Who should be AB captain?
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@gt12 said in Who should be AB captain?:
@voodoo said in Who should be AB captain?:
@Kirwan said in Who should be AB captain?:
I went Taylor, even though it’ll be hard to sub your captain every game
Why though? SA do it. Why not have one or 2 ready captaincy replacements for 20 mins? Seems a bit archaic to absolutely require your starting captain to go 80
Taylor all the way for me
Me too, but I'm more interested in who finishes. I can't see another person beyond Ardie. TBH, I'd have Barrett in the 23, but I don't rate him at all as a captain - he was a much better player when he was a YC/RC magnet. As a captain, the dangerous parts of his game have been squeezed out - which should be good - but all we are left with is an undersized lock.
100% agree with this. We aren’t seeing the real Scott Barrett at the moment.
@stodders said in Who should be AB captain?:
@gt12 said in Who should be AB captain?:
@voodoo said in Who should be AB captain?:
@Kirwan said in Who should be AB captain?:
I went Taylor, even though it’ll be hard to sub your captain every game
Why though? SA do it. Why not have one or 2 ready captaincy replacements for 20 mins? Seems a bit archaic to absolutely require your starting captain to go 80
Taylor all the way for me
Me too, but I'm more interested in who finishes. I can't see another person beyond Ardie. TBH, I'd have Barrett in the 23, but I don't rate him at all as a captain - he was a much better player when he was a YC/RC magnet. As a captain, the dangerous parts of his game have been squeezed out - which should be good - but all we are left with is an undersized lock.
100% agree with this. We aren’t seeing the real Scott Barrett at the moment.
He was a savage pre-captaincy.
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I think Savea off the bench as an impact sub makes sense. His athleticism would be able to make a real difference against tiring defences. Plus he covers midfield as a hybrid player, so ABs can go for a 6-2 bench split
@stodders said in Who should be AB captain?:
I think Savea off the bench as an impact sub makes sense. His athleticism would be able to make a real difference against tiring defences. Plus he covers midfield as a hybrid player, so ABs can go for a 6-2 bench split
You start putting him on the bench and he will be looking for an early release and go off to Japan.
These guys think they are the team.They cant countenance being dropped.
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@stodders said in Who should be AB captain?:
I think Savea off the bench as an impact sub makes sense. His athleticism would be able to make a real difference against tiring defences. Plus he covers midfield as a hybrid player, so ABs can go for a 6-2 bench split
You start putting him on the bench and he will be looking for an early release and go off to Japan.
These guys think they are the team.They cant countenance being dropped.
@Jet said in Who should be AB captain?:
@stodders said in Who should be AB captain?:
I think Savea off the bench as an impact sub makes sense. His athleticism would be able to make a real difference against tiring defences. Plus he covers midfield as a hybrid player, so ABs can go for a 6-2 bench split
You start putting him on the bench and he will be looking for an early release and go off to Japan.
These guys think they are the team.They cant countenance being dropped.
Then that is what needs to happen. A coach can't be held hostage because the NZRU have signed a player up. Players form goes up and down. The jersey is there to be earned, not owned.
If a player decides they don't want to fight for their jersey, it tells you a lot about their character and where their motivation lies. It probably would be a good test for Razor - drop the leadership group and see which ones come back harder and which ones seek an exit.
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I voted for Scooter on the condition they drop his brother.
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@stodders said in Who should be AB captain?:
I think Savea off the bench as an impact sub makes sense. His athleticism would be able to make a real difference against tiring defences. Plus he covers midfield as a hybrid player, so ABs can go for a 6-2 bench split
You start putting him on the bench and he will be looking for an early release and go off to Japan.
These guys think they are the team.They cant countenance being dropped.
@Jet said in Who should be AB captain?:
@stodders said in Who should be AB captain?:
I think Savea off the bench as an impact sub makes sense. His athleticism would be able to make a real difference against tiring defences. Plus he covers midfield as a hybrid player, so ABs can go for a 6-2 bench split
You start putting him on the bench and he will be looking for an early release and go off to Japan.
These guys think they are the team.They cant countenance being dropped.
I'm not so sure. He might enjoy not having his body beaten up over 80 minutes each week-he's not getting any younger.
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I voted for Scooter on the condition they drop his brother.
@ACT-Crusader said in Who should be AB captain?:
I voted for Scooter on the condition they drop his brother.
That'll mean Jordie gets the chop now. Be more precise please ACT!
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@stodders said in Who should be AB captain?:
@gt12 said in Who should be AB captain?:
@voodoo said in Who should be AB captain?:
@Kirwan said in Who should be AB captain?:
I went Taylor, even though it’ll be hard to sub your captain every game
Why though? SA do it. Why not have one or 2 ready captaincy replacements for 20 mins? Seems a bit archaic to absolutely require your starting captain to go 80
Taylor all the way for me
Me too, but I'm more interested in who finishes. I can't see another person beyond Ardie. TBH, I'd have Barrett in the 23, but I don't rate him at all as a captain - he was a much better player when he was a YC/RC magnet. As a captain, the dangerous parts of his game have been squeezed out - which should be good - but all we are left with is an undersized lock.
100% agree with this. We aren’t seeing the real Scott Barrett at the moment.
He was a savage pre-captaincy.
@Jet said in Who should be AB captain?:
@stodders said in Who should be AB captain?:
@gt12 said in Who should be AB captain?:
@voodoo said in Who should be AB captain?:
@Kirwan said in Who should be AB captain?:
I went Taylor, even though it’ll be hard to sub your captain every game
Why though? SA do it. Why not have one or 2 ready captaincy replacements for 20 mins? Seems a bit archaic to absolutely require your starting captain to go 80
Taylor all the way for me
Me too, but I'm more interested in who finishes. I can't see another person beyond Ardie. TBH, I'd have Barrett in the 23, but I don't rate him at all as a captain - he was a much better player when he was a YC/RC magnet. As a captain, the dangerous parts of his game have been squeezed out - which should be good - but all we are left with is an undersized lock.
100% agree with this. We aren’t seeing the real Scott Barrett at the moment.
He was a savage pre-captaincy.
I think this is a key thing, people seemt o get made captain....and then theyre just the captain...we dont seem to care if the captaincy is a burden or an honour that makes them raise above themselves
NOT suggesting for AB captaincy but as an example Tavatavanawai stepped up and is playing as good if not better after being made captain...others like scooter in my opinion seem to find it an additional burden
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@stodders said in Who should be AB captain?:
@gt12 said in Who should be AB captain?:
@voodoo said in Who should be AB captain?:
@Kirwan said in Who should be AB captain?:
I went Taylor, even though it’ll be hard to sub your captain every game
Why though? SA do it. Why not have one or 2 ready captaincy replacements for 20 mins? Seems a bit archaic to absolutely require your starting captain to go 80
Taylor all the way for me
Me too, but I'm more interested in who finishes. I can't see another person beyond Ardie. TBH, I'd have Barrett in the 23, but I don't rate him at all as a captain - he was a much better player when he was a YC/RC magnet. As a captain, the dangerous parts of his game have been squeezed out - which should be good - but all we are left with is an undersized lock.
100% agree with this. We aren’t seeing the real Scott Barrett at the moment.
He was a savage pre-captaincy.
@Jet said in Who should be AB captain?:
He was a savage pre-captaincy.
I'm not sure if the captaincy is the problem. I question whether his body is holding up
His form in SR has declined significantly... he's had lower back issues and other niggles. In SR he did pull out a handful of good performances but that was after a string of anonymous games
Maybe he's just banged up and can't reach a high standard week after week now?
Remove the captaincy from him and include him in the 23 sometimes. He can be used to ease Holland and Darry into their roles
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@reprobate said in Who should be AB captain?:
Taylor, Vaai and Jordie are the only guys I see as definite starters at this point.
Will Jordan? Roigard when fit?
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@reprobate said in Who should be AB captain?:
Taylor, Vaai and Jordie are the only guys I see as definite starters at this point.
Will Jordan? Roigard when fit?
@canefan said in Who should be AB captain?:
@reprobate said in Who should be AB captain?:
Taylor, Vaai and Jordie are the only guys I see as definite starters at this point.
Will Jordan? Roigard when fit?
Jordan was on my list a week ago.
Roigard, yep I just didn't want to jinx him as he is starting to look a bit Blackadder-esque. -
Jordan has to start, his attacking talents are unmatched and his try scoring record is the best in the world by a country mile. Razor just had to leave him on the bloody wing where he's been excelling at test level. Fullback just exposes his weaknesses.
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@stodders said in Who should be AB captain?:
I think Savea off the bench as an impact sub makes sense. His athleticism would be able to make a real difference against tiring defences. Plus he covers midfield as a hybrid player, so ABs can go for a 6-2 bench split
You start putting him on the bench and he will be looking for an early release and go off to Japan.
These guys think they are the team.They cant countenance being dropped.
@Jet said in Who should be AB captain?:
@stodders said in Who should be AB captain?:
I think Savea off the bench as an impact sub makes sense. His athleticism would be able to make a real difference against tiring defences. Plus he covers midfield as a hybrid player, so ABs can go for a 6-2 bench split
You start putting him on the bench and he will be looking for an early release and go off to Japan.
These guys think they are the team.They cant countenance being dropped.
Yup and the public will be on his side and it'll end up being a PR disaster.
Ardie does what Ardie wants.
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I think Savea should be the way to go.
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Taylor or Ardie for me, both seem to have the mana within the side. Barrett would be better in a support role and can concentrate on getting back to his best.
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Scooter is Ross Taylor. Where’s our Baz?
