Stupid ideas to fix rugby
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I like the premise of a longer game, but you know that just means more instances of players taking a knee for the magic spray or ice pack. Some of the matches already feel like they’ve gone on forever.
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@Smuts said in Stupid ideas to fix rugby:
Surprisingly ball in play has crept up steadily since the 80s. There’s actually less stoppages now than ever before.
Problem with big changes to player fatigue levels is that even small increases result in far greater risk of injury.
Also there’s a huge tension between the conditioning/physiques needed to scrum safely and effectively and that required to play multiphase running rugby.
So probably the best way to encourage wide attacking rugby, greater defensive commitment to the ruck and fewer stoppages is to:
a) reward committing more players to the ruck with possession NOT penalties;
b) lower the risk of going wide with too little support from a likely penalty to simply losing possession; and
c) make sure that refs see their role at the ruck as a fair fight for possession that should rarely result in a penalty.
Get rid of every ruck rule. Replace with: must enter from your side of the ball (more or less & regardless of angle) & only players on their feet count and may play the ball.
So basically the ELVs - which were awesome to play under and produced great rugby.
Nice, I like;
a) reward committing more players to the ruck with possession NOT penalties;
in particular.
I miss seeing rucks where a swarm of players were driving the ruck forward so they could win the scrum
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@mariner4life said in Stupid ideas to fix rugby:
though TBF the only thing other than is getting pumped that annoyed me on Saturday was a try being overturned after a conversion and the teams all heading for half way. that can fuck entirely off.
We could have done with the benefit of that for Mbonambi’s knock on last year.
But I agree.
It’s a terrible look.
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Be fucking serious Boney. Refs are never going to give up their right to interpret useful, sensible aspects of the Laws right the fuck out of existence for some bullshit that makes them more important and/or favours their preferred national style of rugby ESPECIALLY if it helps the attacking team maintain possession.
But you’re onto a radical idea: force every administrator/ref/former player/board member to play under whatever rule/interpretation they propose.
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@mariner4life said in Stupid ideas to fix rugby:
@reprobate yeah that's my thinking too. most of the ruck suggestions i have seen will result in more attackers than defenders committing.
The scrum from ruck thing is a huge evolution. Rucks used to be a mess, and scrums were a restart. Now imagine a game where every slow ruck became a scrum, and the ensuing palava around the chat, the set up, the ref chat fuck around. who would watch?
Trainee TMOs
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@Kirwan said in Stupid ideas to fix rugby:
Current game feels like LawyerBall, I'm sick of hearing a ref saying "Hands Off", just penalise them FFS. They'll soon learn.
Take your point, but I actually like that as it speeds the game up.
The one thing I'd change is make the 9 put the ball into the scrum straight so it becomes a real contest for possession and not a penalty factory
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@Victor-Meldrew although it still hampers the game, same as that guy that creeps up offside, in the 9s peripherals, but then gets pushed back, the damage is ready done.
That said, even if they did ping each time, I am sure we'd still see loads more penalties, just for being too slow as well as.the ones pushing the limits.
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@canefan said in Stupid ideas to fix rugby:
@Kirwan said in Stupid ideas to fix rugby:
@barbarian said in Stupid ideas to fix rugby:
@Jet said in Stupid ideas to fix rugby:
Make the games 100 minutes long.
We need the players to get smaller.
I think the general premise of bringing back fatigue as a factor is something that should be considered. Games used to open up in a way they don't at the moment.
The simplest way to do that is cut down the time spent setting scrums and lineouts. That's what stands out on old footage - from knock-on whistle to 'engage' it's about 20-30 seconds. Now it's 2 minutes plus. Get forwards jogging to the set piece, no time spent with hands on heads, and you get a much better flow and more tired players.
Yep, that 30 seconds timeout for scrums and lineouts is a good plan. Call a mark ruthlessly if exceeded, no warnings, and watch the game open up.
Would help teams with skillful, powerful scrums as well. No hiding from a scrum with delaying tactics.
Fakes injuries also a blight. Easily solved by making anyone who goes down with an injury go off until they are fixed up and not allowed to return until after the next stoppage
Too often the "injured" player manages to get to where the breakdown is to be in the way of the restart meaning they have to be treated before play recommences. Penalise that shit.
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@gt12 said in Stupid ideas to fix rugby:
@Smuts said in Stupid ideas to fix rugby:
Surprisingly ball in play has crept up steadily since the 80s. There’s actually less stoppages now than ever before.
Problem with big changes to player fatigue levels is that even small increases result in far greater risk of injury.
Also there’s a huge tension between the conditioning/physiques needed to scrum safely and effectively and that required to play multiphase running rugby.
So probably the best way to encourage wide attacking rugby, greater defensive commitment to the ruck and fewer stoppages is to:
a) reward committing more players to the ruck with possession NOT penalties;
b) lower the risk of going wide with too little support from a likely penalty to simply losing possession; and
c) make sure that refs see their role at the ruck as a fair fight for possession that should rarely result in a penalty.
Get rid of every ruck rule. Replace with: must enter from your side of the ball (more or less & regardless of angle) & only players on their feet count and may play the ball.
So basically the ELVs - which were awesome to play under and produced great rugby.
Nice post. Simplification with a focus on contest for possession.
Personally, I'd remove penalties for scrum infringements until it's actually them trying to not-scrum. Scrumming for a penalty is a blight on the game.
Agree GT12. Quoted because ai agree so much and upvote is not sufficient.
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@Kiwiwomble said in Stupid ideas to fix rugby:
@gt12 said in Stupid ideas to fix rugby:
@Smuts said in Stupid ideas to fix rugby:
Surprisingly ball in play has crept up steadily since the 80s. There’s actually less stoppages now than ever before.
Problem with big changes to player fatigue levels is that even small increases result in far greater risk of injury.
Also there’s a huge tension between the conditioning/physiques needed to scrum safely and effectively and that required to play multiphase running rugby.
So probably the best way to encourage wide attacking rugby, greater defensive commitment to the ruck and fewer stoppages is to:
a) reward committing more players to the ruck with possession NOT penalties;
b) lower the risk of going wide with too little support from a likely penalty to simply losing possession; and
c) make sure that refs see their role at the ruck as a fair fight for possession that should rarely result in a penalty.
Get rid of every ruck rule. Replace with: must enter from your side of the ball (more or less & regardless of angle) & only players on their feet count and may play the ball.
So basically the ELVs - which were awesome to play under and produced great rugby.
Nice post. Simplification with a focus on contest for possession.
Personally, I'd remove penalties for scrum infringements until it's actually them trying to not-scrum. Scrumming for a penalty is a blight on the game.
100% scrum is a competition for the ball...the reward for dominating one should be the ball...not 3 points
Put the ball in straight in the middle.
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Having thought about it, I think the best thing that can be done is a complete freeze of law changes unless for player safety.
After a few seasons, new rules (eg. .on competing for high balls) settle down pretty well so then they look at other stuff to change. A 5-10yr moratorium would be good.
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@booboo said in Stupid ideas to fix rugby:
@Kiwiwomble said in Stupid ideas to fix rugby:
@gt12 said in Stupid ideas to fix rugby:
@Smuts said in Stupid ideas to fix rugby:
Surprisingly ball in play has crept up steadily since the 80s. There’s actually less stoppages now than ever before.
Problem with big changes to player fatigue levels is that even small increases result in far greater risk of injury.
Also there’s a huge tension between the conditioning/physiques needed to scrum safely and effectively and that required to play multiphase running rugby.
So probably the best way to encourage wide attacking rugby, greater defensive commitment to the ruck and fewer stoppages is to:
a) reward committing more players to the ruck with possession NOT penalties;
b) lower the risk of going wide with too little support from a likely penalty to simply losing possession; and
c) make sure that refs see their role at the ruck as a fair fight for possession that should rarely result in a penalty.
Get rid of every ruck rule. Replace with: must enter from your side of the ball (more or less & regardless of angle) & only players on their feet count and may play the ball.
So basically the ELVs - which were awesome to play under and produced great rugby.
Nice post. Simplification with a focus on contest for possession.
Personally, I'd remove penalties for scrum infringements until it's actually them trying to not-scrum. Scrumming for a penalty is a blight on the game.
100% scrum is a competition for the ball...the reward for dominating one should be the ball...not 3 points
Put the ball in straight in the middle.
Woah woah, this is supposed to be stupid ideas, not batshit crazy ones.
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@Nepia said in Stupid ideas to fix rugby:
@booboo said in Stupid ideas to fix rugby:
@Kiwiwomble said in Stupid ideas to fix rugby:
@gt12 said in Stupid ideas to fix rugby:
@Smuts said in Stupid ideas to fix rugby:
Surprisingly ball in play has crept up steadily since the 80s. There’s actually less stoppages now than ever before.
Problem with big changes to player fatigue levels is that even small increases result in far greater risk of injury.
Also there’s a huge tension between the conditioning/physiques needed to scrum safely and effectively and that required to play multiphase running rugby.
So probably the best way to encourage wide attacking rugby, greater defensive commitment to the ruck and fewer stoppages is to:
a) reward committing more players to the ruck with possession NOT penalties;
b) lower the risk of going wide with too little support from a likely penalty to simply losing possession; and
c) make sure that refs see their role at the ruck as a fair fight for possession that should rarely result in a penalty.
Get rid of every ruck rule. Replace with: must enter from your side of the ball (more or less & regardless of angle) & only players on their feet count and may play the ball.
So basically the ELVs - which were awesome to play under and produced great rugby.
Nice post. Simplification with a focus on contest for possession.
Personally, I'd remove penalties for scrum infringements until it's actually them trying to not-scrum. Scrumming for a penalty is a blight on the game.
100% scrum is a competition for the ball...the reward for dominating one should be the ball...not 3 points
Put the ball in straight in the middle.
Woah woah, this is supposed to be stupid ideas, not batshit crazy ones.
imposing the laws we actually have...this place has finally gone too far
