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@frugby said in All Blacks & All Blacks XV EOYT Squads 2025:
He should probably ask to be transfered to the Highlanders then?
He has. Chiefs are the ones holding it up.
Then maybe he should just go up the road to the Blues!
@nostrildamus said in All Blacks & All Blacks XV EOYT Squads 2025:
@frugby said in All Blacks & All Blacks XV EOYT Squads 2025:
He should probably ask to be transfered to the Highlanders then?
He has. Chiefs are the ones holding it up.
Then maybe he should just go up the road to the Blues!
I assume he means the Chiefs don't want to let him go to anyone
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@nostrildamus said in All Blacks & All Blacks XV EOYT Squads 2025:
@frugby said in All Blacks & All Blacks XV EOYT Squads 2025:
He should probably ask to be transfered to the Highlanders then?
He has. Chiefs are the ones holding it up.
Then maybe he should just go up the road to the Blues!
I assume he means the Chiefs don't want to let him go to anyone
@canefan said in All Blacks & All Blacks XV EOYT Squads 2025:
I assume he means the Chiefs don't want to let him go to anyone
sure but worth a try!
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@frugby said in All Blacks & All Blacks XV EOYT Squads 2025:
He should probably ask to be transfered to the Highlanders then?
He has. Chiefs are the ones holding it up.
Then maybe he should just go up the road to the Blues!
@nostrildamus said in All Blacks & All Blacks XV EOYT Squads 2025:
@frugby said in All Blacks & All Blacks XV EOYT Squads 2025:
He should probably ask to be transfered to the Highlanders then?
He has. Chiefs are the ones holding it up.
Then maybe he should just go up the road to the Blues!
The Blues have Beaudy! No other 10 will be willing to move there until he has retired.
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@nostrildamus said in All Blacks & All Blacks XV EOYT Squads 2025:
@frugby said in All Blacks & All Blacks XV EOYT Squads 2025:
He should probably ask to be transfered to the Highlanders then?
He has. Chiefs are the ones holding it up.
Then maybe he should just go up the road to the Blues!
The Blues have Beaudy! No other 10 will be willing to move there until he has retired.
@LABCAT said in All Blacks & All Blacks XV EOYT Squads 2025:
@nostrildamus said in All Blacks & All Blacks XV EOYT Squads 2025:
@frugby said in All Blacks & All Blacks XV EOYT Squads 2025:
He should probably ask to be transfered to the Highlanders then?
He has. Chiefs are the ones holding it up.
Then maybe he should just go up the road to the Blues!
The Blues have Beaudy! No other 10 will be willing to move there until he has retired.
Perofecta wasn't my idea of the answer. But he either wasn't allowed to leave, or is happy to stay and not have a chance to steer his own cutter
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Arguably there's more value in a 10 playing for AB XV than the ABs given Beauden is fit and they've shown no interest in developing a 3rd 10 - at least you'll get game time as opposed to holding tackle bags.
@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks & All Blacks XV EOYT Squads 2025:
Arguably there's more value in a 10 playing for AB XV than the ABs given Beauden is fit and they've shown no interest in developing a 3rd 10 - at least you'll get game time as opposed to holding tackle bags.
I understand that some of the AB squad will be released to play England A. Seems like the game for Love in play in then.
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How has Harry Godfrey been playing?
@family-man Injured currently.
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@frugby said in All Blacks & All Blacks XV EOYT Squads 2025:
If Tavatavanawai is back, does that spell the end for one of Proctor or ALB?
Doubt it spells the end for Proctor, he's far too young, ALB maybe so. Tavatavanawai isn't a centre so not exactly like for like.
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@frugby said in All Blacks & All Blacks XV EOYT Squads 2025:
If Tavatavanawai is back, does that spell the end for one of Proctor or ALB?
Doubt it spells the end for Proctor, he's far too young, ALB maybe so. Tavatavanawai isn't a centre so not exactly like for like.
@Canes4life Sorry, initial statement was going to be for ALB. With Tupaea playing 13, I think there is every chance ALB or Proctor gets shunted down - particularly if they see Tavatavanawai being able to fill the bench role.
J Barrett & Tupaea backed up by T Tavatavanawai and R Ioane.
If they are looking for a fifth one, they may favour ALB's experience + ability to also play 12.
Tupaea's performance in Perth was comfortably better than anything Proctor has shown this year, and probably somewhat puts to bed the argument that the reason he has been a bit lacklustre due to those inside him.
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@Canes4life Sorry, initial statement was going to be for ALB. With Tupaea playing 13, I think there is every chance ALB or Proctor gets shunted down - particularly if they see Tavatavanawai being able to fill the bench role.
J Barrett & Tupaea backed up by T Tavatavanawai and R Ioane.
If they are looking for a fifth one, they may favour ALB's experience + ability to also play 12.
Tupaea's performance in Perth was comfortably better than anything Proctor has shown this year, and probably somewhat puts to bed the argument that the reason he has been a bit lacklustre due to those inside him.
@frugby said in All Blacks & All Blacks XV EOYT Squads 2025:
@Canes4life Sorry, initial statement was going to be for ALB. With Tupaea playing 13, I think there is every chance ALB or Proctor gets shunted down - particularly if they see Tavatavanawai being able to fill the bench role.
J Barrett & Tupaea backed up by T Tavatavanawai and R Ioane.
If they are looking for a fifth one, they may favour ALB's experience + ability to also play 12.
Tupaea's performance in Perth was comfortably better than anything Proctor has shown this year, and probably somewhat puts to bed the argument that the reason he has been a bit lacklustre due to those inside him.
Tupaea had a great match, don't get me wrong but it also coincided with McKenzie playing 10, which allowed Tupaea to get the ball in his hands more. If the ABs used Proctor the way the Hurricanes have, I'm almost certain he would have a lot more positive effect on this team.
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@Canes4life Sorry, initial statement was going to be for ALB. With Tupaea playing 13, I think there is every chance ALB or Proctor gets shunted down - particularly if they see Tavatavanawai being able to fill the bench role.
J Barrett & Tupaea backed up by T Tavatavanawai and R Ioane.
If they are looking for a fifth one, they may favour ALB's experience + ability to also play 12.
Tupaea's performance in Perth was comfortably better than anything Proctor has shown this year, and probably somewhat puts to bed the argument that the reason he has been a bit lacklustre due to those inside him.
@frugby Robertson suggested Proctor was only being rested for last weekend's match. Hard to see him being dropped from the squad entirely after saying that, even if he's being a bit misleading. It will be interesting on how long that 'rest' lasts, given Tupaea's performance though.
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@frugby said in All Blacks & All Blacks XV EOYT Squads 2025:
@Canes4life Sorry, initial statement was going to be for ALB. With Tupaea playing 13, I think there is every chance ALB or Proctor gets shunted down - particularly if they see Tavatavanawai being able to fill the bench role.
J Barrett & Tupaea backed up by T Tavatavanawai and R Ioane.
If they are looking for a fifth one, they may favour ALB's experience + ability to also play 12.
Tupaea's performance in Perth was comfortably better than anything Proctor has shown this year, and probably somewhat puts to bed the argument that the reason he has been a bit lacklustre due to those inside him.
Tupaea had a great match, don't get me wrong but it also coincided with McKenzie playing 10, which allowed Tupaea to get the ball in his hands more. If the ABs used Proctor the way the Hurricanes have, I'm almost certain he would have a lot more positive effect on this team.
@Canes4life said in All Blacks & All Blacks XV EOYT Squads 2025:
@frugby said in All Blacks & All Blacks XV EOYT Squads 2025:
@Canes4life Sorry, initial statement was going to be for ALB. With Tupaea playing 13, I think there is every chance ALB or Proctor gets shunted down - particularly if they see Tavatavanawai being able to fill the bench role.
J Barrett & Tupaea backed up by T Tavatavanawai and R Ioane.
If they are looking for a fifth one, they may favour ALB's experience + ability to also play 12.
Tupaea's performance in Perth was comfortably better than anything Proctor has shown this year, and probably somewhat puts to bed the argument that the reason he has been a bit lacklustre due to those inside him.
Tupaea had a great match, don't get me wrong but it also coincided with McKenzie playing 10, which allowed Tupaea to get the ball in his hands more. If the ABs used Proctor the way the Hurricanes have, I'm almost certain he would have a lot more positive effect on this team.
Speaking on it from a far more impartial view than you can provide (
) Tupaea just seems to have far more cut and thrust than Proctor. Only one game yes but that's the best performance from a 13 I can remember in ages.I think Proctor will struggle from here on it, perhaps a game against Wales and that might be it on the EOTY.
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@frugby said in All Blacks & All Blacks XV EOYT Squads 2025:
@Canes4life Sorry, initial statement was going to be for ALB. With Tupaea playing 13, I think there is every chance ALB or Proctor gets shunted down - particularly if they see Tavatavanawai being able to fill the bench role.
J Barrett & Tupaea backed up by T Tavatavanawai and R Ioane.
If they are looking for a fifth one, they may favour ALB's experience + ability to also play 12.
Tupaea's performance in Perth was comfortably better than anything Proctor has shown this year, and probably somewhat puts to bed the argument that the reason he has been a bit lacklustre due to those inside him.
Tupaea had a great match, don't get me wrong but it also coincided with McKenzie playing 10, which allowed Tupaea to get the ball in his hands more. If the ABs used Proctor the way the Hurricanes have, I'm almost certain he would have a lot more positive effect on this team.
@Canes4life said in All Blacks & All Blacks XV EOYT Squads 2025:
@frugby said in All Blacks & All Blacks XV EOYT Squads 2025:
@Canes4life Sorry, initial statement was going to be for ALB. With Tupaea playing 13, I think there is every chance ALB or Proctor gets shunted down - particularly if they see Tavatavanawai being able to fill the bench role.
J Barrett & Tupaea backed up by T Tavatavanawai and R Ioane.
If they are looking for a fifth one, they may favour ALB's experience + ability to also play 12.
Tupaea's performance in Perth was comfortably better than anything Proctor has shown this year, and probably somewhat puts to bed the argument that the reason he has been a bit lacklustre due to those inside him.
Tupaea had a great match, don't get me wrong but it also coincided with McKenzie playing 10, which allowed Tupaea to get the ball in his hands more. If the ABs used Proctor the way the Hurricanes have, I'm almost certain he would have a lot more positive effect on this team.
Come on, McKenzie didn't play that well. Tupaea just runs harder lines which sucks the defence - he's also a much better tackler than Proctor.
Proctor had six tests to start the year, and didn't even show a glimpse. I'm not writing him off forever, but the fact Ioane was on the bench in Perth, and came on at centre, would suggest Proctor has been relegated to third choice.
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@Canes4life said in All Blacks & All Blacks XV EOYT Squads 2025:
@frugby said in All Blacks & All Blacks XV EOYT Squads 2025:
@Canes4life Sorry, initial statement was going to be for ALB. With Tupaea playing 13, I think there is every chance ALB or Proctor gets shunted down - particularly if they see Tavatavanawai being able to fill the bench role.
J Barrett & Tupaea backed up by T Tavatavanawai and R Ioane.
If they are looking for a fifth one, they may favour ALB's experience + ability to also play 12.
Tupaea's performance in Perth was comfortably better than anything Proctor has shown this year, and probably somewhat puts to bed the argument that the reason he has been a bit lacklustre due to those inside him.
Tupaea had a great match, don't get me wrong but it also coincided with McKenzie playing 10, which allowed Tupaea to get the ball in his hands more. If the ABs used Proctor the way the Hurricanes have, I'm almost certain he would have a lot more positive effect on this team.
Come on, McKenzie didn't play that well. Tupaea just runs harder lines which sucks the defence - he's also a much better tackler than Proctor.
Proctor had six tests to start the year, and didn't even show a glimpse. I'm not writing him off forever, but the fact Ioane was on the bench in Perth, and came on at centre, would suggest Proctor has been relegated to third choice.
@frugby said in All Blacks & All Blacks XV EOYT Squads 2025:
@Canes4life said in All Blacks & All Blacks XV EOYT Squads 2025:
@frugby said in All Blacks & All Blacks XV EOYT Squads 2025:
@Canes4life Sorry, initial statement was going to be for ALB. With Tupaea playing 13, I think there is every chance ALB or Proctor gets shunted down - particularly if they see Tavatavanawai being able to fill the bench role.
J Barrett & Tupaea backed up by T Tavatavanawai and R Ioane.
If they are looking for a fifth one, they may favour ALB's experience + ability to also play 12.
Tupaea's performance in Perth was comfortably better than anything Proctor has shown this year, and probably somewhat puts to bed the argument that the reason he has been a bit lacklustre due to those inside him.
Tupaea had a great match, don't get me wrong but it also coincided with McKenzie playing 10, which allowed Tupaea to get the ball in his hands more. If the ABs used Proctor the way the Hurricanes have, I'm almost certain he would have a lot more positive effect on this team.
Come on, McKenzie didn't play that well. Tupaea just runs harder lines which sucks the defence - he's also a much better tackler than Proctor.
Proctor had six tests to start the year, and didn't even show a glimpse. I'm not writing him off forever, but the fact Ioane was on the bench in Perth, and came on at centre, would suggest Proctor has been relegated to third choice.
It's not mutually exclusive at all.
McKenzie doesn't stand still and shovel, he holds the first defender.
Tupaea runs hard and straight - he's used to playing 12 in traffic and doesn't need as much space. He'd be better suited to BB because of that, but he (and everyone else) will always get more time and space with McKenzie than Barrett at 10. That's more important for guys like Proctor or Ioane. -
@frugby said in All Blacks & All Blacks XV EOYT Squads 2025:
@Canes4life said in All Blacks & All Blacks XV EOYT Squads 2025:
@frugby said in All Blacks & All Blacks XV EOYT Squads 2025:
@Canes4life Sorry, initial statement was going to be for ALB. With Tupaea playing 13, I think there is every chance ALB or Proctor gets shunted down - particularly if they see Tavatavanawai being able to fill the bench role.
J Barrett & Tupaea backed up by T Tavatavanawai and R Ioane.
If they are looking for a fifth one, they may favour ALB's experience + ability to also play 12.
Tupaea's performance in Perth was comfortably better than anything Proctor has shown this year, and probably somewhat puts to bed the argument that the reason he has been a bit lacklustre due to those inside him.
Tupaea had a great match, don't get me wrong but it also coincided with McKenzie playing 10, which allowed Tupaea to get the ball in his hands more. If the ABs used Proctor the way the Hurricanes have, I'm almost certain he would have a lot more positive effect on this team.
Come on, McKenzie didn't play that well. Tupaea just runs harder lines which sucks the defence - he's also a much better tackler than Proctor.
Proctor had six tests to start the year, and didn't even show a glimpse. I'm not writing him off forever, but the fact Ioane was on the bench in Perth, and came on at centre, would suggest Proctor has been relegated to third choice.
It's not mutually exclusive at all.
McKenzie doesn't stand still and shovel, he holds the first defender.
Tupaea runs hard and straight - he's used to playing 12 in traffic and doesn't need as much space. He'd be better suited to BB because of that, but he (and everyone else) will always get more time and space with McKenzie than Barrett at 10. That's more important for guys like Proctor or Ioane.@reprobate said in All Blacks & All Blacks XV EOYT Squads 2025:
@frugby said in All Blacks & All Blacks XV EOYT Squads 2025:
@Canes4life said in All Blacks & All Blacks XV EOYT Squads 2025:
@frugby said in All Blacks & All Blacks XV EOYT Squads 2025:
@Canes4life Sorry, initial statement was going to be for ALB. With Tupaea playing 13, I think there is every chance ALB or Proctor gets shunted down - particularly if they see Tavatavanawai being able to fill the bench role.
J Barrett & Tupaea backed up by T Tavatavanawai and R Ioane.
If they are looking for a fifth one, they may favour ALB's experience + ability to also play 12.
Tupaea's performance in Perth was comfortably better than anything Proctor has shown this year, and probably somewhat puts to bed the argument that the reason he has been a bit lacklustre due to those inside him.
Tupaea had a great match, don't get me wrong but it also coincided with McKenzie playing 10, which allowed Tupaea to get the ball in his hands more. If the ABs used Proctor the way the Hurricanes have, I'm almost certain he would have a lot more positive effect on this team.
Come on, McKenzie didn't play that well. Tupaea just runs harder lines which sucks the defence - he's also a much better tackler than Proctor.
Proctor had six tests to start the year, and didn't even show a glimpse. I'm not writing him off forever, but the fact Ioane was on the bench in Perth, and came on at centre, would suggest Proctor has been relegated to third choice.
It's not mutually exclusive at all.
McKenzie doesn't stand still and shovel, he holds the first defender.
Tupaea runs hard and straight - he's used to playing 12 in traffic and doesn't need as much space. He'd be better suited to BB because of that, but he (and everyone else) will always get more time and space with McKenzie than Barrett at 10. That's more important for guys like Proctor or Ioane.There is no doubting that Roigard made a big difference to the way the backline functioned.
It is easy to forget, in the first two tests of the year, we played very well, and the backline looked good, including Barrett - but Proctor even then was underwhelming.
If Proctor was some unicorn player in the mould of Suaalii, I could understand the excuses, but he is just a bog-standard distributing centre it seems.
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@Bovidae said in All Blacks & All Blacks XV EOYT Squads 2025:
I think that Tavatavanawai's AB career will be short.
I would imagine so too, but Tupaea shifting to 13 could help his case. Still think he has a lot of offer as a bench option.
@frugby said in All Blacks & All Blacks XV EOYT Squads 2025:
@Bovidae said in All Blacks & All Blacks XV EOYT Squads 2025:
I think that Tavatavanawai's AB career will be short.
I would imagine so too, but Tupaea shifting to 13 could help his case. Still think he has a lot of offer as a bench option.
He is only a realistic option at 12. Too slow for a winger.
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@Canes4life said in All Blacks & All Blacks XV EOYT Squads 2025:
@frugby said in All Blacks & All Blacks XV EOYT Squads 2025:
@Canes4life Sorry, initial statement was going to be for ALB. With Tupaea playing 13, I think there is every chance ALB or Proctor gets shunted down - particularly if they see Tavatavanawai being able to fill the bench role.
J Barrett & Tupaea backed up by T Tavatavanawai and R Ioane.
If they are looking for a fifth one, they may favour ALB's experience + ability to also play 12.
Tupaea's performance in Perth was comfortably better than anything Proctor has shown this year, and probably somewhat puts to bed the argument that the reason he has been a bit lacklustre due to those inside him.
Tupaea had a great match, don't get me wrong but it also coincided with McKenzie playing 10, which allowed Tupaea to get the ball in his hands more. If the ABs used Proctor the way the Hurricanes have, I'm almost certain he would have a lot more positive effect on this team.
Come on, McKenzie didn't play that well. Tupaea just runs harder lines which sucks the defence - he's also a much better tackler than Proctor.
Proctor had six tests to start the year, and didn't even show a glimpse. I'm not writing him off forever, but the fact Ioane was on the bench in Perth, and came on at centre, would suggest Proctor has been relegated to third choice.
@frugby said in All Blacks & All Blacks XV EOYT Squads 2025:
@Canes4life said in All Blacks & All Blacks XV EOYT Squads 2025:
@frugby said in All Blacks & All Blacks XV EOYT Squads 2025:
@Canes4life Sorry, initial statement was going to be for ALB. With Tupaea playing 13, I think there is every chance ALB or Proctor gets shunted down - particularly if they see Tavatavanawai being able to fill the bench role.
J Barrett & Tupaea backed up by T Tavatavanawai and R Ioane.
If they are looking for a fifth one, they may favour ALB's experience + ability to also play 12.
Tupaea's performance in Perth was comfortably better than anything Proctor has shown this year, and probably somewhat puts to bed the argument that the reason he has been a bit lacklustre due to those inside him.
Tupaea had a great match, don't get me wrong but it also coincided with McKenzie playing 10, which allowed Tupaea to get the ball in his hands more. If the ABs used Proctor the way the Hurricanes have, I'm almost certain he would have a lot more positive effect on this team.
Come on, McKenzie didn't play that well. Tupaea just runs harder lines which sucks the defence - he's also a much better tackler than Proctor.
Proctor had six tests to start the year, and didn't even show a glimpse. I'm not writing him off forever, but the fact Ioane was on the bench in Perth, and came on at centre, would suggest Proctor has been relegated to third choice.
I'm not arguing against Tupaea, because he was very good. I just don't think Proctor has fallen as far as you make out. I still think he'd be preferred over Ioane and ALB who have been given more than enough opportunity in the 13 jersey. We need to move on from them.
