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All Blacks 2025

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  • ChrisC Chris

    @Landers92 said in All Blacks 2025:

    Oil update.

    Jason Holland to step down after the end of year tour I’m hearing.

    Reliable source, as always will wear it if wrong but have no reason to believe it isn’t accurate. Very interesting development. Can expect a possible announcement over the next day or week.

    It would be a good move for the ABs if it is true which coming from you great chance it is spot on.,

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    @Chris said in All Blacks 2025:

    @Landers92 said in All Blacks 2025:

    Oil update.

    Jason Holland to step down after the end of year tour I’m hearing.

    Reliable source, as always will wear it if wrong but have no reason to believe it isn’t accurate. Very interesting development. Can expect a possible announcement over the next day or week.

    It would be a good move for the ABs if it is true which coming from you great chance it is spot on.,

    It would be the second ‘backs’ or ‘attack’ coach in as many years to walk out the door… I find it a little concerning.

    He was also the only non Crusader coach in the group.

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      Confirmed.

      Coaching turnover feels quite high.

      https://www.nzherald.co.nz/sport/rugby/all-blacks/all-blacks-assistant-coach-jason-holland-departs-management-team-parts-ways-with-scott-robertson/TT5BOV7CSBAJFCH4DVZNPKUMSE/

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        Anyone who spins this as a negative is a moron. Holland was never qualified for the job in the first place.

        Can’t remember too many glorious ‘strike’ plays under his watch…

        What I would like to see is a new attack coach, with Hansen shifting back to defence (which he previously held for the Crusaders?) and a slimming of Ellison’s role.

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          Who are the attack masterminds out there? We ain't getting Tony Brown this side of the RWC

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            It is Holland's decision to move on.

            “It’s been a huge privilege to coach the All Blacks and represent New Zealand alongside some great people, both players and management.

            “Obviously I’ve been taking the time to reflect on what I want to do with my contract coming up for renewal. Ultimately, this is about what gets me excited about being a coach. I was happy to take a two-year contract and the time feels right for me to step away from this role and look ahead.

            “We’re a close group so this wasn’t an easy decision. I’ve obviously coached with them all in various ways for a long period of time and we think the team are making shifts in the right direction. There are four Tests left, and I’m absolutely focused on helping this team to win in the northern hemisphere.”

            As @frugby says, the biggest under-achievers are Hansen and Ellison.

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            • frugbyF frugby

              Anyone who spins this as a negative is a moron. Holland was never qualified for the job in the first place.

              Can’t remember too many glorious ‘strike’ plays under his watch…

              What I would like to see is a new attack coach, with Hansen shifting back to defence (which he previously held for the Crusaders?) and a slimming of Ellison’s role.

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              @frugby said in All Blacks 2025:

              Anyone who spins this as a negative is a moron. Holland was never qualified for the job in the first place.

              Can’t remember too many glorious ‘strike’ plays under his watch…

              What I would like to see is a new attack coach, with Hansen shifting back to defence (which he previously held for the Crusaders?) and a slimming of Ellison’s role.

              Hansen was responsible for the Crusaders attack strategy and game planning.

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                Good news and good riddance, high time Scott Hansen and Tamati Ellison moved on as well.

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                  Is it time to bring Nick Evans back home 🤔

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                    Dave Rennie would be my choice for new backs coach.

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                      This is the right move, whether Holland jumped or was pushed. I expect we'll see more changes to the coaching staff in the coming months unless things improve drastically, especially with the defence, in the upcoming tests.

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                      • sparkyS sparky

                        Good news and good riddance, high time Scott Hansen and Tamati Ellison moved on as well.

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                        @sparky said in All Blacks 2025:

                        Good news and good riddance, high time Scott Hansen and Tamati Ellison moved on as well.

                        Don't forget Robertson, and Ryan.

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                          So I wonder if all the assistants were on shorter contracts than Razor.

                          I mean while tying Razor in for 4 but his assistants for only 2 would seem a good play, especially when we look back at Fozzies time and what played out then, shows some 'learnings'

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                            So I wonder if all the assistants were on shorter contracts than Razor.

                            I mean while tying Razor in for 4 but his assistants for only 2 would seem a good play, especially when we look back at Fozzies time and what played out then, shows some 'learnings'

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                            @taniwharugby said in All Blacks 2025:

                            So I wonder if all the assistants were kn shorter contracts than Razor.

                            yes it was surprising to hear Holland was on a 2 year contract.

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                            • ChrisC Chris

                              @frugby said in All Blacks 2025:

                              Anyone who spins this as a negative is a moron. Holland was never qualified for the job in the first place.

                              Can’t remember too many glorious ‘strike’ plays under his watch…

                              What I would like to see is a new attack coach, with Hansen shifting back to defence (which he previously held for the Crusaders?) and a slimming of Ellison’s role.

                              Hansen was responsible for the Crusaders attack strategy and game planning.

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                              @Chris My apologies. Hansen does at least have some credentials though.

                              Ellison on the other hand has failed upwards.

                              If it does come to it, Jamie Joseph’s massive advantage in 2028 would be his coaching group would like be highly qualified with an array of background.

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                                NZRU is considering signing TSF moderator to fill end of year vacancy

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                                • frugbyF frugby

                                  @Chris My apologies. Hansen does at least have some credentials though.

                                  Ellison on the other hand has failed upwards.

                                  If it does come to it, Jamie Joseph’s massive advantage in 2028 would be his coaching group would like be highly qualified with an array of background.

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                                  • frugbyF frugby

                                    @Chris My apologies. Hansen does at least have some credentials though.

                                    Ellison on the other hand has failed upwards.

                                    If it does come to it, Jamie Joseph’s massive advantage in 2028 would be his coaching group would like be highly qualified with an array of background.

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                                    @frugby said in All Blacks 2025:

                                    @Chris My apologies. Hansen does at least have some credentials though.

                                    Ellison on the other hand has failed upwards.

                                    > If it does come to it, Jamie Joseph’s massive advantage in 2028 would be his coaching group would like be highly qualified with an array of background.

                                    Joseph's big challenge is getting the Highlanders humming. If he wants to be the AB coach he needs to coach a winning team. Two things need to happen for him to be a viable option at that point. Razor needs to fail to a point where NZR and the board has no choice but to open his position and Joseph needs to turn around a franchise that has battled for years to one that is winning and a dominant force. If he can't do that. He isn't an option.

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                                    • sparkyS sparky

                                      Dave Rennie would be my choice for new backs coach.

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                                      @sparky said in All Blacks 2025:

                                      Dave Rennie would be my choice for new backs coach.

                                      As a coach with international experience he fulfils that part of the brief

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                                      • ACT CrusaderA ACT Crusader

                                        NZRU is considering signing TSF moderator to fill end of year vacancy

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                                        @ACT-Crusader said in All Blacks 2025:

                                        NZRU is considering signing TSF moderator to fill end of year vacancy

                                        They could do a hell of a lot worse!

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