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  • TimT Tim

    NZ is a small country, and people talk, a lot. It is also a very mediocre country, mostly run by low potential people. Not quite a Kakistocracy, but getting there. Anyway, the rumours are flying, but some of them are good.

    Scott Hansen is not rated by many of the players, and his communication is poor. The forgotten backs coach is fed up with Robertson, and has been shut out.

    Perhaps of most interest for us posters is that the coaches regard DMac as an idiot who cannot follow instructions, and think that Bueaden Barrett's kicking game is excellent, and if you do not appreciate it, then you do not understand rugby.

    Make of that what you will.

    I would not say that it bodes well.

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    #6068

    @Tim said in All Blacks 2025:

    NZ is a small country, and people talk, a lot. It is also a very mediocre country, mostly run by low potential people. Not quite a Kakistocracy, but getting there. Anyway, the rumours are flying, but some of them are good.

    Scott Hansen is not rated by many of the players, and his communication is poor. The forgotten backs coach is fed up with Robertson, and has been shut out.

    Perhaps of most interest for us posters is that the coaches regard DMac as an idiot who cannot follow instructions, and think that Bueaden Barrett's kicking game is excellent, and if you do not appreciate it, then you do not understand rugby.

    Make of that what you will.

    I would not say that it bodes well.

    I can believe the Scott Hansen bit. His media appearances are the NZ version of David Brent - all buzzwords with little to no clarity. Imagine having to decipher the attack strategy. No wonder it is difficult to understand what the ABs are doing on attack.

    The only bit that appears to be working on attack are the strike plays, and that is Jason Holland's role.

    Has Robertson lost the dressing room - not just the players, but his coaching team too?

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    • S stodders

      @Tim said in All Blacks 2025:

      NZ is a small country, and people talk, a lot. It is also a very mediocre country, mostly run by low potential people. Not quite a Kakistocracy, but getting there. Anyway, the rumours are flying, but some of them are good.

      Scott Hansen is not rated by many of the players, and his communication is poor. The forgotten backs coach is fed up with Robertson, and has been shut out.

      Perhaps of most interest for us posters is that the coaches regard DMac as an idiot who cannot follow instructions, and think that Bueaden Barrett's kicking game is excellent, and if you do not appreciate it, then you do not understand rugby.

      Make of that what you will.

      I would not say that it bodes well.

      I can believe the Scott Hansen bit. His media appearances are the NZ version of David Brent - all buzzwords with little to no clarity. Imagine having to decipher the attack strategy. No wonder it is difficult to understand what the ABs are doing on attack.

      The only bit that appears to be working on attack are the strike plays, and that is Jason Holland's role.

      Has Robertson lost the dressing room - not just the players, but his coaching team too?

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      @stodders said in All Blacks 2025:

      Has Robertson lost the dressing room - not just the players, but his coaching team too?

      A lot of players were very loyal to Foster. They have welcomed Robertson, but there is still some suspicion about a guy who participated in the media leaks to try to get him fired.

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      • sparkyS sparky

        @george33 Wrong!

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        @sparky Once again that Lashes guy said he isn't available until end of year tour
        Don't no why he was even brought into camp.

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        • TimT Away
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          My 2 cents is that going from Schmidt to morons like Robertson, Ryan, and Hansen must have been a very hard sell.

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            @Tim said in All Blacks 2025:

            NZ is a small country, and people talk, a lot. It is also a very mediocre country, mostly run by low potential people. Not quite a Kakistocracy, but getting there. Anyway, the rumours are flying, but some of them are good.

            Scott Hansen is not rated by many of the players, and his communication is poor. The forgotten backs coach is fed up with Robertson, and has been shut out.

            Perhaps of most interest for us posters is that the coaches regard DMac as an idiot who cannot follow instructions, and think that Bueaden Barrett's kicking game is excellent, and if you do not appreciate it, then you do not understand rugby.

            Make of that what you will.

            I would not say that it bodes well.

            I can believe the Scott Hansen bit. His media appearances are the NZ version of David Brent - all buzzwords with little to no clarity. Imagine having to decipher the attack strategy. No wonder it is difficult to understand what the ABs are doing on attack.

            The only bit that appears to be working on attack are the strike plays, and that is Jason Holland's role.

            Has Robertson lost the dressing room - not just the players, but his coaching team too?

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            @stodders said in All Blacks 2025:

            @Tim said in All Blacks 2025:

            NZ is a small country, and people talk, a lot. It is also a very mediocre country, mostly run by low potential people. Not quite a Kakistocracy, but getting there. Anyway, the rumours are flying, but some of them are good.

            Scott Hansen is not rated by many of the players, and his communication is poor. The forgotten backs coach is fed up with Robertson, and has been shut out.

            Perhaps of most interest for us posters is that the coaches regard DMac as an idiot who cannot follow instructions, and think that Bueaden Barrett's kicking game is excellent, and if you do not appreciate it, then you do not understand rugby.

            Make of that what you will.

            I would not say that it bodes well.

            I can believe the Scott Hansen bit. His media appearances are the NZ version of David Brent - all buzzwords with little to no clarity. Imagine having to decipher the attack strategy. No wonder it is difficult to understand what the ABs are doing on attack.

            The only bit that appears to be working on attack are the strike plays, and that is Jason Holland's role.

            Has Robertson lost the dressing room - not just the players, but his coaching team too?

            I remember his first interview on the Aotearoa pod.

            Bryn asks him "why did you pick Scooter as Captain"........Hansen replies. "you tell me, you played with him".

            Hansen asked about dodgy TMO calls that incorrectly ruled out Tosi's try for blocking.

            "Next week we hope the the TMO can enjoy the match with a cup of tea".

            The chap is insufferable.

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              @Jet said in All Blacks 2025:

              Beauden Barrett has 28 more caps than Daniel Carter.

              Beauden Barrett has had 2.33 Christian Cullen careers.

              Beauden Barrett has 8 more caps than 2 x Israel Dagg careers.

              If Beauden Barrett is ignoring the gameplan, then he should be jettisoned.

              I don’t think he is though. The issue isn’t really with Beauden Barrett, is it?

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              @stodders but this iteration of BB is not new is it, so are successive coaches (super and international) playing him the same, or is this all BB is capable.of playing?

              There have always been questions over his ability to drive the game from 10, its been his pace, instincts and a bit of luck that saw hk play some sublime rugby, but has any of it truly been structured and fitting into a gameplan?

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              • TimT Tim

                My 2 cents is that going from Schmidt to morons like Robertson, Ryan, and Hansen must have been a very hard sell.

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                @Tim said in All Blacks 2025:

                My 2 cents is that going from Schmidt to morons like Robertson, Ryan, and Hansen must have been a very hard sell.

                The power of PowerPoint.: "That's fantastic! I've never heard that buzzword before!"

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                • TimT Tim

                  NZ is a small country, and people talk, a lot. It is also a very mediocre country, mostly run by low potential people. Not quite a Kakistocracy, but getting there. Anyway, the rumours are flying, but some of them are good.

                  Scott Hansen is not rated by many of the players, and his communication is poor. The forgotten backs coach is fed up with Robertson, and has been shut out.

                  Perhaps of most interest for us posters is that the coaches regard DMac as an idiot who cannot follow instructions, and think that Bueaden Barrett's kicking game is excellent, and if you do not appreciate it, then you do not understand rugby.

                  Make of that what you will.

                  I would not say that it bodes well.

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                  canefan
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                  #6075

                  @Tim said in All Blacks 2025:

                  NZ is a small country, and people talk, a lot. It is also a very mediocre country, mostly run by low potential people. Not quite a Kakistocracy, but getting there. Anyway, the rumours are flying, but some of them are good.

                  Scott Hansen is not rated by many of the players, and his communication is poor. The forgotten backs coach is fed up with Robertson, and has been shut out.

                  Perhaps of most interest for us posters is that the coaches regard DMac as an idiot who cannot follow instructions, and think that Bueaden Barrett's kicking game is excellent, and if you do not appreciate it, then you do not understand rugby.

                  Make of that what you will.

                  I would not say that it bodes well.

                  If this is true we are doomed. Razor won't change, we will need to wait until he is removed

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                    Why the flying fuck do they persist with Beauden Barrett at First Five?

                    His game management is atrocious these days.

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                    • sparkyS sparky

                      Why the flying fuck do they persist with Beauden Barrett at First Five?

                      His game management is atrocious these days.

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                      canefan
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                      #6077

                      @sparky said in All Blacks 2025:

                      Why the flying fuck do they persist with Beauden Barrett at First Five?

                      His game management is atrocious these days.

                      BB is special. Apparently we don't understand rugby

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                      • TimT Tim

                        NZ is a small country, and people talk, a lot. It is also a very mediocre country, mostly run by low potential people. Not quite a Kakistocracy, but getting there. Anyway, the rumours are flying, but some of them are good.

                        Scott Hansen is not rated by many of the players, and his communication is poor. The forgotten backs coach is fed up with Robertson, and has been shut out.

                        Perhaps of most interest for us posters is that the coaches regard DMac as an idiot who cannot follow instructions, and think that Bueaden Barrett's kicking game is excellent, and if you do not appreciate it, then you do not understand rugby.

                        Make of that what you will.

                        I would not say that it bodes well.

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                        @Tim 'kakistocracy'. I thought you were making up words. Huh, learned a new thing today

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                        • taniwharugbyT taniwharugby

                          @stodders but this iteration of BB is not new is it, so are successive coaches (super and international) playing him the same, or is this all BB is capable.of playing?

                          There have always been questions over his ability to drive the game from 10, its been his pace, instincts and a bit of luck that saw hk play some sublime rugby, but has any of it truly been structured and fitting into a gameplan?

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                          #6079

                          @taniwharugby said in All Blacks 2025:

                          @stodders but this iteration of BB is not new is it, so are successive coaches (super and international) playing him the same, or is this all BB is capable.of playing?

                          There have always been questions over his ability to drive the game from 10, its been his pace, instincts and a bit of luck that saw hk play some sublime rugby, but has any of it truly been structured and fitting into a gameplan?

                          Robertson is more motivator than coach. He’s seen Barrett perform at his peak before, nearly a decade ago, and believes he can 'inspire' him to reach that level again. He’s not instructing Barrett on how to play, just urging him to bring out his best game the way he plays it. With others, he doesn’t have that reference point. Having never seen them excel at test level, he can’t be sure they’re capable of it and so he can’t be sure he can motivate them toward it. The majority of the new players he's selected have only made the team when the players Robertson wanted to select were injured. And when they step up, he's happy to keep them but that hasn't happened at first five yet.

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                          • nzzpN nzzp

                            @Tim 'kakistocracy'. I thought you were making up words. Huh, learned a new thing today

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                            @nzzp 100% i even read it in a south african accent, every second word is Kak

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                            • TimT Tim

                              NZ is a small country, and people talk, a lot. It is also a very mediocre country, mostly run by low potential people. Not quite a Kakistocracy, but getting there. Anyway, the rumours are flying, but some of them are good.

                              Scott Hansen is not rated by many of the players, and his communication is poor. The forgotten backs coach is fed up with Robertson, and has been shut out.

                              Perhaps of most interest for us posters is that the coaches regard DMac as an idiot who cannot follow instructions, and think that Bueaden Barrett's kicking game is excellent, and if you do not appreciate it, then you do not understand rugby.

                              Make of that what you will.

                              I would not say that it bodes well.

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                              @Tim said in All Blacks 2025:

                              NZ is a small country, and people talk, a lot. It is also a very mediocre country, mostly run by low potential people. Not quite a Kakistocracy, but getting there. Anyway, the rumours are flying, but some of them are good.

                              Scott Hansen is not rated by many of the players, and his communication is poor. The forgotten backs coach is fed up with Robertson, and has been shut out.

                              Perhaps of most interest for us posters is that the coaches regard DMac as an idiot who cannot follow instructions, and think that Bueaden Barrett's kicking game is excellent, and if you do not appreciate it, then you do not understand rugby.

                              Make of that what you will.

                              I would not say that it bodes well.

                              It beauds terribly.

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                              • TimT Tim

                                NZ is a small country, and people talk, a lot. It is also a very mediocre country, mostly run by low potential people. Not quite a Kakistocracy, but getting there. Anyway, the rumours are flying, but some of them are good.

                                Scott Hansen is not rated by many of the players, and his communication is poor. The forgotten backs coach is fed up with Robertson, and has been shut out.

                                Perhaps of most interest for us posters is that the coaches regard DMac as an idiot who cannot follow instructions, and think that Bueaden Barrett's kicking game is excellent, and if you do not appreciate it, then you do not understand rugby.

                                Make of that what you will.

                                I would not say that it bodes well.

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                                African Monkey
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                                @Tim said in All Blacks 2025:

                                NZ is a small country, and people talk, a lot. It is also a very mediocre country, mostly run by low potential people. Not quite a Kakistocracy, but getting there. Anyway, the rumours are flying, but some of them are good.

                                Scott Hansen is not rated by many of the players, and his communication is poor. The forgotten backs coach is fed up with Robertson, and has been shut out.

                                Perhaps of most interest for us posters is that the coaches regard DMac as an idiot who cannot follow instructions, and think that Bueaden Barrett's kicking game is excellent, and if you do not appreciate it, then you do not understand rugby.

                                Make of that what you will.

                                I would not say that it bodes well.

                                Razor has a history of falling out with coaches doesn't he?

                                Brad Mooar, Jason Ryan, Leon MacDonald now Jason Holland, and those are only the reported ones.

                                Maybe he's not the people's person we're led to believe he is? Happy to be corrected on this if it's not true.

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                                • African MonkeyA African Monkey

                                  @Tim said in All Blacks 2025:

                                  NZ is a small country, and people talk, a lot. It is also a very mediocre country, mostly run by low potential people. Not quite a Kakistocracy, but getting there. Anyway, the rumours are flying, but some of them are good.

                                  Scott Hansen is not rated by many of the players, and his communication is poor. The forgotten backs coach is fed up with Robertson, and has been shut out.

                                  Perhaps of most interest for us posters is that the coaches regard DMac as an idiot who cannot follow instructions, and think that Bueaden Barrett's kicking game is excellent, and if you do not appreciate it, then you do not understand rugby.

                                  Make of that what you will.

                                  I would not say that it bodes well.

                                  Razor has a history of falling out with coaches doesn't he?

                                  Brad Mooar, Jason Ryan, Leon MacDonald now Jason Holland, and those are only the reported ones.

                                  Maybe he's not the people's person we're led to believe he is? Happy to be corrected on this if it's not true.

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                                  Chris
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                                  #6083

                                  @African-Monkey said in All Blacks 2025:

                                  @Tim said in All Blacks 2025:

                                  NZ is a small country, and people talk, a lot. It is also a very mediocre country, mostly run by low potential people. Not quite a Kakistocracy, but getting there. Anyway, the rumours are flying, but some of them are good.

                                  Scott Hansen is not rated by many of the players, and his communication is poor. The forgotten backs coach is fed up with Robertson, and has been shut out.

                                  Perhaps of most interest for us posters is that the coaches regard DMac as an idiot who cannot follow instructions, and think that Bueaden Barrett's kicking game is excellent, and if you do not appreciate it, then you do not understand rugby.

                                  Make of that what you will.

                                  I would not say that it bodes well.

                                  Razor has a history of falling out with coaches doesn't he?

                                  Brad Mooar, Jason Ryan, Leon MacDonald now Jason Holland, and those are only the reported ones.

                                  Maybe he's not the people's person we're led to believe he is? Happy to be corrected on this if it's not true.

                                  Rumours apart from MacDonald.
                                  Boy people make up with some shit out of their own heads.

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                                  • R reprobate

                                    @Tim said in All Blacks 2025:

                                    NZ is a small country, and people talk, a lot. It is also a very mediocre country, mostly run by low potential people. Not quite a Kakistocracy, but getting there. Anyway, the rumours are flying, but some of them are good.

                                    Scott Hansen is not rated by many of the players, and his communication is poor. The forgotten backs coach is fed up with Robertson, and has been shut out.

                                    Perhaps of most interest for us posters is that the coaches regard DMac as an idiot who cannot follow instructions, and think that Bueaden Barrett's kicking game is excellent, and if you do not appreciate it, then you do not understand rugby.

                                    Make of that what you will.

                                    I would not say that it bodes well.

                                    It beauds terribly.

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                                    @reprobate said in All Blacks 2025:

                                    It beauds terribly.

                                    But 6 years ago he was beaudacious.

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                                    • ChrisC Chris

                                      @African-Monkey said in All Blacks 2025:

                                      @Tim said in All Blacks 2025:

                                      NZ is a small country, and people talk, a lot. It is also a very mediocre country, mostly run by low potential people. Not quite a Kakistocracy, but getting there. Anyway, the rumours are flying, but some of them are good.

                                      Scott Hansen is not rated by many of the players, and his communication is poor. The forgotten backs coach is fed up with Robertson, and has been shut out.

                                      Perhaps of most interest for us posters is that the coaches regard DMac as an idiot who cannot follow instructions, and think that Bueaden Barrett's kicking game is excellent, and if you do not appreciate it, then you do not understand rugby.

                                      Make of that what you will.

                                      I would not say that it bodes well.

                                      Razor has a history of falling out with coaches doesn't he?

                                      Brad Mooar, Jason Ryan, Leon MacDonald now Jason Holland, and those are only the reported ones.

                                      Maybe he's not the people's person we're led to believe he is? Happy to be corrected on this if it's not true.

                                      Rumours apart from MacDonald.
                                      Boy people make up with some shit out of their own heads.

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                                      African Monkey
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                                      @Chris said in All Blacks 2025:

                                      @African-Monkey said in All Blacks 2025:

                                      @Tim said in All Blacks 2025:

                                      NZ is a small country, and people talk, a lot. It is also a very mediocre country, mostly run by low potential people. Not quite a Kakistocracy, but getting there. Anyway, the rumours are flying, but some of them are good.

                                      Scott Hansen is not rated by many of the players, and his communication is poor. The forgotten backs coach is fed up with Robertson, and has been shut out.

                                      Perhaps of most interest for us posters is that the coaches regard DMac as an idiot who cannot follow instructions, and think that Bueaden Barrett's kicking game is excellent, and if you do not appreciate it, then you do not understand rugby.

                                      Make of that what you will.

                                      I would not say that it bodes well.

                                      Razor has a history of falling out with coaches doesn't he?

                                      Brad Mooar, Jason Ryan, Leon MacDonald now Jason Holland, and those are only the reported ones.

                                      Maybe he's not the people's person we're led to believe he is? Happy to be corrected on this if it's not true.

                                      Rumours apart from MacDonald.
                                      Boy people make up with some shit out of their own heads.

                                      A lot of the Canterbury posters on here in the know have reported these, and they are usually bang on with their information.

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                                        @taniwharugby said in All Blacks 2025:

                                        @stodders but this iteration of BB is not new is it, so are successive coaches (super and international) playing him the same, or is this all BB is capable.of playing?

                                        There have always been questions over his ability to drive the game from 10, its been his pace, instincts and a bit of luck that saw hk play some sublime rugby, but has any of it truly been structured and fitting into a gameplan?

                                        Robertson is more motivator than coach. He’s seen Barrett perform at his peak before, nearly a decade ago, and believes he can 'inspire' him to reach that level again. He’s not instructing Barrett on how to play, just urging him to bring out his best game the way he plays it. With others, he doesn’t have that reference point. Having never seen them excel at test level, he can’t be sure they’re capable of it and so he can’t be sure he can motivate them toward it. The majority of the new players he's selected have only made the team when the players Robertson wanted to select were injured. And when they step up, he's happy to keep them but that hasn't happened at first five yet.

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                                        @ShaquilleOatmeal Man I thought Razor finally grew a pair of balls when he had the guts to drop his boyfriend David Havili. But it seems as if he’s inlove with Beaudy now 🤦
                                        Fuck he’s not half the player he used to be, imagine how awful he’s going to be at 37. Jamie Joseph would’ve never let this happen just saying 🤷‍♂️

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                                        • nostrildamusN nostrildamus

                                          @reprobate said in All Blacks 2025:

                                          It beauds terribly.

                                          But 6 years ago he was beaudacious.

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                                          @nostrildamus said in All Blacks 2025:

                                          @reprobate said in All Blacks 2025:

                                          It beauds terribly.

                                          But 6 years ago he was beaudacious.

                                          It's more than 6.

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