All Blacks 2025

canefan

@stodders said in All Blacks 2025:

@brodean said in All Blacks 2025:

@nonpartizan

Lakai did alright. He got ragdolled like he was nothing a few times at the breakdown before Skelton went off but that would have happened to any of our other small 8 options in the squad.

I thought he was ok but overall I think his upside is overly optimistic by some. Couldn't honestly say he was better than Lio Willie earlier in the year.

Im unconvinced that any of the 8 options used this year have a higher upside than Sotutu.

The legend of Sotutu grows with every passing week. You’d think he was the next coming of Buck or Zinzan! He’s a good player, but I’m not convinced he’s the answer.

Ardie Savea on the bench as last 30 min super sub. He can cover 6, 7 and 8 (and 12 ). Parker at 6. Lakai at 7. Who is the best option to play 8 to complement those 2? Sititi? Who is waiting in the wings or tearing up the NPC at 8?

We don't know if he is the answer or not because these morons won't bloody pick him!

Chris B.

@brodean I wouldn't necessarily pick the team I've amended above, either - but, that's how I'm seeing the rankings at present.

Landers92

@jamsb said in All Blacks 2025:

Tupou Vaa’i supposedly out for the year with a knee injury

Yup. Torn meniscus

frugby

I felt like this was worthy of a thread of its own in regards to squad selection. This is my guess for the ABs Squad and ABs XV Squad. Hard to know how many there will be in the XV, but I am picking around 30 for them and 36+1 for the ABs, as am expecting Bower to be with them as a 7th prop:

All Blacks
Props:
Ethan de Groot
Tamaiti Williams
Ollie Norris
Fletcher Newell
Pasilio Tosi
Tevita Mafileo
George Bower (Injury Cover)

All Blacks XV
Props:
Xavier Numia
Pouri Rakete-Stones
Josh Fusitua
George Dyer
Josh Bartlett

Not Available: Tyrel Lomax, Ofa Tu'ungafasi & Saula Ma'u (XV)
Notes: Could be a bit of a race to the bottom at prop for the XV if they do pick Bower for the ABs. Bartlett seems to fit the mould of Tosi and Norris as an impactful ball carrier so they may look to get him into the environment.

All Blacks
Hookers:
Codie Taylor
Samisoni Taukei'aho
Brodie McAllister

All Blacks XV
Hookers:
George Bell
Kurt Eklund
Jack Taylor

Not Available: Asafo Aumua
Notes: If Aumua is really out with concussion, that has to be a major concern, but he has not been sighted for a while. Also would not be stunned if Bell and McAllister were the other way around.

All Blacks
Locks:
Scott Barrett (c)
Fabian Holland
Patrick Tuipulotu
Sam Darry

All Blacks XV
Locks:
Josh Lord
Naitoa Ah Kuoi
Josh Beehre

Not Available: Tupou Vaa'i
Notes: I would have Darry over Lord, but it is hard to keep up with who they rank higher out of those two. Deserved call-up for Beehre to the XV. Suspect Lord ends up as cover for the ABs at some point, in which case they will need another one. Walker-Leawere has been in and around it, so he is the most likely. Antonio Shalfoon won't be far off it either.

All Blacks
Loose Forwards:
Simon Parker
Ardie Savea
Peter Lakai
Wallace Sititi
Luke Jacobson
Du'Plessis Kirifi
Samipeni Finau

All Blacks XV
Loose Forwards:
TK Howden
Devan Flanders
Dalton Papalii
Sean Withy
Christian Lio-Willie (c)

Not Available: Corey Kellow & Ethan Blackadder
Notes: Think if Vaa'i was fit, Finau would have been squeezed down into the XV, but in the absence of an outstanding candidate to replace him, he survives for now. Howden to be rewarded for a good year I think, and is a Jamie Joseph favourite, and he should have some influence. Kellow, had he stayed fit I think would have been a bolter to blow past Kirifi into the top squad. Haig was there last year, so if he is seen as a player of the future he may be retained as a continuity pick. Bound to be a few injuries at play here.

All Blacks
Halfbacks:
Cam Roigard
Cortez Ratima
Finlay Christie

All Blacks XV
Halfbacks:
Dylan Pledger
Kyle Preston
Xavier Roe

Not Available: Noah Hotham
Notes: Probably the position with the most intrigue given the emergence of Pledger? I think they resist the urge to rush him as the number three, so the ginger will be retained, but hard to see him playing outside of the Wales test. I would not be surprised if he links up with the ABs top squad after the two XV games. Fakatava deserves to be here on form, and given Joseph is coach, he may sneak in, but otherwise expecting them in the same order they were called up.

All Blacks
First Fives:
Beauden Barrett
Damian McKenzie

All Blacks XV
First Fives:
Josh Jacomb
Rivez Reihana

Not Available: Stephen Perofeta
Notes: Perofeta has been unsighted, so am assuming he is out. Jacomb is the obvious one, and they may only pick one if they decide to release Love down into the XV for one of the two games. Reihana leads the chasing group, though there is daylight.

All Blacks
Midfielders:
Jordie Barrett
Quinn Tupaea
Billy Proctor
Rieko Ioane
Anton Lienert-Brown

All Blacks XV
Midfielders:
Dallas McLeod
Brayden Ennor
David Havili
AJ Lam

Not Available: Timoci Tavatavanawai & Riley Higgins (XV)
Notes: Assuming they pick five in the top squad, it will be those five. Quite funny that we have gone full circle and realised that Rieko is actually a centre, and a very good defensive centre at that. The XV will be continuity picks I think. Ennor a bolter for the top side over ALB, but otherwise McLeod and Havili have been in and around it. Have Lam down as the other centre, though they might go with a bit more of a bolter than that

All Blacks
Outside Backs:
Caleb Clarke
Leicester Fainga'anuku
Leroy Carter
Emoni Narawa
Will Jordan
Ruben Love

All Blacks XV
Outside Backs:
Sevu Reece
Caleb Tangitau
Jacob Ratumaitavuki-Kneepkens
Etene Nanai-Seturo
Fehi Fineanganofo

Not Available: ?
Notes: Hard to see a world where the ABs don't go for those six outsides. If Narawa is out, am picking they will go Tangitau over Reece. Just seems they have made the decision to move on from the latter. The XV have many options, because a lot of them are very similar. Pretty confident in the first three, less sure on the last two.

Chris

I think a couple of other players who maybe considered for the AB XV
Otherwise you pretty much nailed it.

Hooker
Bradley Slater

Prop
Finlay Brewis

Lock
A Shalfoon
Even though you did mention him.

LF
M Wrampling -Alec
A player I hear has some fans in the AB coaching set up.

ACT Crusader

Is Norris fit?

Chris

@ACT-Crusader said in All Blacks & All Blacks XV EOYT Squads 2025:

Is Norris fit?

Touch and go for the tour some back issues.

Canes4life

Higgins is nearly ready to go again so he may get an AB XV spot.

booboo

Generally agree.

Some thoughts, not definitive...

Would Ah Kuoi be a direct replacement for Vaa'i? (For lock/6)

I am back to where I was pre Super season on Kirifi. Too small for tests. Deserved his shot and I have great respect, but we need to developer larger bodies. Maybe decent captain for XV.

Hotham no good? Poo

nostrildamus

Would like to have a closer look at Beehre or Shalfoon

Landers92

2 Rugby championships under Razor and we are no further ahead, no RC in the trophy cabinet and if anything, in my opinion we have regressed. Beating the Wallabies and retaining the Bledisloe will take the heat off the coaching group, but it shouldn’t. The record loss(at home too) isn’t talked about enough.

A silver lining is a couple young guys coming through so far this year in Fabian Holland and Leroy Carter, both look the part and look like they could own the jersey. Tupaea stepping up last night is also a step forward for the midfield(still baffled he was subbed, can only assume it was pre determined which does my head in).

End of year tour is going to be extremely interesting, not just in results but with how the public respond if the inconsistencies continue. All Blacks through thick and thin but shit it feels like a weird time to support them right now, something just seems off. Let’s hope it all clicks soon.

Bring on the EOYT.

canefan

@Landers92 said in All Blacks 2025:

2 Rugby championships under Razor and we are no further ahead, no RC in the trophy cabinet and if anything, in my opinion we have regressed. Beating the Wallabies and retaining the Bledisloe will take the heat off the coaching group, but it shouldn’t. The record loss(at home too) isn’t talked about enough.

A silver lining is a couple young guys coming through so far this year in Fabian Holland and Leroy Carter, both look the part and look like they could own the jersey. Tupaea stepping up last night is also a step forward for the midfield(still baffled he was subbed, can only assumed it was pre determined which does my head in).

End of year tour is going to be extremely interesting, not just in results but with how the public respond if the inconsistencies continue. All Blacks through thick and thin but shit it feels like a weird time to support them right now, something just seems off. Let’s hope it all clicks soon.

Bring on the EOYT.

There have been times in the past where we simply didn't have the players. The Gregan era springs to mind. At the moment we have decent players but I feel like they are being held back by the coaching team

reprobate

@mariner4life said in All Blacks 2025:

For a head coach who is a former loose forward, and a forward coach who appears to highly rated...

How can they not be concerned by the way our loose forwards got absolutely bitched last night? And thats with the best Wallaby loosie half fit coming off the bench?
Wilson made yards at will, and had starch on D. Mcreight was a menace at the breakdown. They were highly visible and highly effective.

And this is a theme over a period of time. Remember what the effectively reserve French #8 did to us?

Waaay too negative there mate: this week was a major improvement from last week when the 4 best loosies on the park were all Aussies. This time it was only the 3 best, because Hooper missed QT really badly for the try.

handa457

I'd Take Nareki for All Blacks XV. for the sale reason that on his day hes world class, could easily were it not for injuries been an all black. and were we to have an injury crisis in the rugby world cup year, he's a stable hand with a high workrate and x factor.

Would love to see Fakatava in the mix but we may not see it. Haig probably competing with Howden, while Will Stodart a Smoky for the tour.

In my mind real concern is hooker, and I think moving on from BM is the right move. Bell for now - but young Jack Taylor could be one to watch.

canefan

@nostrildamus said in All Blacks & All Blacks XV EOYT Squads 2025:

Would like to have a closer look at Beehre or Shalfoon

I like Beehre

SouthernMann

I think one of Lasaqa and Casey will make it. JJ dropped a him around Casey saying it would be a toss up between the likes of him and someone established like Blackadder.

With the midfield. The mix of Lam, MacLeod, Havili and Ennor are guys who have a been investigated and tried without a lot of success.

Cooper Roberts is playing his way into a team like this. Higgins should be there if available. Just looks at the balance between who is ready and who has prospects worth checking out.

mariner4life

@reprobate said in All Blacks 2025:

@mariner4life said in All Blacks 2025:

For a head coach who is a former loose forward, and a forward coach who appears to highly rated...

How can they not be concerned by the way our loose forwards got absolutely bitched last night? And thats with the best Wallaby loosie half fit coming off the bench?
Wilson made yards at will, and had starch on D. Mcreight was a menace at the breakdown. They were highly visible and highly effective.

And this is a theme over a period of time. Remember what the effectively reserve French #8 did to us?

Waaay too negative there mate: this week was a major improvement from last week when the 4 best loosies on the park were all Aussies. This time it was only the 3 best, because Hooper missed QT really badly for the try.

Lol fair.

Lucky we have the best player in the world though aye?
Proving good PR and tiktok moments beats actual output.
Lakai being our stand-up despite being little more than adequate is damning.

mariner4life

What i hate about the last couple of posts is we are happy with our winger based on tackles and pick-and-go tries.
What I wouldn't give to see him in space. You know, like we get to see the Aussie outside backs.
And the African outside backs.
And the Argie outside backs.
And the French outside backs.

The way we played we may as well load up 11, 13 and 14 with extra loose forwards.

frugby

Sititi being out of form definitely doesn't help. What I can't quite understand is why they totally removed Lio-Willie from the squad, when he was very polished in his two test appearances. Feel like those are the two best back to back performances we've seen from an ABs eight this season.

nonpartizan

One of the problems with the loosies that I feel would be relatively easy to remedy is reducing Ardies minutes.

I think part of the reason he doesn't give a good 80 minute performance is because he is burned out from over playing. When you play every minute of every match of course your batteries are low.

He needs to be rotated out of the team sometimes he also needs to be subbed. We need less minutes from him but higher quality minutes.

I can guarantee if he was South African he would not be playing as much for Rassie.

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All Blacks 2025