All Blacks vs Wallabies Bledisloe I
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Beauden gun player in his prime but no one beats father time and it's a good opportunity to give Love and bring in Jacomb or Reihana into the squad a chance to play at 10. Obviously DMac will start next week but these blokes need to be tested at international level playing 10 at some point.
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@MN5 said in All Blacks vs Wallabies Bledisloe I:
You reckon ? or has he just hit the wall ?
As others said, 31, for a forward is not that old.
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@sparky said in All Blacks vs Wallabies Bledisloe I:
@African-Monkey said in All Blacks vs Wallabies Bledisloe I:
Is it time to consider Papali'i?
Hell, yes! And welcome to the club!
Something needs to happen as the balance in the loose trio is all over the place and our work around the ruck is horrible. Having him there will at least have someone who will focus specifically on that area.
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@taniwharugby said in All Blacks vs Wallabies Bledisloe I:
@reprobate said in All Blacks vs Wallabies Bledisloe I:
We don't have a brutal ball runner.
I can't recall the last player we had that just trucked it up full tilt.
Even peak Read didnt really like those guys do, he was a bit more subtle but then he had cleaners and forwards there instantly to secure ball.
Going back to the discussion around players in NZ that are similar to Read, I feel one guy that I thought would be the next Read is Devan Flanders. Unfortunately he’s just always injured, if he can go for a long period without getting injured, he’s someone that’s definitely got a similar frame and skillset and could flourish on at test level. Needs to improve his physicality though.
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@taniwharugby said in All Blacks vs Wallabies Bledisloe I:
@reprobate said in All Blacks vs Wallabies Bledisloe I:
We don't have a brutal ball runner.
I can't recall the last player we had that just trucked it up full tilt.
Even peak Read didnt really like those guys do, he was a bit more subtle but then he had cleaners and forwards there instantly to secure ball.
Disagree mate, early Read would catch a kick and just put the hammer down straight into contact as hard as he could - very Wilson like, although not as solid a frame for sure. We need someone like that.
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@Dan54 said in All Blacks vs Wallabies Bledisloe I:
I thought Holland was bloody good, plays like a lock should winning lineout ball and just working.
I didn't see his tackle count but I'm guessing it is one of the higher ones.
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@sparky said in All Blacks vs Wallabies Bledisloe I:
@Darth-Sader It was an error to appoint an All Blacks Head Coach without significant international coaching experience. Future All Blacks Test coaches must have coached at Test level before being considered for the big job.
I think the best answer given where we are now is to keep Robertson, but to have a clear out the assistants as soon as possible apart from Jason Ryan and to search the globe for the best coaches who are willing to work with this All Blacks team for the money NZR have available. These coaches aren't good enough.
How will NZ coaches get international opportunities in future when they aren’t seen to be at the forefront of innovation anymore?
I think we will see more South Africans in overseas coaching jobs in the coming years, precisely because they are seen to be leading the game.
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@reprobate early Read wasn't peak Read
But that's kinda my point, how long ago was that? We just dont run it straight, always slowing into contact or stepping to give that dumb off load to someone in a worse spot.
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@Chuck72 said in All Blacks vs Wallabies Bledisloe I:
@kpkanz we scored 3 with him, so why not?
There are deeper underlying issues being discussed than just 'how many points were scored with this player on the field'.
If you suggest we keep Beauden at 10, don't complain when we look completely toothless on attack, static, and have any player from 12 onwards getting the ball and defender at the same time.
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I don't have much to say other than it was so refreshing to watch DMac at 10 not kicking away possession with those speculative shitty chip kicks that are beadens specialty. . And also setting up his outside backs.
I honestly think that type of shift (30 mins) is the best you can get out of Beauden - the longer he plays the more his play diminishes. He can't give you a good 80 minutes.
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@nostrildamus said in All Blacks vs Wallabies Bledisloe I:
Strange seeing spark on both wings.
I love Carter's angry mo. He's like a pissed off Mario.My thoughts were he's a terrier, or chihuahua, that doesn't realise how small he is.
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Savea is our Kwagga Smith, could be awesome off the bench when the game opens up and he doesn't have to put in a full day at the office.
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@stodders said in All Blacks vs Wallabies Bledisloe I:
Lakai had a decent cameo. He’s a better 7 than Savea overall. He just needs to work on his 1-2 clutch plays per game to usurp Savea
Maybe play Lakai at 7, not 8.
I liked what I saw from Lakai tonight more than what Kirifi has offered tbh.
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@booboo said in All Blacks vs Wallabies Bledisloe I:
@nostrildamus said in All Blacks vs Wallabies Bledisloe I:
Strange seeing spark on both wings.
I love Carter's angry mo. He's like a pissed off Mario.My thoughts were he's a terrier, or chihuahua, that doesn't realise how small he is.
Jack Russell.
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@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks vs Wallabies Bledisloe I:
Can we have Jordie kick plz
What is this fascination with Beaudie kicking? If Jordie is on the field use him. He's just better.
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@booboo said in All Blacks vs Wallabies Bledisloe I:
@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks vs Wallabies Bledisloe I:
Can we have Jordie kick plz
What is this fascination with Beaudie kicking? If Jordie is on the field use him. He's just better.
Just don’t get him to take the kick when a playoff game is on the line. Missed two for the Canes in playoffs (both games against the Brumbies) and one for the ABs in the last WC final.
I’m happy with DMac to take the close kicks and Jordie to bang them from longer range.
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@booboo said in All Blacks vs Wallabies Bledisloe I:
@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks vs Wallabies Bledisloe I:
Can we have Jordie kick plz
What is this fascination with Beaudie kicking? If Jordie is on the field use him. He's just better.
Jordie can’t replicate the tinny chip kick plays that Beauden does, where the ball bounces on its end and straight into his arms with the defence flat footed.
Then again, neither can Beauden since around 2018
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@tubbyj said in All Blacks vs Wallabies Bledisloe I:
Tamiti Ellison is a bigger thief drawing a coaching salary for defence than he was drawing a salary as a Super rugby player.
Have to admire a man who is defense coach of the Crusaders in their worst season in years and then slides into the All Black job and concedes record amounts of points but receives very little scrutiny for either.
He is the invisible man when it comes to accountability.
His interviews are Scott Hansen esque too.
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@booboo said in All Blacks vs Wallabies Bledisloe I:
@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks vs Wallabies Bledisloe I:
Can we have Jordie kick plz
What is this fascination with Beaudie kicking? If Jordie is on the field use him. He's just better.
Kicking in general play, kicking from penalties or goal kicking? Agree that Jordie is better at all of them.
