All Blacks vs Springboks II
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@hydro11 said in All Blacks vs Springboks II:
@Kiwidom said in All Blacks vs Springboks II:
When will nzrfu admit that breaking away from sth African super teams has seriously damaged us..super doesn't prepare us for this type of physical rugby
But South Africa chose to broke away? Not us?
Erroneous.
The reality is, during COVID, travel restrictions from the Hermit Kingdom left SA teams with no real option but to head north. Let’s not pretend they had much choice when NZ and AU cooked up a shared comp and left SA out in the cold.
Mark Robinson should've spent less time nodding along at Jacinda’s Fortress NZ routine and more time safeguarding the future of Super Rugby.
@PN said in All Blacks vs Springboks II:
The reality is, during COVID, travel restrictions from the Hermit Kingdom left SA teams with no real option but to head north. Let’s not pretend they had much choice when NZ and AU cooked up a shared comp and left SA out in the cold.
Argentina didn't cry about it. They turned up and made history.
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@PN said in All Blacks vs Springboks II:
The reality is, during COVID, travel restrictions from the Hermit Kingdom left SA teams with no real option but to head north. Let’s not pretend they had much choice when NZ and AU cooked up a shared comp and left SA out in the cold.
Argentina didn't cry about it. They turned up and made history.
@NTA said in All Blacks vs Springboks II:
@PN said in All Blacks vs Springboks II:
The reality is, during COVID, travel restrictions from the Hermit Kingdom left SA teams with no real option but to head north. Let’s not pretend they had much choice when NZ and AU cooked up a shared comp and left SA out in the cold.
Argentina didn't cry about it. They turned up and made history.
Have you finished watching the match back yet? Intrigued to know your thoughts.
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@NTA said in All Blacks vs Springboks II:
@PN said in All Blacks vs Springboks II:
The reality is, during COVID, travel restrictions from the Hermit Kingdom left SA teams with no real option but to head north. Let’s not pretend they had much choice when NZ and AU cooked up a shared comp and left SA out in the cold.
Argentina didn't cry about it. They turned up and made history.
Have you finished watching the match back yet? Intrigued to know your thoughts.
@stodders said in All Blacks vs Springboks II:
@NTA said in All Blacks vs Springboks II:
@PN said in All Blacks vs Springboks II:
The reality is, during COVID, travel restrictions from the Hermit Kingdom left SA teams with no real option but to head north. Let’s not pretend they had much choice when NZ and AU cooked up a shared comp and left SA out in the cold.
Argentina didn't cry about it. They turned up and made history.
Have you finished watching the match back yet? Intrigued to know your thoughts.
Nah got caught holiday planning.
21 minutes in. That first AB try has me wondering what all the lack-of-skills talk was about
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@stodders said in All Blacks vs Springboks II:
@NTA said in All Blacks vs Springboks II:
@PN said in All Blacks vs Springboks II:
The reality is, during COVID, travel restrictions from the Hermit Kingdom left SA teams with no real option but to head north. Let’s not pretend they had much choice when NZ and AU cooked up a shared comp and left SA out in the cold.
Argentina didn't cry about it. They turned up and made history.
Have you finished watching the match back yet? Intrigued to know your thoughts.
Nah got caught holiday planning.
21 minutes in. That first AB try has me wondering what all the lack-of-skills talk was about
@NTA said in All Blacks vs Springboks II:
@stodders said in All Blacks vs Springboks II:
@NTA said in All Blacks vs Springboks II:
@PN said in All Blacks vs Springboks II:
The reality is, during COVID, travel restrictions from the Hermit Kingdom left SA teams with no real option but to head north. Let’s not pretend they had much choice when NZ and AU cooked up a shared comp and left SA out in the cold.
Argentina didn't cry about it. They turned up and made history.
Have you finished watching the match back yet? Intrigued to know your thoughts.
Nah got caught holiday planning.
21 minutes in. That first AB try has me wondering what all the lack-of-skills talk was about
You watched the first act. Act 2 begins shortly. Then act 3 is the entire second half.
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Fist half thoughts:
Early on the ABs looked good if a little shaky under line speed pressure.
The first AB try was very nice. The intercept from Kolbe was a lack of eyes-up play by Proctor. Could have scored at the other end but the pace got to him.
Vaai is a dickhead. Not really a profound observation
maybe he should concentrate on pushing at scrums instead of clapping and laughing?Wiesse is the avatar of rip and tear.
Boks scrum going great guns with 30 gone.
B Barrett looking ponderous and slow. He doesn't like heavy traffic. Failed to exit right before half-time which was a basic bitch error.
New Bok winger is bloody useful.
AB defensive line noticeably crooked. Pushing hard in the first 2 channels but lagging a bit wider.
AB Lineout at 35:50 - wtf happened??
Everyone playing as frantically as a virgin couple on their wedding night. With about as satisfying a result.
Lot of injuries and HIA.
Impression: Boks are ascendant but not finishing their opportunities. ABs are attacking from depth - too deep IMHO - but lacking a bit of subtlety; not much in the way of deception.
Bed time. Second half tomorrow.
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Some actual analysis albeit for less than 2 minutes
(https://www.facebook.com/share/v/1CbPJFxyCM/?mibextid=wwXIfr)
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Some actual analysis albeit for less than 2 minutes
(https://www.facebook.com/share/v/1CbPJFxyCM/?mibextid=wwXIfr)
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@Tim Mils providing two clear examples that BB kicked when he shouldn’t have - first when we were down 7 points and we had acres of space out wide with players aligned for in attack and limited Bok defenders. Terrible play.
Second we are now down by 14 and a miracle chip when we had numbers out wide and space but didn’t use it. Big momentum turner when the Boks recovered the ball and kicked it down the line into their 22.
That’s not team tactics but blinkered play from our 1st 5.
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@Tim Mils providing two clear examples that BB kicked when he shouldn’t have - first when we were down 7 points and we had acres of space out wide with players aligned for in attack and limited Bok defenders. Terrible play.
Second we are now down by 14 and a miracle chip when we had numbers out wide and space but didn’t use it. Big momentum turner when the Boks recovered the ball and kicked it down the line into their 22.
That’s not team tactics but blinkered play from our 1st 5.
@ACT-Crusader Cheers. Thanks for the effort post.
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Word of advice from Europe. Get rid of BB. It beggars belief that NZ do not have a better fly half than him or that they continue to use him.
Years from now you’ll look back and say what were we thinking all those years if you don’t already.
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Bit unlucky on that scrum.
@ACT-Crusader said in All Blacks vs Springboks II:
Bit unlucky on that scrum.
Replay on Lomax side shows clear pen against Boks LH for collapsing onto knee.
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Very very harsh full arm penalty at the scrum. Both props genuinely appeared to slip on the replay not 'pressure and pull' like the ref claimed
@steelpotato said in All Blacks vs Springboks II:
Very very harsh full arm penalty at the scrum. Both props genuinely appeared to slip on the replay not 'pressure and pull' like the ref claimed
In fact Penalty against Boks LH for collapsing on to knee.
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@ACT-Crusader said in All Blacks vs Springboks II:
Shades of Anton Oliver days in the lineout.
Tbf that last lineout was more on Holland/just good play from SA.
@Mr-Fish said in All Blacks vs Springboks II:
@ACT-Crusader said in All Blacks vs Springboks II:
Shades of Anton Oliver days in the lineout.
Tbf that last lineout was more on Holland/just good play from SA.
Throw too low.
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@Chris said in All Blacks vs Springboks II:
Carter is not a test wing can’t tackle crap under the high ball
People wanted to see if he could perform at test level. Can’t complain when the coaches give people what they want
️@stodders said in All Blacks vs Springboks II:
@Chris said in All Blacks vs Springboks II:
Carter is not a test wing can’t tackle crap under the high ball
People wanted to see if he could perform at test level. Can’t complain when the coaches give people what they want
️Meanwhile, the one back three squad member who is great under high ball ISN’T picked.
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How did we win last week? This is the worst half of all blacks rugby I've seen in my life.
@steelpotato said in All Blacks vs Springboks II:
How did we win last week? This is the worst half of all blacks rugby I've seen in my life.
Worst quarters for sure.
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Last quarter rewatch to flow, but what is apparent is:
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Taking off Parker and Sititi lessened our ruck effectiveness and in particular the defence around the ruck disappeared;
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Taking off Proctor and Carter lessened our attacking effectiveness and backs defensive alignment fell apart;
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Scooter looked gassed at end, so the No brainer was for FH to replace him, rather than Parker;
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When we need to reset and gather composure, better to get ball out in oppo half rather than go for their 22: BB and Jordan I’m talking about you;
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When we are under the pump quit the fancy Dan crap: Vaa’l lineout call at 60, BB kick passes (FFS!!!), RD chip; and
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Hold the ball in two hands when diving for try line. No guesses for whom I’m talking about.
Half of those the coaches, the others SENIOR players.
KISS and we lose that by 10 max.
It was like watching the Harlem Globetrotters in
last 5. 🤯 -
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@stodders said in All Blacks vs Springboks II:
@Chris said in All Blacks vs Springboks II:
Carter is not a test wing can’t tackle crap under the high ball
People wanted to see if he could perform at test level. Can’t complain when the coaches give people what they want
️Meanwhile, the one back three squad member who is great under high ball ISN’T picked.
@pakman said in All Blacks vs Springboks II:
@stodders said in All Blacks vs Springboks II:
@Chris said in All Blacks vs Springboks II:
Carter is not a test wing can’t tackle crap under the high ball
People wanted to see if he could perform at test level. Can’t complain when the coaches give people what they want
️Meanwhile, the one back three squad member who is great under high ball ISN’T picked.
If talking about Love, he did get a chance to cameo and didn’t cover himself in glory either.
In fairness, that is probably being too harsh on him. When everyone else on the pitch had lost their heads, what is a young man with little international experience supposed to do?
Rassie did make a point post-match that even though his team looked like it was inexperienced on paper, only 2 (I think) of his 23 man squad had less than 10 caps. ABs had 8 players in the 23 with less than 10 caps. The capitulation on the ABs had everything to do with senior leaders not setting the example and stemming the bleeding. They started the rot that spread throughout the entire team. The subs just added to the chaos.
