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All Blacks 2025

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  • sparkyS sparky

    @MiketheSnow He's leaving Australia at the end of the Rugby Championship and Les Kiss will take over as Wallabies job.

    Joe Schmidt is going to be living back in NZ. Whether he would take the AB's Head Coaching job, given personal matters, is not certain.

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    @sparky said in All Blacks 2025:

    @MiketheSnow He's leaving Australia at the end of the Rugby Championship and Les Kiss will take over as Wallabies job.

    Joe Schmidt is going to be living back in NZ. Whether he would take the AB's Head Coaching job, given personal matters, is not certain.

    Is it Kiss or Fisher?

    Schmidt needs to be involved in NZ rugby in any way they can. Director of Rugby, Head of Performance, Skills coach, coaching mentor, technical advisor - none of these roles require copious amounts of travelling that would suit Schmidt.

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      @sparky said in All Blacks 2025:

      @MiketheSnow He's leaving Australia at the end of the Rugby Championship and Les Kiss will take over as Wallabies job.

      Joe Schmidt is going to be living back in NZ. Whether he would take the AB's Head Coaching job, given personal matters, is not certain.

      Is it Kiss or Fisher?

      Schmidt needs to be involved in NZ rugby in any way they can. Director of Rugby, Head of Performance, Skills coach, coaching mentor, technical advisor - none of these roles require copious amounts of travelling that would suit Schmidt.

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      @stodders Kiss is new head coach.

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        @sparky said in All Blacks 2025:

        @MiketheSnow He's leaving Australia at the end of the Rugby Championship and Les Kiss will take over as Wallabies job.

        Joe Schmidt is going to be living back in NZ. Whether he would take the AB's Head Coaching job, given personal matters, is not certain.

        Is it Kiss or Fisher?

        Schmidt needs to be involved in NZ rugby in any way they can. Director of Rugby, Head of Performance, Skills coach, coaching mentor, technical advisor - none of these roles require copious amounts of travelling that would suit Schmidt.

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        @stodders Les Kiss.

        https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Les_Kiss

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          This is how Rieko Ioane played at the 2023 World Cup on attack (under Schmidt). He was bloody good:

          Now the shit coaches have him out of form on attack. He is still our best defensive back by far though, and dropping him for Proctor was moronic. He was our best player against Ireland last year.

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            Lovely break by Ioane in the France pool game too. Why can't we give one of the best players space anymore? Same rush defense

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            • BonesB Bones

              @Tim said in All Blacks 2025:

              The thing that hasn't changed from the worst Foster period is that we are a bad performance every second game team. We have even worse losses now though.

              I can't recall, but I thought we had a habit of starting poorly and coming back in the final quarter under foster? That final quarter under Robertson is the elephant in the room. So much for headspace.

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              @Bones said in All Blacks 2025:

              @Tim said in All Blacks 2025:

              The thing that hasn't changed from the worst Foster period is that we are a bad performance every second game team. We have even worse losses now though.

              I can't recall, but I thought we had a habit of starting poorly and coming back in the final quarter under foster? That final quarter under Robertson is the elephant in the room. So much for headspace.

              We didn't panic in the last quarter though. We gave up.

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                @Tim said in All Blacks 2025:

                @MiketheSnow Always on a short contract. Has a seriously ill child he needs to be close too.

                Technical advisor for the ABs would be great for Schmidt. Or skills coach. He wouldn’t need to travel so much. ABs need someone to take over from Wayne Smith in the innovation stakes. Could do a lot worse than Schmidt. He creates high performing environments. Maybe Director of NZ Rugby?

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                @stodders said in All Blacks 2025:

                @Tim said in All Blacks 2025:

                @MiketheSnow Always on a short contract. Has a seriously ill child he needs to be close too.

                Technical advisor for the ABs would be great for Schmidt. Or skills coach. He wouldn’t need to travel so much. ABs need someone to take over from Wayne Smith in the innovation stakes. Could do a lot worse than Schmidt. He creates high performing environments. Maybe Director of NZ Rugby?

                From his comments, that'd only happen if Scott Robertson had nothing to do with the All Blacks

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                  Is Darry available for the next game? Would be an upgrade on the shit served up today.

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                    Yeah Les Kiss.
                    He was a great player, if you told me 40 years ago he was guna be the Wallabies coach, i'd a said you were crazy.
                    Played for the defunct Valleys club too; same club as Wally Lewis..

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                    • TimT Tim

                      Is Darry available for the next game? Would be an upgrade on the shit served up today.

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                      @Tim said in All Blacks 2025:

                      Is Darry available for the next game? Would be an upgrade on the shit served up today.

                      I think Va’ai and Holland are the starting locks. Patty T (when fit) is the impact lock (and brings leadership off the bench). That is tough on Scott Barrett, but he needs to work himself back into form and being a starter.

                      Which means ABs need a new captain. And I’m not sure who that is. I don’t think it should be Savea, because again the coaches need to get the backrow balance right.

                      Cody Taylor maybe in the interim? When fit, he’s a certain starter. If not Taylor, then who? Because there aren’t many players in the squad that scream certain starter and inspirational leader 🤔

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                        @Tim said in All Blacks 2025:

                        Is Darry available for the next game? Would be an upgrade on the shit served up today.

                        I think Va’ai and Holland are the starting locks. Patty T (when fit) is the impact lock (and brings leadership off the bench). That is tough on Scott Barrett, but he needs to work himself back into form and being a starter.

                        Which means ABs need a new captain. And I’m not sure who that is. I don’t think it should be Savea, because again the coaches need to get the backrow balance right.

                        Cody Taylor maybe in the interim? When fit, he’s a certain starter. If not Taylor, then who? Because there aren’t many players in the squad that scream certain starter and inspirational leader 🤔

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                        @stodders said in All Blacks 2025:

                        Cody Taylor maybe in the interim

                        Probably a good shout, and there are few other 1st choice players.

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                          The player led approach instilled under Henry requires leaders in the team to hold each other to account. I get the impression that leadership team is based more on feels than pragmatism at the moment. Which means management have to take more control of the players as they are struggling to make good decisions on the pitch.

                          Strip the game plan back and make things a lot simpler. Build from the basics. And no chip kicks in your own half!

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                            Regarding Jamie Joseph as an AB coach: has produced some terrible results (worst team in the competition) and has overseen a squad with serious criminal problems. Would be a massive risk for NZR to let him anywhere near the team.

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                              @Bones Depth in the 23 isn't up to it. Our bench is often shithouse, and our starting loose forwards are dire.

                              In NZ we definitely have the depth, if it is selected.

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                              @Tim said in All Blacks 2025:

                              @Bones Depth in the 23 isn't up to it. Our bench is often shithouse, and our starting loose forwards are dire.

                              In NZ we definitely have the depth, if it is selected.

                              And developed.

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                              • TimT Tim

                                Regarding Jamie Joseph as an AB coach: has produced some terrible results (worst team in the competition) and has overseen a squad with serious criminal problems. Would be a massive risk for NZR to let him anywhere near the team.

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                                @Tim said in All Blacks 2025:

                                Regarding Jamie Joseph as an AB coach: has produced some terrible results (worst team in the competition) and has overseen a squad with serious criminal problems. Would be a massive risk for NZR to let him anywhere near the team.

                                He would need to be part of a team, not necessarily the head coach.

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                                  @Tim said in All Blacks 2025:

                                  Regarding Jamie Joseph as an AB coach: has produced some terrible results (worst team in the competition) and has overseen a squad with serious criminal problems. Would be a massive risk for NZR to let him anywhere near the team.

                                  He would need to be part of a team, not necessarily the head coach.

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                                  @stodders Don't think so. More often than not he is a risk and a failure.

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                                    Greg Feek is available as a scrum coach - he turned Renata into a weapon.

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                                    • sparkyS sparky

                                      Scott Robertson has been found out as a massive dud and should be relieved of his duties.

                                      Just pay the compensation and let him go.

                                      I'd approach Jamie Joseph and Vern Cotter to be the caretakers for the Bledisloe Cup, then Joe Schmidt as the new boss for the EOYT through to the World Cup campaign.

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                                      @sparky said in All Blacks 2025:

                                      Scott Robertson has been found out as a massive dud and should be relieved of his duties.

                                      Just pay the compensation and let him go.

                                      I'd approach Jamie Joseph and Vern Cotter to be the caretakers for the Bledisloe Cup, then Joe Schmidt as the new boss for the EOYT through to the World Cup campaign.

                                      Jamie Joseph is not the coach you think he is. One good year with the highlanders (with an incredibly good squad), took over a Japanese team built by Eddie jones and actually delivered worse results over all. Two years at the sun wolves was a shit show.

                                      Comes back to the highlanders and they’re actually worse than they were post season. The bloke can’t coach without Tony brown. You’d be replacing a Canterbury yes man with an Otago yes man

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                                        @sparky said in All Blacks 2025:

                                        Scott Robertson has been found out as a massive dud and should be relieved of his duties.

                                        Just pay the compensation and let him go.

                                        I'd approach Jamie Joseph and Vern Cotter to be the caretakers for the Bledisloe Cup, then Joe Schmidt as the new boss for the EOYT through to the World Cup campaign.

                                        Jamie Joseph is not the coach you think he is. One good year with the highlanders (with an incredibly good squad), took over a Japanese team built by Eddie jones and actually delivered worse results over all. Two years at the sun wolves was a shit show.

                                        Comes back to the highlanders and they’re actually worse than they were post season. The bloke can’t coach without Tony brown. You’d be replacing a Canterbury yes man with an Otago yes man

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                                        @jimmyb I've never seen Jamie Joseph's sides give up which is definitely one up on Scott Robertson. We can't have an All Blacks coach who creates a culture where players stop playing for the jersey. He needs to go!

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                                          Let's not go down the "Sack Foster - he's the root of all the problems in NZ rugby" road again. We all know how that worked out with Coach Jesus

                                          Take a deep breath, stay calm, identify the problems & their causes and then devise and implement an improvement plan. Maybe some short-term actions - just make sure they aren't kicking cans down the road.

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