All Blacks vs Wallabies Bledisloe I
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@Jet said in All Blacks vs Wallabies Bledisloe I:
@Darth-Sader said in All Blacks vs Wallabies Bledisloe I:
@nostrildamus said in All Blacks vs Wallabies Bledisloe I:
how to win the game and yet not change the mind of your fans.
You can’t say we’ve really got on top of any of the three RC teams. SA was a real reality dose, and tonight feels a bit lucky too. Not great.
Razors wins are all by a fag papers width.
We have been blessed to have won some of these games.
Bit harsh with that description of the Herald
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@BerniesCorner said in All Blacks vs Wallabies Bledisloe I:
@sparky Literally saved Razor from a massive Fern rant.
he says he doesn't read media..
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@Canes4life said in All Blacks vs Wallabies Bledisloe I:
@Frank said in All Blacks vs Wallabies Bledisloe I:
@Canes4life said in All Blacks vs Wallabies Bledisloe I:
Going back to the discussion around players in NZ that are similar to Read, I feel one guy that I thought would be the next Read is Devan Flanders.
You suggesting a Hurricanes player.
Well, fuck me!As a Wellingtonian I hate to talk up Hawkes Bay players but to me he would be the most like Read if you compared size and his ball playing ability, aggression and physicality is where those comparisons fall short but he could get there if he had a good stretch without being injured. Playing very well for the Magpies this season.
Hugh Renton was another guy I thought could be the next K Read but probably didn’t reach the heights he could have for multiple reasons. Not even sure if he’s at the Highlanders for next season.
Read was ( and I emphasise ‘was’, crikey he is looking slim since he retired ) a similar size to Papalii ( and guys like Squire and Dixon before him ) and smaller than Parker and Finau. What he had was that intangible hard running quality that seems so lacking in guys nowadays apart from Ardie Savea. Why is that ?
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@MN5 said in All Blacks vs Wallabies Bledisloe I:
@Canes4life said in All Blacks vs Wallabies Bledisloe I:
@Frank said in All Blacks vs Wallabies Bledisloe I:
@Canes4life said in All Blacks vs Wallabies Bledisloe I:
Going back to the discussion around players in NZ that are similar to Read, I feel one guy that I thought would be the next Read is Devan Flanders.
You suggesting a Hurricanes player.
Well, fuck me!As a Wellingtonian I hate to talk up Hawkes Bay players but to me he would be the most like Read if you compared size and his ball playing ability, aggression and physicality is where those comparisons fall short but he could get there if he had a good stretch without being injured. Playing very well for the Magpies this season.
Hugh Renton was another guy I thought could be the next K Read but probably didn’t reach the heights he could have for multiple reasons. Not even sure if he’s at the Highlanders for next season.
Read was ( and I emphasise ‘was’, crikey he is looking slim since he retired ) a similar size to Papalii ( and guys like Squire and Dixon before him ) and smaller than Parker and Finau. What he had was that intangible hard running quality that seems so lacking in guys nowadays apart from Ardie Savea. Why is that ?
Savea isn't really a hard runner, he generally only starts running after someone has tackled him. And how dare they?
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The tactics by both teams in attack were surprisingly very similar.
Both teams had the lowest number of kicks in play for any test they have played this year. The setups for hr in close carrying.
Was promising to see us win 100% of our set piece. Especially when some were predicting Aussies would attack our set piece after the Boks test.
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@reprobate said in All Blacks vs Wallabies Bledisloe I:
@MN5 said in All Blacks vs Wallabies Bledisloe I:
@Canes4life said in All Blacks vs Wallabies Bledisloe I:
@Frank said in All Blacks vs Wallabies Bledisloe I:
@Canes4life said in All Blacks vs Wallabies Bledisloe I:
Going back to the discussion around players in NZ that are similar to Read, I feel one guy that I thought would be the next Read is Devan Flanders.
You suggesting a Hurricanes player.
Well, fuck me!As a Wellingtonian I hate to talk up Hawkes Bay players but to me he would be the most like Read if you compared size and his ball playing ability, aggression and physicality is where those comparisons fall short but he could get there if he had a good stretch without being injured. Playing very well for the Magpies this season.
Hugh Renton was another guy I thought could be the next K Read but probably didn’t reach the heights he could have for multiple reasons. Not even sure if he’s at the Highlanders for next season.
Read was ( and I emphasise ‘was’, crikey he is looking slim since he retired ) a similar size to Papalii ( and guys like Squire and Dixon before him ) and smaller than Parker and Finau. What he had was that intangible hard running quality that seems so lacking in guys nowadays apart from Ardie Savea. Why is that ?
Savea isn't really a hard runner, he generally only starts running after someone has tackled him. And how dare they?
He is compared to everyone else, I would have had Sititi in that category last year but not so much on recent form
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@sparky said in All Blacks vs Wallabies Bledisloe I:
This was the key moment:
This came after a long period of Ardie watching the game from midfield. I actually said my oldest son, watch how lazy Ardie is, he will refuse to hit a ruck or put a shoulder in. He did this for 5 phases in a row then gave away an idiotic penalty
5 mins later he does the thing in the clip you sent, and apparently all is forgiven again and he’s having a “key moment”
He’s a total fraud
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@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks vs Wallabies Bledisloe I:
Jorgenson's shaping up to be some player.
Shades of Christian Cullen?
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@MN5 said in All Blacks vs Wallabies Bledisloe I:
@reprobate said in All Blacks vs Wallabies Bledisloe I:
@MN5 said in All Blacks vs Wallabies Bledisloe I:
@Canes4life said in All Blacks vs Wallabies Bledisloe I:
@Frank said in All Blacks vs Wallabies Bledisloe I:
@Canes4life said in All Blacks vs Wallabies Bledisloe I:
Going back to the discussion around players in NZ that are similar to Read, I feel one guy that I thought would be the next Read is Devan Flanders.
You suggesting a Hurricanes player.
Well, fuck me!As a Wellingtonian I hate to talk up Hawkes Bay players but to me he would be the most like Read if you compared size and his ball playing ability, aggression and physicality is where those comparisons fall short but he could get there if he had a good stretch without being injured. Playing very well for the Magpies this season.
Hugh Renton was another guy I thought could be the next K Read but probably didn’t reach the heights he could have for multiple reasons. Not even sure if he’s at the Highlanders for next season.
Read was ( and I emphasise ‘was’, crikey he is looking slim since he retired ) a similar size to Papalii ( and guys like Squire and Dixon before him ) and smaller than Parker and Finau. What he had was that intangible hard running quality that seems so lacking in guys nowadays apart from Ardie Savea. Why is that ?
Savea isn't really a hard runner, he generally only starts running after someone has tackled him. And how dare they?
He is compared to everyone else, I would have had Sititi in that category last year but not so much on recent form
Sititi last year not a hard runner for me, more a silky runner with very quick feet for a somewhat sizeable guy. Doesn't go through people, just messes up their defensive alignment enough that all the momentum is his.
Finau can wind up and run hard, but he's clearly out of favour.
Tuipolotu, Samisoni, Taylor, Aumua.
Having some big fluffybunny wind up and just smash into the defence is a real team motivator I've always found - it's the 'follow me' we need. -
@reprobate said in All Blacks vs Wallabies Bledisloe I:
@MN5 said in All Blacks vs Wallabies Bledisloe I:
@reprobate said in All Blacks vs Wallabies Bledisloe I:
@MN5 said in All Blacks vs Wallabies Bledisloe I:
@Canes4life said in All Blacks vs Wallabies Bledisloe I:
@Frank said in All Blacks vs Wallabies Bledisloe I:
@Canes4life said in All Blacks vs Wallabies Bledisloe I:
Going back to the discussion around players in NZ that are similar to Read, I feel one guy that I thought would be the next Read is Devan Flanders.
You suggesting a Hurricanes player.
Well, fuck me!As a Wellingtonian I hate to talk up Hawkes Bay players but to me he would be the most like Read if you compared size and his ball playing ability, aggression and physicality is where those comparisons fall short but he could get there if he had a good stretch without being injured. Playing very well for the Magpies this season.
Hugh Renton was another guy I thought could be the next K Read but probably didn’t reach the heights he could have for multiple reasons. Not even sure if he’s at the Highlanders for next season.
Read was ( and I emphasise ‘was’, crikey he is looking slim since he retired ) a similar size to Papalii ( and guys like Squire and Dixon before him ) and smaller than Parker and Finau. What he had was that intangible hard running quality that seems so lacking in guys nowadays apart from Ardie Savea. Why is that ?
Savea isn't really a hard runner, he generally only starts running after someone has tackled him. And how dare they?
He is compared to everyone else, I would have had Sititi in that category last year but not so much on recent form
Sititi last year not a hard runner for me, more a silky runner with very quick feet for a somewhat sizeable guy. Doesn't go through people, just messes up their defensive alignment enough that all the momentum is his.
Finau can wind up and run hard, but he's clearly out of favour.
> Tuipolotu, Samisoni, Taylor, Aumua.
Having some big fluffybunny wind up and just smash into the defence is a real team motivator I've always found - it's the 'follow me' we need.Absolutely but noticeable that none of these guys have 6 or 8 on their backs.
Can’t have three hookers on the field at once unfortunately.
Also Tuipulotu hasn’t done it at test level nearly as much as Super level.
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@voodoo I'm pleased to see more people seeing what I've been seeing. I'm firmly of the belief if he sat on the pine, half our problems would be resolved.
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@Biorealism said in All Blacks vs Wallabies Bledisloe I:
@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks vs Wallabies Bledisloe I:
Jorgenson's shaping up to be some player.
Shades of Christian Cullen?
Cullen looked like he was gliding when he ran, Max alludes defenders more like Ben Smith in my view. Max is a class player and he’s still so young.
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What the Wallabies did well was heads up rugby with short passes letting the ball create space - the unstructured stuff we used to do. That’s why they looked more dangerous running. Now every thing we do is a pod, a box kick, a cross field kick. Our players were turning in and running into contact - Va’ai and Tupaea both bombed tries. Attacking on the line we just charged straight and got tackled and held up. It’s not like we can’t play that game, and we need it to to beat the Boks. It’s just we don’t seem to have the Coach that can get that from this team.
One area I thought we would do better at was scrum. Wallabies held their own. Hence why we were given a lesson by Boks. What was a strength is now just a pass mark. Needs work. Williams should start.
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@kev said in All Blacks vs Wallabies Bledisloe I:
What the Wallabies did well was heads up rugby with short passes letting the ball create space - the unstructured stuff we used to do. That’s why they looked more dangerous running. Now every thing we do is a pod, a box kick, a cross field kick. Our players were turning in and running into contact - Va’ai and Tupaea both bombed tries. Attacking on the line we just charged straight and got tackled and held up. It’s not like we can’t play that game, and we need it to to beat the Boks. It’s just we don’t seem to have the Coach that can get that from this team.
One area I thought we would do better at was scrum. Wallabies held their own. Hence why we were given a lesson by Boks. What was a strength is now just a pass mark. Needs work. Williams should start.
Wallabies won 100% of their scrums against the Boks in both of test matches. There was only one scrum penalty in the second test against the Wallabies.
Wallabies scrum is excellent in my view. They pack far more tighter and have good sized locks with a bit more about them
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@upthelanders said in All Blacks vs Wallabies Bledisloe I:
@kev Williams should start?? So you’re saying the problem is Ethan De Groot?! He’s been the only consistent one at Scrum all season!!
De Groot has been folded in numerous times this series and was one of the poorer props in super rugby. Williams is a far better scrummed and better around the park
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@Jet said in All Blacks vs Wallabies Bledisloe I:
Need to take the goal kicking duties off Beaudy long term too.
If Jordie or DMac are NOT on the field, sure, fine, go with Beaudie.
By why the fuck do we leave points out there by insisting on using an inferior goal kicker?
Why?
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@antipodean said in All Blacks vs Wallabies Bledisloe I:
Vaa'i giving away too many ruck penalties.
Yeah. I'm a fanboi, but he reverted a bit tonight
