All Blacks 2025
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@Jet said in All Blacks 2025:
Beauden Barrett has 28 more caps than Daniel Carter.
Beauden Barrett has had 2.33 Christian Cullen careers.
Beauden Barrett has 8 more caps than 2 x Israel Dagg careers.
If Beauden Barrett is ignoring the gameplan, then he should be jettisoned.
I don’t think he is though. The issue isn’t really with Beauden Barrett, is it?
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@stodders said in All Blacks 2025:
@Jet said in All Blacks 2025:
Beauden Barrett has 28 more caps than Daniel Carter.
Beauden Barrett has had 2.33 Christian Cullen careers.
Beauden Barrett has 8 more caps than 2 x Israel Dagg careers.
If Beauden Barrett is ignoring the gameplan, then he should be jettisoned.
I don’t think he is though. The issue isn’t really with Beauden Barrett, is it?
The buck stops with Razor
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I don’t care how good/average Beaudy is right now. The way I look at it, he’s going to be 37 at the RWC. Do we really want a 37 year old running the show?? NZ Rugby has never learned to move on from certain players and it’s frustrating to see.
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@upthelanders said in All Blacks 2025:
I don’t care how good/average Beaudy is right now. The way I look at it, he’s going to be 37 at the RWC. Do we really want a 37 year old running the show?? NZ Rugby has never learned to move on from certain players and it’s frustrating to see.
There is not moving on, and there is not moving on.
He should have never got to 100, never mind 140.
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@Jet Exactly. They’re too scared to take some risks and give some players the experience that they need, just like what Rassie has done with his 45!! man squad.
Honestly the number 1 thing I’d do against the Wallabies is start Ruben Love at 10.
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@Jet said in All Blacks 2025:
@upthelanders said in All Blacks 2025:
I don’t care how good/average Beaudy is right now. The way I look at it, he’s going to be 37 at the RWC. Do we really want a 37 year old running the show?? NZ Rugby has never learned to move on from certain players and it’s frustrating to see.
There is not moving on, and there is not moving on.
He should have never got to 100, never mind 140.
When BB went off to Japan last time it should have been the end. The team is being held to ransom by Razor's selection policy and his inability to deal with Ardie and more crucially BB
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It makes it even more frustrating when you see teams like the Wallabies who have players like Joseph Sua’ali’i who just turned 22 btw with 10 test caps already.
Another example, Max Jorgensen who has just turned 21 already has 13 Test Caps.
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@upthelanders said in All Blacks 2025:
It makes it even more frustrating when you see teams like the Wallabies who have players like Joseph Sua’ali’i who just turned 22 btw with 10 test caps already.
Another example, Max Jorgensen who has just turned 21 already has 13 Test Caps.
Meanwhile it's old timers day with the ABs
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@upthelanders said in All Blacks 2025:
It makes it even more frustrating when you see teams like the Wallabies who have players like Joseph Sua’ali’i who just turned 22 btw with 10 test caps already.
Another example, Max Jorgensen who has just turned 21 already has 13 Test Caps.
ABs have youth in their team too with experience. Sititi (23), Holland (22), Roigard (24).
The ABs aren't an old team if you take out the over 30s from the squad - Savea, S. Barrett, Tuipolotu, Taylor. ALB and McKenzie are only 30 too.
Aside from Savea and Taylor, which is of these stands above their younger counterparts? And even then, is Savea the future when compared with Sititi?
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@Jet said in All Blacks 2025:
@DurryMexted said in All Blacks 2025:
I cant help but think about the clip of Harry Wilson in extra time against Arg last week when they had just won a penalty. Thinks for a moment, looks at his team, points directly at the corner then turns around and screams at his forwards with belief.
The guy is 25 years old, 20 something caps. Has been there through some fucking shit wallabies seasons over the past few years. Lifted the team. Not that hes the perfect player but fuck it feels like something the all blacks need. I dont know who could bring that for us, but it feels like its not there.
I feel like everyone thinks ardie is like that, but i actually dont think ardie would believe in his team as much as he just believes in himself. Jordie to be fair plays with his heart but Im not sure hes up for bossing his older brothers/older team mates around like he needs to. I dont know. Roigard really seems like that kind of no-nonsense operator and works fucking hard, but needs to keep fit for a while first.
I do think the team lacks men.
In the old sense....I know this sounds like such a dinosaur thing to say, but when I look at Reinach I see a man. When I look at Roigard I see a boy.
Same for PSDT, Etzebeth, Marx and the rest. Men.
We are an easy on the eye, well manicured, clean shaven, well spoken bunch.
Roigard literally shits all over Reinach so I'm missing the point being made here.
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@canefan said in All Blacks 2025:
@stodders said in All Blacks 2025:
@Jet said in All Blacks 2025:
Beauden Barrett has 28 more caps than Daniel Carter.
Beauden Barrett has had 2.33 Christian Cullen careers.
Beauden Barrett has 8 more caps than 2 x Israel Dagg careers.
If Beauden Barrett is ignoring the gameplan, then he should be jettisoned.
I don’t think he is though. The issue isn’t really with Beauden Barrett, is it?
The buck stops with Razor
And starts
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@kpkanz said in All Blacks 2025:
@Jet said in All Blacks 2025:
@DurryMexted said in All Blacks 2025:
I cant help but think about the clip of Harry Wilson in extra time against Arg last week when they had just won a penalty. Thinks for a moment, looks at his team, points directly at the corner then turns around and screams at his forwards with belief.
The guy is 25 years old, 20 something caps. Has been there through some fucking shit wallabies seasons over the past few years. Lifted the team. Not that hes the perfect player but fuck it feels like something the all blacks need. I dont know who could bring that for us, but it feels like its not there.
I feel like everyone thinks ardie is like that, but i actually dont think ardie would believe in his team as much as he just believes in himself. Jordie to be fair plays with his heart but Im not sure hes up for bossing his older brothers/older team mates around like he needs to. I dont know. Roigard really seems like that kind of no-nonsense operator and works fucking hard, but needs to keep fit for a while first.
I do think the team lacks men.
In the old sense....I know this sounds like such a dinosaur thing to say, but when I look at Reinach I see a man. When I look at Roigard I see a boy.
Same for PSDT, Etzebeth, Marx and the rest. Men.
We are an easy on the eye, well manicured, clean shaven, well spoken bunch.
Roigard literally shits all over Reinach so I'm missing the point being made here.
We know Roigard’s potential, but Reinach is a seasoned veteran now. That experience insulates him when things don’t go right. It means he reacts less emotionally too.
We don’t know how Roigard would fare when things aren’t going well. He may well add to the chaos rather be the cool head to navigate through it.
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@kpkanz said in All Blacks 2025:
@Jet said in All Blacks 2025:
@DurryMexted said in All Blacks 2025:
I cant help but think about the clip of Harry Wilson in extra time against Arg last week when they had just won a penalty. Thinks for a moment, looks at his team, points directly at the corner then turns around and screams at his forwards with belief.
The guy is 25 years old, 20 something caps. Has been there through some fucking shit wallabies seasons over the past few years. Lifted the team. Not that hes the perfect player but fuck it feels like something the all blacks need. I dont know who could bring that for us, but it feels like its not there.
I feel like everyone thinks ardie is like that, but i actually dont think ardie would believe in his team as much as he just believes in himself. Jordie to be fair plays with his heart but Im not sure hes up for bossing his older brothers/older team mates around like he needs to. I dont know. Roigard really seems like that kind of no-nonsense operator and works fucking hard, but needs to keep fit for a while first.
I do think the team lacks men.
In the old sense....I know this sounds like such a dinosaur thing to say, but when I look at Reinach I see a man. When I look at Roigard I see a boy.
Same for PSDT, Etzebeth, Marx and the rest. Men.
We are an easy on the eye, well manicured, clean shaven, well spoken bunch.
Roigard literally shits all over Reinach so I'm missing the point being made here.
As good as Roigard is he’s made of glass
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@MiketheSnow said in All Blacks 2025:
@kpkanz said in All Blacks 2025:
@Jet said in All Blacks 2025:
@DurryMexted said in All Blacks 2025:
I cant help but think about the clip of Harry Wilson in extra time against Arg last week when they had just won a penalty. Thinks for a moment, looks at his team, points directly at the corner then turns around and screams at his forwards with belief.
The guy is 25 years old, 20 something caps. Has been there through some fucking shit wallabies seasons over the past few years. Lifted the team. Not that hes the perfect player but fuck it feels like something the all blacks need. I dont know who could bring that for us, but it feels like its not there.
I feel like everyone thinks ardie is like that, but i actually dont think ardie would believe in his team as much as he just believes in himself. Jordie to be fair plays with his heart but Im not sure hes up for bossing his older brothers/older team mates around like he needs to. I dont know. Roigard really seems like that kind of no-nonsense operator and works fucking hard, but needs to keep fit for a while first.
I do think the team lacks men.
In the old sense....I know this sounds like such a dinosaur thing to say, but when I look at Reinach I see a man. When I look at Roigard I see a boy.
Same for PSDT, Etzebeth, Marx and the rest. Men.
We are an easy on the eye, well manicured, clean shaven, well spoken bunch.
Roigard literally shits all over Reinach so I'm missing the point being made here.
As good as Roigard is he’s made of glass
Plenty of young players are as they develop. Especially when they are adding weight and their bodies get used to managing that extra load. Then they work out how best to train and the rest of nutrition they need and injuries tend to reduce. Takes time though.
NZ’s issue is an over reliance on one player with a specific set of skills. In fairness, they have a decent stable of 9s in Roigard, Ratima and Hotham but are going through hell of an injury run in that position.
Aside from France, if you took your top 3 SHs out of any team, they would be similarly impacted. It is at that point that the coaches need to tweak the gameplan based on the players they actually have available, not based on the gameplan they want to play.
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@kpkanz said in All Blacks 2025:
@Jet said in All Blacks 2025:
@DurryMexted said in All Blacks 2025:
I cant help but think about the clip of Harry Wilson in extra time against Arg last week when they had just won a penalty. Thinks for a moment, looks at his team, points directly at the corner then turns around and screams at his forwards with belief.
The guy is 25 years old, 20 something caps. Has been there through some fucking shit wallabies seasons over the past few years. Lifted the team. Not that hes the perfect player but fuck it feels like something the all blacks need. I dont know who could bring that for us, but it feels like its not there.
I feel like everyone thinks ardie is like that, but i actually dont think ardie would believe in his team as much as he just believes in himself. Jordie to be fair plays with his heart but Im not sure hes up for bossing his older brothers/older team mates around like he needs to. I dont know. Roigard really seems like that kind of no-nonsense operator and works fucking hard, but needs to keep fit for a while first.
I do think the team lacks men.
In the old sense....I know this sounds like such a dinosaur thing to say, but when I look at Reinach I see a man. When I look at Roigard I see a boy.
Same for PSDT, Etzebeth, Marx and the rest. Men.
We are an easy on the eye, well manicured, clean shaven, well spoken bunch.
Roigard literally shits all over Reinach so I'm missing the point being made here.
I just meant optically.
We are a youthful, fresh faced nice team to play.
"Uncle Siya, Uncle Siya"
The jolly old allblacks indeed. Great bunch of lads.
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@Jet said in All Blacks 2025:
@kpkanz said in [All Blacks 2025]
I just meant optically.
We are a youthful, fresh faced nice team to play.
"Uncle Siya, Uncle Siya"
The jolly old allblacks indeed. Great bunch of lads.
Fair.
Although tbh I feel like we have more assholes in the team than ever. It's just that they're also massive losers used to losing so they also look extremely bitter while being twats.
Case in point, Rieko is one of the biggest twats we've ever had, Whitelock was a twat, Scott looks like a twat, we have a lot of unlikable players/faces.
Compared to the golden age of McCaw/Carter/Mealamu/Conrad/Rokocoko/Mils/Jane etc etc
The team was full of nice guys..who were also so clearly dominant and completely comfortable with themselves that they didn't have to act like spoilt children on the field like some of our current loser players do.
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@kpkanz said in All Blacks 2025:
@Jet said in All Blacks 2025:
@kpkanz said in [All Blacks 2025]
I just meant optically.
We are a youthful, fresh faced nice team to play.
"Uncle Siya, Uncle Siya"
The jolly old allblacks indeed. Great bunch of lads.
Fair.
Although tbh I feel like we have more assholes in the team than ever. It's just that they're also massive losers used to losing so they also look extremely bitter while being twats.
Case in point, Rieko is one of the biggest twats we've ever had, Whitelock was a twat, Scott looks like a twat, we have a lot of unlikable players/faces.
Compared to the golden age of McCaw/Carter/Mealamu/Conrad/Rokocoko/Mils/Jane etc etc
The team was full of nice guys..who were also so clearly dominant and completely comfortable with themselves that they didn't have to act like spoilt children on the field like some of our current loser players do.
I would never call McCaw or Mealamu or most of that squad "nice". They weren't dickheads, but they were ruthless pro's.
Mealamu was sending players back to their hotel rooms for coming down to breakfast in singlets as it was uncouth and ill-befitting of professionals.
McCaw wouldnt even take on a serious romantic relationship until his career was essentially over.
They were aloof, unapproachable pro's.
Roy Keane gives out stink about players swapping jerseys at half time, smiling in the tunnel, handshakes pre game etc. He won 7 premier leagues.
You can do all the "uncle Siya, uncle Siya" stuff on the podcast circuit post career.
Siya was stood in the world rugby awards side by side with Ardie saying "im so proud of him" and patting Sititi on the head last year after his debut.
Kolisi should be getting spat out the back of our rucks covered in stud marks, not patronising our so called star players.
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@kpkanz said in All Blacks 2025:
@Jet said in All Blacks 2025:
@kpkanz said in [All Blacks 2025]
I just meant optically.
We are a youthful, fresh faced nice team to play.
"Uncle Siya, Uncle Siya"
The jolly old allblacks indeed. Great bunch of lads.
Fair.
Although tbh I feel like we have more assholes in the team than ever. It's just that they're also massive losers used to losing so they also look extremely bitter while being twats.
Case in point, Rieko is one of the biggest twats we've ever had, Whitelock was a twat, Scott looks like a twat, we have a lot of unlikable players/faces.
Compared to the golden age of McCaw/Carter/Mealamu/Conrad/Rokocoko/Mils/Jane etc etc
The team was full of nice guys..who were also so clearly dominant and completely comfortable with themselves that they didn't have to act like spoilt children on the field like some of our current loser players do.
Remember the first time we did kapa o pango against the Boks?
I turned to my brother and said "they are fucking getting it today". You could see it, feel it.
This bunch has no mongrel. No guys happy to run around and just wreck the opposition.
Like PSDT does/did in the RWC final for example.Just revel in smashing people.
Remember how Collins put manners on Chabal?
We have guys sea gulling on the wing and looking for a Hollywood pilfer. But these highlights are not going to get us where we need to be.
We need head down arse up grunt. Like we got from the Franks brothers, Brad Thorn, Retallick, Kaino etc
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NZ is a small country, and people talk, a lot. It is also a very mediocre country, mostly run by low potential people. Not quite a Kakistocracy, but getting there. Anyway, the rumours are flying, but some of them are good.
Scott Hansen is not rated by many of the players, and his communication is poor. The forgotten backs coach is fed up with Robertson, and has been shut out.
Perhaps of most interest for us posters is that the coaches regard DMac as an idiot who cannot follow instructions, and think that Bueaden Barrett's kicking game is excellent, and if you do not appreciate it, then you do not understand rugby.
Make of that what you will.
I would not say that it bodes well.
