All Blacks 2025
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@Chris The reason I asked was because I had no knowledge of why he was left out. Just a question bro no need to get too salty about it.
Otherwise it sucks that he’s injured again, hope it’s nothing serious.@upthelanders said in All Blacks 2025:
Otherwise it sucks that he’s injured again, hope it’s nothing serious.
Yep I totally agree with that.
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@akan004 said in All Blacks 2025:
@chimoaus said in All Blacks 2025:
Apologies if it’s been posted already but this did not make for good reading. Two worst ever this year. We need a new defensive coach.
It's all good according to Tamati. Nothing to worry about.
That's some disturbing reading. I feel I'm being gaslight as my eyes tell me whatever Ellison is saying clearly isn't working.
@antipodean said in All Blacks 2025:
@akan004 said in All Blacks 2025:
@chimoaus said in All Blacks 2025:
Apologies if it’s been posted already but this did not make for good reading. Two worst ever this year. We need a new defensive coach.
It's all good according to Tamati. Nothing to worry about.
That's some disturbing reading. I feel I'm being gaslight as my eyes tell me whatever Ellison is saying clearly isn't working.
Obviously you're not connecting the moments well enough.
By connecting the moments with the right body language you build the momentum to success.
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@antipodean said in All Blacks 2025:
@akan004 said in All Blacks 2025:
@chimoaus said in All Blacks 2025:
Apologies if it’s been posted already but this did not make for good reading. Two worst ever this year. We need a new defensive coach.
It's all good according to Tamati. Nothing to worry about.
That's some disturbing reading. I feel I'm being gaslight as my eyes tell me whatever Ellison is saying clearly isn't working.
Obviously you're not connecting the moments well enough.
By connecting the moments with the right body language you build the momentum to success.
@brodean said in All Blacks 2025:
@antipodean said in All Blacks 2025:
@akan004 said in All Blacks 2025:
@chimoaus said in All Blacks 2025:
Apologies if it’s been posted already but this did not make for good reading. Two worst ever this year. We need a new defensive coach.
It's all good according to Tamati. Nothing to worry about.
That's some disturbing reading. I feel I'm being gaslight as my eyes tell me whatever Ellison is saying clearly isn't working.
Obviously you're not connecting the moments well enough.
By connecting the moments with the right body language you build the momentum to success.
Jesus fucking wept. At this point I'd take Jamie Joseph regardless of results just to hear someone use a normal fucking sentence that makes sense.
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@stodders said in All Blacks 2025:
@Bovidae said in All Blacks 2025:
Who is the AB skills coach now? Hansen, Holland and Ellison don't inspire confidence.
There isn't a specific skills coach I believe, and hasn't been since Mick Byrne.
Just a bunch of guys who seemingly do similar things sort of, without clear defined roles. Typical middle management strategy
@canefan said in All Blacks 2025:
@stodders said in All Blacks 2025:
@Bovidae said in All Blacks 2025:
Who is the AB skills coach now? Hansen, Holland and Ellison don't inspire confidence.
There isn't a specific skills coach I believe, and hasn't been since Mick Byrne.
Just a bunch of guys who seemingly do similar things sort of, without clear defined roles. Typical middle management strategy
That’s not true.
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Im still fucking seething.
Cant remember the name of the poster who said this originally so apologies...
But our nadir coincided with when the sport ceased to be a spectacle.
He was bang on the money.
The stop start, skullduggery infused, sport we have now, doesnt suit us.
If it did we would be picking Ben Tameifuna and Karl Tu'inukuafe.
You need a gun out half and 14 other guttersnipes.
All this talk of the Boks playing Tony ball etc....nonsense. It will be 8 man rugby, whinging to the refs, physios on the field and moving the scoreboard in increments of 3 come 2027.
The refs freeze, the players freeze.
It was ever thus.
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@stodders said in All Blacks 2025:
@Bovidae said in All Blacks 2025:
Who is the AB skills coach now? Hansen, Holland and Ellison don't inspire confidence.
There isn't a specific skills coach I believe, and hasn't been since Mick Byrne.
Which was my point. David Hill was used as a kicking specialist under Hansen and Foster. Now they must be relying on one of the assistants I mentioned as a backs skills coach.
@Bovidae said in All Blacks 2025:
@stodders said in All Blacks 2025:
@Bovidae said in All Blacks 2025:
Who is the AB skills coach now? Hansen, Holland and Ellison don't inspire confidence.
There isn't a specific skills coach I believe, and hasn't been since Mick Byrne.
they must be relying on one of the assistants I mentioned as a backs skills coach.
Yes, you're right.
All the training photos & video clips show Jason Holland is the back's skills coach, you can see him managing the high-ball sessions and waving pool noodles in the player's faces.
Why there isn't being more criticism directed Holland's way by Canes supporters on here (@Canes4life @canefan, etc.) given the years of mediocrity they endured under his watch beats me.
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@brodean said in All Blacks 2025:
@antipodean said in All Blacks 2025:
@akan004 said in All Blacks 2025:
@chimoaus said in All Blacks 2025:
Apologies if it’s been posted already but this did not make for good reading. Two worst ever this year. We need a new defensive coach.
It's all good according to Tamati. Nothing to worry about.
That's some disturbing reading. I feel I'm being gaslight as my eyes tell me whatever Ellison is saying clearly isn't working.
Obviously you're not connecting the moments well enough.
By connecting the moments with the right body language you build the momentum to success.
Jesus fucking wept. At this point I'd take Jamie Joseph regardless of results just to hear someone use a normal fucking sentence that makes sense.
@reprobate said in All Blacks 2025:
@brodean said in All Blacks 2025:
@antipodean said in All Blacks 2025:
@akan004 said in All Blacks 2025:
@chimoaus said in All Blacks 2025:
Apologies if it’s been posted already but this did not make for good reading. Two worst ever this year. We need a new defensive coach.
It's all good according to Tamati. Nothing to worry about.
That's some disturbing reading. I feel I'm being gaslight as my eyes tell me whatever Ellison is saying clearly isn't working.
Obviously you're not connecting the moments well enough.
By connecting the moments with the right body language you build the momentum to success.
Jesus fucking wept. At this point I'd take Jamie Joseph regardless of results just to hear someone use a normal fucking sentence that makes sense.
The new system’s goal is to win the ball back, knowing the All Blacks are at their most dangerous with turnover ball in unstructured play. The coach said that emphasis is “massive”, not just in the breakdown, but in all areas of the game.
Jesus. We're living in the 2000's again (or trying to). Not convinced this works - our try at the weekend was superb, but it was not a quick strike off turnover ball
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@Bovidae said in All Blacks 2025:
@stodders said in All Blacks 2025:
@Bovidae said in All Blacks 2025:
Who is the AB skills coach now? Hansen, Holland and Ellison don't inspire confidence.
There isn't a specific skills coach I believe, and hasn't been since Mick Byrne.
they must be relying on one of the assistants I mentioned as a backs skills coach.
Yes, you're right.
All the training photos & video clips show Jason Holland is the back's skills coach, you can see him managing the high-ball sessions and waving pool noodles in the player's faces.
Why there isn't being more criticism directed Holland's way by Canes supporters on here (@Canes4life @canefan, etc.) given the years of mediocrity they endured under his watch beats me.
@restofit said in All Blacks 2025:
@Bovidae said in All Blacks 2025:
@stodders said in All Blacks 2025:
@Bovidae said in All Blacks 2025:
Who is the AB skills coach now? Hansen, Holland and Ellison don't inspire confidence.
There isn't a specific skills coach I believe, and hasn't been since Mick Byrne.
they must be relying on one of the assistants I mentioned as a backs skills coach.
Yes, you're right.
All the training photos & video clips show Jason Holland is the back's skills coach, you can see him managing the high-ball sessions and waving pool noodles in the player's faces.
Why there isn't being more criticism directed Holland's way by Canes supporters on here (@Canes4life @canefan, etc.) given the years of mediocrity they endured under his watch beats me.
You probably missed it mate, I mentioned this in the All Blacks vs Springbok 2 thread: My issue here is that the coaching simply isn't good enough, especially in the backs. Holland and Ellison are both out of their depth and my question is how much longer can we afford to put up with it?
I've felt Holland has been out of his depth ever since he automatically got the head coaching gig at the Canes, was even more baffled when Razor wanted him on his team. Would love to see him go... far away back to Ireland for all I care.
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@restofit said in All Blacks 2025:
@Bovidae said in All Blacks 2025:
@stodders said in All Blacks 2025:
@Bovidae said in All Blacks 2025:
Who is the AB skills coach now? Hansen, Holland and Ellison don't inspire confidence.
There isn't a specific skills coach I believe, and hasn't been since Mick Byrne.
they must be relying on one of the assistants I mentioned as a backs skills coach.
Yes, you're right.
All the training photos & video clips show Jason Holland is the back's skills coach, you can see him managing the high-ball sessions and waving pool noodles in the player's faces.
Why there isn't being more criticism directed Holland's way by Canes supporters on here (@Canes4life @canefan, etc.) given the years of mediocrity they endured under his watch beats me.
You probably missed it mate, I mentioned this in the All Blacks vs Springbok 2 thread: My issue here is that the coaching simply isn't good enough, especially in the backs. Holland and Ellison are both out of their depth and my question is how much longer can we afford to put up with it?
I've felt Holland has been out of his depth ever since he automatically got the head coaching gig at the Canes, was even more baffled when Razor wanted him on his team. Would love to see him go... far away back to Ireland for all I care.
@Canes4life said in All Blacks 2025:
I've felt Holland has been out of his depth ever since he automatically got the head coaching gig at the Canes, was even more baffled when Razor wanted him on his team.
Holland was assistant coach to Canterbury at the same time as Razor. Razor seems to be a relationship guy - he trusts people he has known for some time. It's great, but only if they are actually really good coaches.
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@Canes4life said in All Blacks 2025:
I've felt Holland has been out of his depth ever since he automatically got the head coaching gig at the Canes, was even more baffled when Razor wanted him on his team.
Holland was assistant coach to Canterbury at the same time as Razor. Razor seems to be a relationship guy - he trusts people he has known for some time. It's great, but only if they are actually really good coaches.
@nzzp said in All Blacks 2025:
@Canes4life said in All Blacks 2025:
I've felt Holland has been out of his depth ever since he automatically got the head coaching gig at the Canes, was even more baffled when Razor wanted him on his team.
Holland was assistant coach to Canterbury at the same time as Razor. Razor seems to be a relationship guy - he trusts people he has known for some time. It's great, but only if they are actually really good coaches.
Which Holland has proven he’s not.
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@nzzp said in All Blacks 2025:
@Canes4life said in All Blacks 2025:
I've felt Holland has been out of his depth ever since he automatically got the head coaching gig at the Canes, was even more baffled when Razor wanted him on his team.
Holland was assistant coach to Canterbury at the same time as Razor. Razor seems to be a relationship guy - he trusts people he has known for some time. It's great, but only if they are actually really good coaches.
Which Holland has proven he’s not.
@Canes4life said in All Blacks 2025:
@nzzp said in All Blacks 2025:
@Canes4life said in All Blacks 2025:
I've felt Holland has been out of his depth ever since he automatically got the head coaching gig at the Canes, was even more baffled when Razor wanted him on his team.
Holland was assistant coach to Canterbury at the same time as Razor. Razor seems to be a relationship guy - he trusts people he has known for some time. It's great, but only if they are actually really good coaches.
Which Holland has proven he’s not.
And the jury is out on Tamati Ellison and Scott Hansen.
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@Canes4life said in All Blacks 2025:
@nzzp said in All Blacks 2025:
@Canes4life said in All Blacks 2025:
I've felt Holland has been out of his depth ever since he automatically got the head coaching gig at the Canes, was even more baffled when Razor wanted him on his team.
Holland was assistant coach to Canterbury at the same time as Razor. Razor seems to be a relationship guy - he trusts people he has known for some time. It's great, but only if they are actually really good coaches.
Which Holland has proven he’s not.
And the jury is out on Tamati Ellison and Scott Hansen.
@nzzp said in All Blacks 2025:
@Canes4life said in All Blacks 2025:
@nzzp said in All Blacks 2025:
@Canes4life said in All Blacks 2025:
I've felt Holland has been out of his depth ever since he automatically got the head coaching gig at the Canes, was even more baffled when Razor wanted him on his team.
Holland was assistant coach to Canterbury at the same time as Razor. Razor seems to be a relationship guy - he trusts people he has known for some time. It's great, but only if they are actually really good coaches.
Which Holland has proven he’s not.
And the jury is out on Tamati Ellison and Scott Hansen.
That's a very generous take
I would say the jury is in and they aren't up to it.
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Going to be interesting to see how Dave Kidwell goes as defence coach at the highlanders next year , not sure leaguees have been used in nz before ? but have had success elsewhere.
Jamie Joseph is obviously open to it .
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@nzzp said in All Blacks 2025:
@Canes4life said in All Blacks 2025:
@nzzp said in All Blacks 2025:
@Canes4life said in All Blacks 2025:
I've felt Holland has been out of his depth ever since he automatically got the head coaching gig at the Canes, was even more baffled when Razor wanted him on his team.
Holland was assistant coach to Canterbury at the same time as Razor. Razor seems to be a relationship guy - he trusts people he has known for some time. It's great, but only if they are actually really good coaches.
Which Holland has proven he’s not.
And the jury is out on Tamati Ellison and Scott Hansen.
That's a very generous take
I would say the jury is in and they aren't up to it.
@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks 2025:
@nzzp said in All Blacks 2025:
@Canes4life said in All Blacks 2025:
@nzzp said in All Blacks 2025:
@Canes4life said in All Blacks 2025:
I've felt Holland has been out of his depth ever since he automatically got the head coaching gig at the Canes, was even more baffled when Razor wanted him on his team.
Holland was assistant coach to Canterbury at the same time as Razor. Razor seems to be a relationship guy - he trusts people he has known for some time. It's great, but only if they are actually really good coaches.
Which Holland has proven he’s not.
And the jury is out on Tamati Ellison and Scott Hansen.
That's a very generous take
I would say the jury is in and they aren't up to it.
Bin the lot
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Going to be interesting to see how Dave Kidwell goes as defence coach at the highlanders next year , not sure leaguees have been used in nz before ? but have had success elsewhere.
Jamie Joseph is obviously open to it .
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@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks 2025:
@nzzp said in All Blacks 2025:
@Canes4life said in All Blacks 2025:
@nzzp said in All Blacks 2025:
@Canes4life said in All Blacks 2025:
I've felt Holland has been out of his depth ever since he automatically got the head coaching gig at the Canes, was even more baffled when Razor wanted him on his team.
Holland was assistant coach to Canterbury at the same time as Razor. Razor seems to be a relationship guy - he trusts people he has known for some time. It's great, but only if they are actually really good coaches.
Which Holland has proven he’s not.
And the jury is out on Tamati Ellison and Scott Hansen.
That's a very generous take
I would say the jury is in and they aren't up to it.
Bin the lot
@canefan said in All Blacks 2025:
@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks 2025:
@nzzp said in All Blacks 2025:
@Canes4life said in All Blacks 2025:
@nzzp said in All Blacks 2025:
@Canes4life said in All Blacks 2025:
I've felt Holland has been out of his depth ever since he automatically got the head coaching gig at the Canes, was even more baffled when Razor wanted him on his team.
Holland was assistant coach to Canterbury at the same time as Razor. Razor seems to be a relationship guy - he trusts people he has known for some time. It's great, but only if they are actually really good coaches.
Which Holland has proven he’s not.
And the jury is out on Tamati Ellison and Scott Hansen.
That's a very generous take
I would say the jury is in and they aren't up to it.
Bin the lot
Yeah there is not a single one I would keep. Would be quite a big payout? So not really a possibility I would think. These types of contracts should be performance based though.
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If I was an outside back in a super.team this year, id try to hook up with someone in one of the AFL teams in nz to work on thier high ball work over the summer.
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@nzzp said in All Blacks 2025:
@Canes4life said in All Blacks 2025:
I've felt Holland has been out of his depth ever since he automatically got the head coaching gig at the Canes, was even more baffled when Razor wanted him on his team.
Holland was assistant coach to Canterbury at the same time as Razor. Razor seems to be a relationship guy - he trusts people he has known for some time. It's great, but only if they are actually really good coaches.
Which Holland has proven he’s not.
@Canes4life said in All Blacks 2025:
@nzzp said in All Blacks 2025:
@Canes4life said in All Blacks 2025:
I've felt Holland has been out of his depth ever since he automatically got the head coaching gig at the Canes, was even more baffled when Razor wanted him on his team.
Holland was assistant coach to Canterbury at the same time as Razor. Razor seems to be a relationship guy - he trusts people he has known for some time. It's great, but only if they are actually really good coaches.
Which Holland has proven he’s not.
Holland is the strike play coach, no? Out of all the coaches this year, he’s been earning his corn off first phase. Not a great deal he can do if the team can’t win good first phase ball. They did in the first test against Boks and they carved them open for 2 tries. That suggests some degree of good coaching, no?
Scott Hansen is in charge of the AB attack. Methinks it is him that the majority of the ire needs to be directed at.
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@Canes4life said in All Blacks 2025:
@nzzp said in All Blacks 2025:
@Canes4life said in All Blacks 2025:
I've felt Holland has been out of his depth ever since he automatically got the head coaching gig at the Canes, was even more baffled when Razor wanted him on his team.
Holland was assistant coach to Canterbury at the same time as Razor. Razor seems to be a relationship guy - he trusts people he has known for some time. It's great, but only if they are actually really good coaches.
Which Holland has proven he’s not.
Holland is the strike play coach, no? Out of all the coaches this year, he’s been earning his corn off first phase. Not a great deal he can do if the team can’t win good first phase ball. They did in the first test against Boks and they carved them open for 2 tries. That suggests some degree of good coaching, no?
Scott Hansen is in charge of the AB attack. Methinks it is him that the majority of the ire needs to be directed at.
@stodders said in All Blacks 2025:
@Canes4life said in All Blacks 2025:
@nzzp said in All Blacks 2025:
@Canes4life said in All Blacks 2025:
I've felt Holland has been out of his depth ever since he automatically got the head coaching gig at the Canes, was even more baffled when Razor wanted him on his team.
Holland was assistant coach to Canterbury at the same time as Razor. Razor seems to be a relationship guy - he trusts people he has known for some time. It's great, but only if they are actually really good coaches.
Which Holland has proven he’s not.
Holland is the strike play coach, no? Out of all the coaches this year, he’s been earning his corn off first phase. Not a great deal he can do if the team can’t win good first phase ball. They did in the first test against Boks and they carved them open for 2 tries. That suggests some degree of good coaching, no?
Scott Hansen is in charge of the AB attack. Methinks it is him that the majority of the ire needs to be directed at.
The Eddie jones article that is floating around really hits the nail on the head in terms of the all blacks attack. Barrett isn’t/can’t operate as a first receiver. Components with the fact our other option at 10 is a 80kg midget who can’t take the line on when it’s set. So it puts an enormous amount of pressure on our outside backs.
