Stupid ideas to fix rugby
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@Kiwiwomble said in Stupid ideas to fix rugby:
@W32 said in Stupid ideas to fix rugby:
@Kirwan said in Stupid ideas to fix rugby:
I was watching some youtube videos of old rugby games (YouTube algorithm must have been trying to cheer me up) and I had the following thoughts;
1 - Michael Jones was even better than I remembered
2 - We should make the ball heavier (bonus points for making it brown)
3- Lifting in lineouts is horrible, I preferred the carnage of the old lineouts - an actual contest
4 - Call scrums from rucks more often, that's disappeared from the modern gameObviously the ruck needs work, that probably needs it's own thread. But I think making the ball heavier and reducing the distance you can do for passing and kicking would be a good thing.
Lineouts carnage was far more interesting and skillful, and a genuine contest for possession. Would make it harder to create a lineout drive too.
We have dumbed down rugby, lets reverse the trend, make getting tired part of the game again and get the players smaller as a result.
Come at me.
> Why is it that kiwis want to fix rugby when their team isn’t on top?
Jokes aside, enjoying the current laws that have sped up the game
its actually a good question.
Au contraire. Complaints about time in play and loss of the contest for possession were numerous during the golden period.
People suggesting we should increase set play competitiveness and frequency when our team just got mullered is hardly looking for an easy solution to our current dilemma.
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@Smuts said in Stupid ideas to fix rugby:
Surprisingly ball in play has crept up steadily since the 80s. There’s actually less stoppages now than ever before.
Problem with big changes to player fatigue levels is that even small increases result in far greater risk of injury.
Also there’s a huge tension between the conditioning/physiques needed to scrum safely and effectively and that required to play multiphase running rugby.
So probably the best way to encourage wide attacking rugby, greater defensive commitment to the ruck and fewer stoppages is to:
a) reward committing more players to the ruck with possession NOT penalties;
b) lower the risk of going wide with too little support from a likely penalty to simply losing possession; and
c) make sure that refs see their role at the ruck as a fair fight for possession that should rarely result in a penalty.
Get rid of every ruck rule. Replace with: must enter from your side of the ball (more or less & regardless of angle) & only players on their feet count and may play the ball.
So basically the ELVs - which were awesome to play under and produced great rugby.
Nice post. Simplification with a focus on contest for possession.
Personally, I'd remove penalties for scrum infringements until it's actually them trying to not-scrum. Scrumming for a penalty is a blight on the game.
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@gt12 said in Stupid ideas to fix rugby:
@Smuts said in Stupid ideas to fix rugby:
Surprisingly ball in play has crept up steadily since the 80s. There’s actually less stoppages now than ever before.
Problem with big changes to player fatigue levels is that even small increases result in far greater risk of injury.
Also there’s a huge tension between the conditioning/physiques needed to scrum safely and effectively and that required to play multiphase running rugby.
So probably the best way to encourage wide attacking rugby, greater defensive commitment to the ruck and fewer stoppages is to:
a) reward committing more players to the ruck with possession NOT penalties;
b) lower the risk of going wide with too little support from a likely penalty to simply losing possession; and
c) make sure that refs see their role at the ruck as a fair fight for possession that should rarely result in a penalty.
Get rid of every ruck rule. Replace with: must enter from your side of the ball (more or less & regardless of angle) & only players on their feet count and may play the ball.
So basically the ELVs - which were awesome to play under and produced great rugby.
Nice post. Simplification with a focus on contest for possession.
Personally, I'd remove penalties for scrum infringements until it's actually them trying to not-scrum. Scrumming for a penalty is a blight on the game.
100% scrum is a competition for the ball...the reward for dominating one should be the ball...not 3 points
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@Kiwiwomble or a subsequent PT & YC, all because you are not as good as your opposition.
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@taniwharugby said in Stupid ideas to fix rugby:
@Kiwiwomble or a subsequent PT & YC, all because you are not as good as your opposition.
exactly, the overwhelming majority of scrum infringements are enforced by a dominant opposition scrum, the idea that a team a team could then ALSO be down a person...because they were already not as good...is distasteful, free kick and play ball
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@gt12 said in Stupid ideas to fix rugby:
@Smuts said in Stupid ideas to fix rugby:
Surprisingly ball in play has crept up steadily since the 80s. There’s actually less stoppages now than ever before.
Problem with big changes to player fatigue levels is that even small increases result in far greater risk of injury.
Also there’s a huge tension between the conditioning/physiques needed to scrum safely and effectively and that required to play multiphase running rugby.
So probably the best way to encourage wide attacking rugby, greater defensive commitment to the ruck and fewer stoppages is to:
a) reward committing more players to the ruck with possession NOT penalties;
b) lower the risk of going wide with too little support from a likely penalty to simply losing possession; and
c) make sure that refs see their role at the ruck as a fair fight for possession that should rarely result in a penalty.
Get rid of every ruck rule. Replace with: must enter from your side of the ball (more or less & regardless of angle) & only players on their feet count and may play the ball.
So basically the ELVs - which were awesome to play under and produced great rugby.
Nice post. Simplification with a focus on contest for possession.
Personally, I'd remove penalties for scrum infringements until it's actually them trying to not-scrum. Scrumming for a penalty is a blight on the game.
Absolutely. Just reset the scrum with the feed going to the non-infringing team. So long as I can scrum my way to the try line without being told to use it and regardless of numbers of resets I’m happy.
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@Kiwiwomble should be 5 points with the chance of a further 2, if you’re good enough.
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@Kiwiwomble or the assumption that suddenly in the next scrum they will improve enough to not succomb to the pressure.
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@Smuts said in Stupid ideas to fix rugby:
@gt12 said in Stupid ideas to fix rugby:
@Smuts said in Stupid ideas to fix rugby:
Surprisingly ball in play has crept up steadily since the 80s. There’s actually less stoppages now than ever before.
Problem with big changes to player fatigue levels is that even small increases result in far greater risk of injury.
Also there’s a huge tension between the conditioning/physiques needed to scrum safely and effectively and that required to play multiphase running rugby.
So probably the best way to encourage wide attacking rugby, greater defensive commitment to the ruck and fewer stoppages is to:
a) reward committing more players to the ruck with possession NOT penalties;
b) lower the risk of going wide with too little support from a likely penalty to simply losing possession; and
c) make sure that refs see their role at the ruck as a fair fight for possession that should rarely result in a penalty.
Get rid of every ruck rule. Replace with: must enter from your side of the ball (more or less & regardless of angle) & only players on their feet count and may play the ball.
So basically the ELVs - which were awesome to play under and produced great rugby.
Nice post. Simplification with a focus on contest for possession.
Personally, I'd remove penalties for scrum infringements until it's actually them trying to not-scrum. Scrumming for a penalty is a blight on the game.
Absolutely. Just reset the scrum with the feed going to the non-infringing team. So long as I can scrum my way to the try line without being told to use it and regardless of numbers of resets I’m happy.
just allow pushover tries and scrums within 5 m of the line. Used to be a real option, shoudl be again.
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i think you can march a scrum 5m (allowing dominant teams to go for tried form 5m scrum), after that if you have it you play it, if it goes down free kick to dominate scrum
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But that's the way it is at the moment, but these marchings/pushovers are negated by the weaker side folding in or collapsing.
I'm fine with a penalty if that happens, but I hate a team holding it at the back and waiting for a collapse to try and force it. I thought we changed the rule to make teams play the ball if it's available, but seems not to have made a difference.
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@barbarian said in Stupid ideas to fix rugby:
But that's the way it is at the moment, but these marchings/pushovers are negated by the weaker side folding in or collapsing.
I'm fine with a penalty if that happens, but I hate a team holding it at the back and waiting for a collapse to try and force it. I thought we changed the rule to make teams play the ball if it's available, but seems not to have made a difference.
i think it has been better this year, its available at the back of collapsed weve seen it played rather than the halfback having a winge, better than its been in a while...but still not perfect
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@barbarian but we don’t want to play it* - we want to push the bastards all the way past their tryline. And we resent extremely having jumped up little nerds telling us to play it because the other side are shit at scrumming but good at cheating.
I dream of the day when some team, RugbyGods’ willing the Boks, march another team’s scrum 40 yards for a pushover try. That would thrill purists and rugby illiterates alike.
*or rather scrumming is playing it making the call both unnecessary and confusing.
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I like the premise of a longer game, but you know that just means more instances of players taking a knee for the magic spray or ice pack. Some of the matches already feel like they’ve gone on forever.
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@Smuts said in Stupid ideas to fix rugby:
Surprisingly ball in play has crept up steadily since the 80s. There’s actually less stoppages now than ever before.
Problem with big changes to player fatigue levels is that even small increases result in far greater risk of injury.
Also there’s a huge tension between the conditioning/physiques needed to scrum safely and effectively and that required to play multiphase running rugby.
So probably the best way to encourage wide attacking rugby, greater defensive commitment to the ruck and fewer stoppages is to:
a) reward committing more players to the ruck with possession NOT penalties;
b) lower the risk of going wide with too little support from a likely penalty to simply losing possession; and
c) make sure that refs see their role at the ruck as a fair fight for possession that should rarely result in a penalty.
Get rid of every ruck rule. Replace with: must enter from your side of the ball (more or less & regardless of angle) & only players on their feet count and may play the ball.
So basically the ELVs - which were awesome to play under and produced great rugby.
Nice, I like;
a) reward committing more players to the ruck with possession NOT penalties;
in particular.
I miss seeing rucks where a swarm of players were driving the ruck forward so they could win the scrum
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@mariner4life said in Stupid ideas to fix rugby:
though TBF the only thing other than is getting pumped that annoyed me on Saturday was a try being overturned after a conversion and the teams all heading for half way. that can fuck entirely off.
We could have done with the benefit of that for Mbonambi’s knock on last year.
But I agree.
It’s a terrible look.
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Be fucking serious Boney. Refs are never going to give up their right to interpret useful, sensible aspects of the Laws right the fuck out of existence for some bullshit that makes them more important and/or favours their preferred national style of rugby ESPECIALLY if it helps the attacking team maintain possession.
But you’re onto a radical idea: force every administrator/ref/former player/board member to play under whatever rule/interpretation they propose.
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@mariner4life said in Stupid ideas to fix rugby:
@reprobate yeah that's my thinking too. most of the ruck suggestions i have seen will result in more attackers than defenders committing.
The scrum from ruck thing is a huge evolution. Rucks used to be a mess, and scrums were a restart. Now imagine a game where every slow ruck became a scrum, and the ensuing palava around the chat, the set up, the ref chat fuck around. who would watch?
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