Scott Robertson has been found out as a massive dud and should be relieved of his duties.
Just pay the compensation and let him go.
I'd approach Jamie Joseph and Vern Cotter to be the caretakers for the Bledisloe Cup, then Joe Schmidt as the new boss for the EOYT through to the World Cup campaign.
@sparky said in All Blacks 2025:
Scott Robertson has been found out as a massive dud and should be relieved of his duties.
Just pay the compensation and let him go.
I'd approach Jamie Joseph and Vern Cotter to be the caretakers for the Bledisloe Cup, then Joe Schmidt as the new boss for the EOYT through to the World Cup campaign.
Jamie Joseph is not the coach you think he is. One good year with the highlanders (with an incredibly good squad), took over a Japanese team built by Eddie jones and actually delivered worse results over all. Two years at the sun wolves was a shit show.
Comes back to the highlanders and they’re actually worse than they were post season. The bloke can’t coach without Tony brown. You’d be replacing a Canterbury yes man with an Otago yes man
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@sparky said in All Blacks 2025:
Scott Robertson has been found out as a massive dud and should be relieved of his duties.
Just pay the compensation and let him go.
I'd approach Jamie Joseph and Vern Cotter to be the caretakers for the Bledisloe Cup, then Joe Schmidt as the new boss for the EOYT through to the World Cup campaign.
Jamie Joseph is not the coach you think he is. One good year with the highlanders (with an incredibly good squad), took over a Japanese team built by Eddie jones and actually delivered worse results over all. Two years at the sun wolves was a shit show.
Comes back to the highlanders and they’re actually worse than they were post season. The bloke can’t coach without Tony brown. You’d be replacing a Canterbury yes man with an Otago yes man
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Let's not go down the "Sack Foster - he's the root of all the problems in NZ rugby" road again. We all know how that worked out with Coach Jesus
Take a deep breath, stay calm, identify the problems & their causes and then devise and implement an improvement plan. Maybe some short-term actions - just make sure they aren't kicking cans down the road.
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@jimmyb I've never seen Jamie Joseph's sides give up which is definitely one up on Scott Robertson. We can't have an All Blacks coach who creates a culture where players stop playing for the jersey. He needs to go!
@sparky said in All Blacks 2025:
I've never seen Jamie Joseph's sides give up which is definitely one up on Scott Robertson
I've seen shit play and panic, but I've never seen ANY AB coaches side give up. Today was a first.
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@sparky said in All Blacks 2025:
I've never seen Jamie Joseph's sides give up which is definitely one up on Scott Robertson
I've seen shit play and panic, but I've never seen ANY AB coaches side give up. Today was a first.
@Victor-Meldrew Which is exactly why I think, with regret, Scott Robertson needs to be shown the door.
He didn't help himself with an appalling post-match press conference as well.
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@sparky said in All Blacks 2025:
Scott Robertson has been found out as a massive dud and should be relieved of his duties.
Just pay the compensation and let him go.
I'd approach Jamie Joseph and Vern Cotter to be the caretakers for the Bledisloe Cup, then Joe Schmidt as the new boss for the EOYT through to the World Cup campaign.
Jamie Joseph is not the coach you think he is. One good year with the highlanders (with an incredibly good squad), took over a Japanese team built by Eddie jones and actually delivered worse results over all. Two years at the sun wolves was a shit show.
Comes back to the highlanders and they’re actually worse than they were post season. The bloke can’t coach without Tony brown. You’d be replacing a Canterbury yes man with an Otago yes man
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Even in the post match presser you can see Robertson looking at Scooter mid question as if to say "can you answer this one for me?".
There is not an Alpha Male "ive got this" vibe off him at all.
You can imagine them all laughing and dancing to music when he walks into the changing room as opposed to the aura an Alex Ferguson would hold, where you would be afraid to even make eye contact.
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@jimmyb There's also a lot of bad culture, bad player stuff with Joseph. Don't want him anywhere near the ABs
@Tim Needs must, but yeah perhaps Vern Cotter or Warren Gatland or Milton Haig would be a better interim HC until or if Joe Schmidt is available.
What seems obvious to me is that Scott Robertson cannot continue as All Blacks Head Coach. We've reached the end of that road.
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Has there been any stuff on how the players interact with Robertson? We heard loads of stuff on how Foster worked with the players.
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Has there been any stuff on how the players interact with Robertson? We heard loads of stuff on how Foster worked with the players.
