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@frugby said in All Blacks & All Blacks XV EOYT Squads 2025:
If Tavatavanawai is back, does that spell the end for one of Proctor or ALB?
Doubt it spells the end for Proctor, he's far too young, ALB maybe so. Tavatavanawai isn't a centre so not exactly like for like.
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@frugby said in All Blacks & All Blacks XV EOYT Squads 2025:
If Tavatavanawai is back, does that spell the end for one of Proctor or ALB?
Doubt it spells the end for Proctor, he's far too young, ALB maybe so. Tavatavanawai isn't a centre so not exactly like for like.
@Canes4life Sorry, initial statement was going to be for ALB. With Tupaea playing 13, I think there is every chance ALB or Proctor gets shunted down - particularly if they see Tavatavanawai being able to fill the bench role.
J Barrett & Tupaea backed up by T Tavatavanawai and R Ioane.
If they are looking for a fifth one, they may favour ALB's experience + ability to also play 12.
Tupaea's performance in Perth was comfortably better than anything Proctor has shown this year, and probably somewhat puts to bed the argument that the reason he has been a bit lacklustre due to those inside him.
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@Canes4life Sorry, initial statement was going to be for ALB. With Tupaea playing 13, I think there is every chance ALB or Proctor gets shunted down - particularly if they see Tavatavanawai being able to fill the bench role.
J Barrett & Tupaea backed up by T Tavatavanawai and R Ioane.
If they are looking for a fifth one, they may favour ALB's experience + ability to also play 12.
Tupaea's performance in Perth was comfortably better than anything Proctor has shown this year, and probably somewhat puts to bed the argument that the reason he has been a bit lacklustre due to those inside him.
@frugby said in All Blacks & All Blacks XV EOYT Squads 2025:
@Canes4life Sorry, initial statement was going to be for ALB. With Tupaea playing 13, I think there is every chance ALB or Proctor gets shunted down - particularly if they see Tavatavanawai being able to fill the bench role.
J Barrett & Tupaea backed up by T Tavatavanawai and R Ioane.
If they are looking for a fifth one, they may favour ALB's experience + ability to also play 12.
Tupaea's performance in Perth was comfortably better than anything Proctor has shown this year, and probably somewhat puts to bed the argument that the reason he has been a bit lacklustre due to those inside him.
Tupaea had a great match, don't get me wrong but it also coincided with McKenzie playing 10, which allowed Tupaea to get the ball in his hands more. If the ABs used Proctor the way the Hurricanes have, I'm almost certain he would have a lot more positive effect on this team.
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@Canes4life Sorry, initial statement was going to be for ALB. With Tupaea playing 13, I think there is every chance ALB or Proctor gets shunted down - particularly if they see Tavatavanawai being able to fill the bench role.
J Barrett & Tupaea backed up by T Tavatavanawai and R Ioane.
If they are looking for a fifth one, they may favour ALB's experience + ability to also play 12.
Tupaea's performance in Perth was comfortably better than anything Proctor has shown this year, and probably somewhat puts to bed the argument that the reason he has been a bit lacklustre due to those inside him.
@frugby Robertson suggested Proctor was only being rested for last weekend's match. Hard to see him being dropped from the squad entirely after saying that, even if he's being a bit misleading. It will be interesting on how long that 'rest' lasts, given Tupaea's performance though.
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@frugby said in All Blacks & All Blacks XV EOYT Squads 2025:
@Canes4life Sorry, initial statement was going to be for ALB. With Tupaea playing 13, I think there is every chance ALB or Proctor gets shunted down - particularly if they see Tavatavanawai being able to fill the bench role.
J Barrett & Tupaea backed up by T Tavatavanawai and R Ioane.
If they are looking for a fifth one, they may favour ALB's experience + ability to also play 12.
Tupaea's performance in Perth was comfortably better than anything Proctor has shown this year, and probably somewhat puts to bed the argument that the reason he has been a bit lacklustre due to those inside him.
Tupaea had a great match, don't get me wrong but it also coincided with McKenzie playing 10, which allowed Tupaea to get the ball in his hands more. If the ABs used Proctor the way the Hurricanes have, I'm almost certain he would have a lot more positive effect on this team.
@Canes4life said in All Blacks & All Blacks XV EOYT Squads 2025:
@frugby said in All Blacks & All Blacks XV EOYT Squads 2025:
@Canes4life Sorry, initial statement was going to be for ALB. With Tupaea playing 13, I think there is every chance ALB or Proctor gets shunted down - particularly if they see Tavatavanawai being able to fill the bench role.
J Barrett & Tupaea backed up by T Tavatavanawai and R Ioane.
If they are looking for a fifth one, they may favour ALB's experience + ability to also play 12.
Tupaea's performance in Perth was comfortably better than anything Proctor has shown this year, and probably somewhat puts to bed the argument that the reason he has been a bit lacklustre due to those inside him.
Tupaea had a great match, don't get me wrong but it also coincided with McKenzie playing 10, which allowed Tupaea to get the ball in his hands more. If the ABs used Proctor the way the Hurricanes have, I'm almost certain he would have a lot more positive effect on this team.
Speaking on it from a far more impartial view than you can provide (
) Tupaea just seems to have far more cut and thrust than Proctor. Only one game yes but that's the best performance from a 13 I can remember in ages.I think Proctor will struggle from here on it, perhaps a game against Wales and that might be it on the EOTY.
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@frugby said in All Blacks & All Blacks XV EOYT Squads 2025:
@Canes4life Sorry, initial statement was going to be for ALB. With Tupaea playing 13, I think there is every chance ALB or Proctor gets shunted down - particularly if they see Tavatavanawai being able to fill the bench role.
J Barrett & Tupaea backed up by T Tavatavanawai and R Ioane.
If they are looking for a fifth one, they may favour ALB's experience + ability to also play 12.
Tupaea's performance in Perth was comfortably better than anything Proctor has shown this year, and probably somewhat puts to bed the argument that the reason he has been a bit lacklustre due to those inside him.
Tupaea had a great match, don't get me wrong but it also coincided with McKenzie playing 10, which allowed Tupaea to get the ball in his hands more. If the ABs used Proctor the way the Hurricanes have, I'm almost certain he would have a lot more positive effect on this team.
@Canes4life said in All Blacks & All Blacks XV EOYT Squads 2025:
@frugby said in All Blacks & All Blacks XV EOYT Squads 2025:
@Canes4life Sorry, initial statement was going to be for ALB. With Tupaea playing 13, I think there is every chance ALB or Proctor gets shunted down - particularly if they see Tavatavanawai being able to fill the bench role.
J Barrett & Tupaea backed up by T Tavatavanawai and R Ioane.
If they are looking for a fifth one, they may favour ALB's experience + ability to also play 12.
Tupaea's performance in Perth was comfortably better than anything Proctor has shown this year, and probably somewhat puts to bed the argument that the reason he has been a bit lacklustre due to those inside him.
Tupaea had a great match, don't get me wrong but it also coincided with McKenzie playing 10, which allowed Tupaea to get the ball in his hands more. If the ABs used Proctor the way the Hurricanes have, I'm almost certain he would have a lot more positive effect on this team.
Come on, McKenzie didn't play that well. Tupaea just runs harder lines which sucks the defence - he's also a much better tackler than Proctor.
Proctor had six tests to start the year, and didn't even show a glimpse. I'm not writing him off forever, but the fact Ioane was on the bench in Perth, and came on at centre, would suggest Proctor has been relegated to third choice.
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@Canes4life said in All Blacks & All Blacks XV EOYT Squads 2025:
@frugby said in All Blacks & All Blacks XV EOYT Squads 2025:
@Canes4life Sorry, initial statement was going to be for ALB. With Tupaea playing 13, I think there is every chance ALB or Proctor gets shunted down - particularly if they see Tavatavanawai being able to fill the bench role.
J Barrett & Tupaea backed up by T Tavatavanawai and R Ioane.
If they are looking for a fifth one, they may favour ALB's experience + ability to also play 12.
Tupaea's performance in Perth was comfortably better than anything Proctor has shown this year, and probably somewhat puts to bed the argument that the reason he has been a bit lacklustre due to those inside him.
Tupaea had a great match, don't get me wrong but it also coincided with McKenzie playing 10, which allowed Tupaea to get the ball in his hands more. If the ABs used Proctor the way the Hurricanes have, I'm almost certain he would have a lot more positive effect on this team.
Come on, McKenzie didn't play that well. Tupaea just runs harder lines which sucks the defence - he's also a much better tackler than Proctor.
Proctor had six tests to start the year, and didn't even show a glimpse. I'm not writing him off forever, but the fact Ioane was on the bench in Perth, and came on at centre, would suggest Proctor has been relegated to third choice.
@frugby said in All Blacks & All Blacks XV EOYT Squads 2025:
@Canes4life said in All Blacks & All Blacks XV EOYT Squads 2025:
@frugby said in All Blacks & All Blacks XV EOYT Squads 2025:
@Canes4life Sorry, initial statement was going to be for ALB. With Tupaea playing 13, I think there is every chance ALB or Proctor gets shunted down - particularly if they see Tavatavanawai being able to fill the bench role.
J Barrett & Tupaea backed up by T Tavatavanawai and R Ioane.
If they are looking for a fifth one, they may favour ALB's experience + ability to also play 12.
Tupaea's performance in Perth was comfortably better than anything Proctor has shown this year, and probably somewhat puts to bed the argument that the reason he has been a bit lacklustre due to those inside him.
Tupaea had a great match, don't get me wrong but it also coincided with McKenzie playing 10, which allowed Tupaea to get the ball in his hands more. If the ABs used Proctor the way the Hurricanes have, I'm almost certain he would have a lot more positive effect on this team.
Come on, McKenzie didn't play that well. Tupaea just runs harder lines which sucks the defence - he's also a much better tackler than Proctor.
Proctor had six tests to start the year, and didn't even show a glimpse. I'm not writing him off forever, but the fact Ioane was on the bench in Perth, and came on at centre, would suggest Proctor has been relegated to third choice.
It's not mutually exclusive at all.
McKenzie doesn't stand still and shovel, he holds the first defender.
Tupaea runs hard and straight - he's used to playing 12 in traffic and doesn't need as much space. He'd be better suited to BB because of that, but he (and everyone else) will always get more time and space with McKenzie than Barrett at 10. That's more important for guys like Proctor or Ioane. -
@frugby said in All Blacks & All Blacks XV EOYT Squads 2025:
@Canes4life said in All Blacks & All Blacks XV EOYT Squads 2025:
@frugby said in All Blacks & All Blacks XV EOYT Squads 2025:
@Canes4life Sorry, initial statement was going to be for ALB. With Tupaea playing 13, I think there is every chance ALB or Proctor gets shunted down - particularly if they see Tavatavanawai being able to fill the bench role.
J Barrett & Tupaea backed up by T Tavatavanawai and R Ioane.
If they are looking for a fifth one, they may favour ALB's experience + ability to also play 12.
Tupaea's performance in Perth was comfortably better than anything Proctor has shown this year, and probably somewhat puts to bed the argument that the reason he has been a bit lacklustre due to those inside him.
Tupaea had a great match, don't get me wrong but it also coincided with McKenzie playing 10, which allowed Tupaea to get the ball in his hands more. If the ABs used Proctor the way the Hurricanes have, I'm almost certain he would have a lot more positive effect on this team.
Come on, McKenzie didn't play that well. Tupaea just runs harder lines which sucks the defence - he's also a much better tackler than Proctor.
Proctor had six tests to start the year, and didn't even show a glimpse. I'm not writing him off forever, but the fact Ioane was on the bench in Perth, and came on at centre, would suggest Proctor has been relegated to third choice.
It's not mutually exclusive at all.
McKenzie doesn't stand still and shovel, he holds the first defender.
Tupaea runs hard and straight - he's used to playing 12 in traffic and doesn't need as much space. He'd be better suited to BB because of that, but he (and everyone else) will always get more time and space with McKenzie than Barrett at 10. That's more important for guys like Proctor or Ioane.@reprobate said in All Blacks & All Blacks XV EOYT Squads 2025:
@frugby said in All Blacks & All Blacks XV EOYT Squads 2025:
@Canes4life said in All Blacks & All Blacks XV EOYT Squads 2025:
@frugby said in All Blacks & All Blacks XV EOYT Squads 2025:
@Canes4life Sorry, initial statement was going to be for ALB. With Tupaea playing 13, I think there is every chance ALB or Proctor gets shunted down - particularly if they see Tavatavanawai being able to fill the bench role.
J Barrett & Tupaea backed up by T Tavatavanawai and R Ioane.
If they are looking for a fifth one, they may favour ALB's experience + ability to also play 12.
Tupaea's performance in Perth was comfortably better than anything Proctor has shown this year, and probably somewhat puts to bed the argument that the reason he has been a bit lacklustre due to those inside him.
Tupaea had a great match, don't get me wrong but it also coincided with McKenzie playing 10, which allowed Tupaea to get the ball in his hands more. If the ABs used Proctor the way the Hurricanes have, I'm almost certain he would have a lot more positive effect on this team.
Come on, McKenzie didn't play that well. Tupaea just runs harder lines which sucks the defence - he's also a much better tackler than Proctor.
Proctor had six tests to start the year, and didn't even show a glimpse. I'm not writing him off forever, but the fact Ioane was on the bench in Perth, and came on at centre, would suggest Proctor has been relegated to third choice.
It's not mutually exclusive at all.
McKenzie doesn't stand still and shovel, he holds the first defender.
Tupaea runs hard and straight - he's used to playing 12 in traffic and doesn't need as much space. He'd be better suited to BB because of that, but he (and everyone else) will always get more time and space with McKenzie than Barrett at 10. That's more important for guys like Proctor or Ioane.There is no doubting that Roigard made a big difference to the way the backline functioned.
It is easy to forget, in the first two tests of the year, we played very well, and the backline looked good, including Barrett - but Proctor even then was underwhelming.
If Proctor was some unicorn player in the mould of Suaalii, I could understand the excuses, but he is just a bog-standard distributing centre it seems.
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@Bovidae said in All Blacks & All Blacks XV EOYT Squads 2025:
I think that Tavatavanawai's AB career will be short.
I would imagine so too, but Tupaea shifting to 13 could help his case. Still think he has a lot of offer as a bench option.
@frugby said in All Blacks & All Blacks XV EOYT Squads 2025:
@Bovidae said in All Blacks & All Blacks XV EOYT Squads 2025:
I think that Tavatavanawai's AB career will be short.
I would imagine so too, but Tupaea shifting to 13 could help his case. Still think he has a lot of offer as a bench option.
He is only a realistic option at 12. Too slow for a winger.
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@Canes4life said in All Blacks & All Blacks XV EOYT Squads 2025:
@frugby said in All Blacks & All Blacks XV EOYT Squads 2025:
@Canes4life Sorry, initial statement was going to be for ALB. With Tupaea playing 13, I think there is every chance ALB or Proctor gets shunted down - particularly if they see Tavatavanawai being able to fill the bench role.
J Barrett & Tupaea backed up by T Tavatavanawai and R Ioane.
If they are looking for a fifth one, they may favour ALB's experience + ability to also play 12.
Tupaea's performance in Perth was comfortably better than anything Proctor has shown this year, and probably somewhat puts to bed the argument that the reason he has been a bit lacklustre due to those inside him.
Tupaea had a great match, don't get me wrong but it also coincided with McKenzie playing 10, which allowed Tupaea to get the ball in his hands more. If the ABs used Proctor the way the Hurricanes have, I'm almost certain he would have a lot more positive effect on this team.
Come on, McKenzie didn't play that well. Tupaea just runs harder lines which sucks the defence - he's also a much better tackler than Proctor.
Proctor had six tests to start the year, and didn't even show a glimpse. I'm not writing him off forever, but the fact Ioane was on the bench in Perth, and came on at centre, would suggest Proctor has been relegated to third choice.
@frugby said in All Blacks & All Blacks XV EOYT Squads 2025:
@Canes4life said in All Blacks & All Blacks XV EOYT Squads 2025:
@frugby said in All Blacks & All Blacks XV EOYT Squads 2025:
@Canes4life Sorry, initial statement was going to be for ALB. With Tupaea playing 13, I think there is every chance ALB or Proctor gets shunted down - particularly if they see Tavatavanawai being able to fill the bench role.
J Barrett & Tupaea backed up by T Tavatavanawai and R Ioane.
If they are looking for a fifth one, they may favour ALB's experience + ability to also play 12.
Tupaea's performance in Perth was comfortably better than anything Proctor has shown this year, and probably somewhat puts to bed the argument that the reason he has been a bit lacklustre due to those inside him.
Tupaea had a great match, don't get me wrong but it also coincided with McKenzie playing 10, which allowed Tupaea to get the ball in his hands more. If the ABs used Proctor the way the Hurricanes have, I'm almost certain he would have a lot more positive effect on this team.
Come on, McKenzie didn't play that well. Tupaea just runs harder lines which sucks the defence - he's also a much better tackler than Proctor.
Proctor had six tests to start the year, and didn't even show a glimpse. I'm not writing him off forever, but the fact Ioane was on the bench in Perth, and came on at centre, would suggest Proctor has been relegated to third choice.
I'm not arguing against Tupaea, because he was very good. I just don't think Proctor has fallen as far as you make out. I still think he'd be preferred over Ioane and ALB who have been given more than enough opportunity in the 13 jersey. We need to move on from them.
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Would you rather have Josh Jacomb or Rivez Reihana starting for the All Blacks XV at 10…?
@upthelanders said in All Blacks & All Blacks XV EOYT Squads 2025:
Would you rather have Josh Jacomb or Rivez Reihana starting for the All Blacks XV at 10…?
Prior to the NPC I'd have said the latter, but now I'm preferring Jacob.
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@ARHS said in All Blacks & All Blacks XV EOYT Squads 2025:
I remain surprised Tevita Mafileo rates ahead of George Dyer in AB pecking order.
I could understand taking him to Arg with a smaller squad as Mafileo can play LH, but he doesn't even make the Hurricanes 23 as a TH.
@Bovidae said in All Blacks & All Blacks XV EOYT Squads 2025:
@ARHS said in All Blacks & All Blacks XV EOYT Squads 2025:
I remain surprised Tevita Mafileo rates ahead of George Dyer in AB pecking order.
I could understand taking him to Arg with a smaller squad as Mafileo can play LH, but he doesn't even make the Hurricanes 23 as a TH.
Yes, but then he does have two AB THs ahead of him. Whereas only Numia high level on LH.
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@Bovidae said in All Blacks & All Blacks XV EOYT Squads 2025:
@ARHS said in All Blacks & All Blacks XV EOYT Squads 2025:
I remain surprised Tevita Mafileo rates ahead of George Dyer in AB pecking order.
I could understand taking him to Arg with a smaller squad as Mafileo can play LH, but he doesn't even make the Hurricanes 23 as a TH.
Yes, but then he does have two AB THs ahead of him. Whereas only Numia high level on LH.
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I had a quick look but couldn't see the old 'favourite conspiracy' thread.
Anyway, got 8 x AB card in the kids' weetbix boxes: fucken 3 out of 8 are Richie Mo'unga!@reprobate I really wanted "two Ioanes" for posting here...
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