All Blacks vs Wallabies Bledisloe I
-
@reprobate said in All Blacks vs Wallabies Bledisloe I:
A few thoughts:
Lineout just looks so much better with Holland there. Don't have to do complicated shit that we fuck up, just throw it to the big fella. That's worth a fair bit - and even more if Taylor is ever not playing, because his lineout throwing is far better than our other options, who do have their own strengths.
I don't even know what we should do with our loosies anymore. Other teams have a Wilson, Matera, Wiese. We don't have a brutal ball runner. Sititi is a shadow of last year. Savea is average between a couple of highlights. We aren't playing a worker either - I think that's why we look better when Holland and Newell are on the field, because they pick up some of that slack.
With McKenzie playing, immediately our backs were running onto the ball. Night and day.
Roigard obviously makes a big difference.
The high kicks are a lottery. Have a lucky day with a couple and some dubious ref decisions and cracks are papered over. At least our kicking was a bit more accurate and our chase a bit more organised this week.
Our try-line defence used to be really good. Now it is shit. Aussies clearly thinking about theirs and holding us up, good smart play.Looked so much better with McKenzie. BB can’t help himself - penalty advantage, front foot running ball inside the 22 and he cross kicks. FFS.
-
@Frank said in All Blacks vs Wallabies Bledisloe I:
Proctor should be dropped.
But he might be saved by the lack of a clear alternative.
Rieko is in horrible form.I still don’t get why they are using Proctor the way they are. He spends most of his time as a dummy runner or cleaning rucks which should be the job of the loosies. I get that we crash the ball a lot on first phase and more often Proctor is the first man there but surely a 13 shouldn’t be cleaning 20+ rucks a game, it’s just ridiculous. He probably had four touches on attack and a couple carries which were solid but using him as a fourth loosie is just odd and something he doesn’t look comfortable doing.
-
@reprobate said in All Blacks vs Wallabies Bledisloe I:
We don't have a brutal ball runner.
I can't recall the last player we had that just trucked it up full tilt.
Even peak Read didnt really like those guys do, he was a bit more subtle but then he had cleaners and forwards there instantly to secure ball.
-
@African-Monkey said in All Blacks vs Wallabies Bledisloe I:
Is it time to consider Papali'i?
Hell, yes! And welcome to the club!
-
@sparky said in All Blacks vs Wallabies Bledisloe I:
@Darth-Sader It was an error to appoint an All Blacks Head Coach without significant international coaching experience. Future All Blacks Test coaches must have coached at Test level before being considered for the big job.
I think the best answer given where we are now is to keep Robertson, but to have a clear out the assistants as soon as possible apart from Jason Ryan and to search the globe for the best coaches who are willing to work with this All Blacks team for the money NZR have available. These coaches aren't good enough.
Spot on. They gave Razor complete control. Another mistake from Robinson led NZRFU.
-
Beauden gun player in his prime but no one beats father time and it's a good opportunity to give Love and bring in Jacomb or Reihana into the squad a chance to play at 10. Obviously DMac will start next week but these blokes need to be tested at international level playing 10 at some point.
-
@MN5 said in All Blacks vs Wallabies Bledisloe I:
You reckon ? or has he just hit the wall ?
As others said, 31, for a forward is not that old.
-
@sparky said in All Blacks vs Wallabies Bledisloe I:
@African-Monkey said in All Blacks vs Wallabies Bledisloe I:
Is it time to consider Papali'i?
Hell, yes! And welcome to the club!
Something needs to happen as the balance in the loose trio is all over the place and our work around the ruck is horrible. Having him there will at least have someone who will focus specifically on that area.
-
@taniwharugby said in All Blacks vs Wallabies Bledisloe I:
@reprobate said in All Blacks vs Wallabies Bledisloe I:
We don't have a brutal ball runner.
I can't recall the last player we had that just trucked it up full tilt.
Even peak Read didnt really like those guys do, he was a bit more subtle but then he had cleaners and forwards there instantly to secure ball.
Going back to the discussion around players in NZ that are similar to Read, I feel one guy that I thought would be the next Read is Devan Flanders. Unfortunately he’s just always injured, if he can go for a long period without getting injured, he’s someone that’s definitely got a similar frame and skillset and could flourish on at test level. Needs to improve his physicality though.
-
@taniwharugby said in All Blacks vs Wallabies Bledisloe I:
@reprobate said in All Blacks vs Wallabies Bledisloe I:
We don't have a brutal ball runner.
I can't recall the last player we had that just trucked it up full tilt.
Even peak Read didnt really like those guys do, he was a bit more subtle but then he had cleaners and forwards there instantly to secure ball.
Disagree mate, early Read would catch a kick and just put the hammer down straight into contact as hard as he could - very Wilson like, although not as solid a frame for sure. We need someone like that.
-
@Dan54 said in All Blacks vs Wallabies Bledisloe I:
I thought Holland was bloody good, plays like a lock should winning lineout ball and just working.
I didn't see his tackle count but I'm guessing it is one of the higher ones.
-
@sparky said in All Blacks vs Wallabies Bledisloe I:
@Darth-Sader It was an error to appoint an All Blacks Head Coach without significant international coaching experience. Future All Blacks Test coaches must have coached at Test level before being considered for the big job.
I think the best answer given where we are now is to keep Robertson, but to have a clear out the assistants as soon as possible apart from Jason Ryan and to search the globe for the best coaches who are willing to work with this All Blacks team for the money NZR have available. These coaches aren't good enough.
How will NZ coaches get international opportunities in future when they aren’t seen to be at the forefront of innovation anymore?
I think we will see more South Africans in overseas coaching jobs in the coming years, precisely because they are seen to be leading the game.
-
@reprobate early Read wasn't peak Read
But that's kinda my point, how long ago was that? We just dont run it straight, always slowing into contact or stepping to give that dumb off load to someone in a worse spot.
-
@Chuck72 said in All Blacks vs Wallabies Bledisloe I:
@kpkanz we scored 3 with him, so why not?
There are deeper underlying issues being discussed than just 'how many points were scored with this player on the field'.
If you suggest we keep Beauden at 10, don't complain when we look completely toothless on attack, static, and have any player from 12 onwards getting the ball and defender at the same time.
-
-
I don't have much to say other than it was so refreshing to watch DMac at 10 not kicking away possession with those speculative shitty chip kicks that are beadens specialty. . And also setting up his outside backs.
I honestly think that type of shift (30 mins) is the best you can get out of Beauden - the longer he plays the more his play diminishes. He can't give you a good 80 minutes.
-
@nostrildamus said in All Blacks vs Wallabies Bledisloe I:
Strange seeing spark on both wings.
I love Carter's angry mo. He's like a pissed off Mario.My thoughts were he's a terrier, or chihuahua, that doesn't realise how small he is.
-
Savea is our Kwagga Smith, could be awesome off the bench when the game opens up and he doesn't have to put in a full day at the office.
-
@stodders said in All Blacks vs Wallabies Bledisloe I:
Lakai had a decent cameo. He’s a better 7 than Savea overall. He just needs to work on his 1-2 clutch plays per game to usurp Savea
Maybe play Lakai at 7, not 8.
I liked what I saw from Lakai tonight more than what Kirifi has offered tbh.
