Boxing Thread
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Suss stoppage was my initial reaction, but supporting joe there could be emotion in that ,
Need time to reevaluate
@kiwiinmelb said in Boxing Thread:
Suss stoppage was my initial reaction, but supporting joe there could be emotion in that ,
Need time to reevaluate
From online nonNZ comments you are not alone.
But what a shame. Joe in good condition with a good trainer.
I think it is now too late for him to come back. He has other options and not too injured, apparently. So pretty lucky considering the big men he has faced. -
It’s funny , I’m not saying I support the argument but American boxing fans claim non British fighters get waved off. Very quickly when fighting in Britain and British fighters get all the time in the world to recover . Dunno but it’s a theory they believe.
The reality is , neither fighter gets near usyk anyway ,
But regardless of this result in a styles makes fights sense, I think Wardley will be easier pickings for usyk to dismantle
Bad luck Joe , nature of heavyweight boxing , still a warrior, what a chin that man has got .
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It’s funny , I’m not saying I support the argument but American boxing fans claim non British fighters get waved off. Very quickly when fighting in Britain and British fighters get all the time in the world to recover . Dunno but it’s a theory they believe.
The reality is , neither fighter gets near usyk anyway ,
But regardless of this result in a styles makes fights sense, I think Wardley will be easier pickings for usyk to dismantle
Bad luck Joe , nature of heavyweight boxing , still a warrior, what a chin that man has got .
@kiwiinmelb said in Boxing Thread:
It’s funny , I’m not saying I support the argument but American boxing fans claim non British fighters get waved off. Very quickly when fighting in Britain and British fighters get all the time in the world to recover . Dunno but it’s a theory they believe.
The reality is , neither fighter gets near usyk anyway ,
But regardless of this result in a styles makes fights sense, I think Wardley will be easier pickings for usyk to dismantle
Bad luck Joe , nature of heavyweight boxing , still a warrior, what a chin that man has got .
You're right in regards to both having no chance against Usyk and yes, Wardley gets picked apart easier, but he also has more of a chance of landing something on Usyk than Parker or anyone else for that matter.
A real changing of the guard this result I feel. We're starting to see the new generation of HWs coming through now, with the last generation on their way out.
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Nothing wrong in that stoppage for me
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Nothing wrong in that stoppage for me
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Nothing wrong in that stoppage for me
@MiketheSnow said in Boxing Thread:
Nothing wrong in that stoppage for me
Probably fair.
This loss is even more galling cos Wardley is so likeable. Might be easier if he was more of an arsehole.
Congrats to him. Huge. Will watch his career with great interest now.
I haven't seen the fight and to be honest probably won't watch a replay. Where did it go wrong ? did he underestimate Wardley ? Did he bulk up TOO much ? Has father time caught up and made those combos just a tad slower ?
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@MiketheSnow said in Boxing Thread:
Nothing wrong in that stoppage for me
Probably fair.
This loss is even more galling cos Wardley is so likeable. Might be easier if he was more of an arsehole.
Congrats to him. Huge. Will watch his career with great interest now.
I haven't seen the fight and to be honest probably won't watch a replay. Where did it go wrong ? did he underestimate Wardley ? Did he bulk up TOO much ? Has father time caught up and made those combos just a tad slower ?
@MN5 said in Boxing Thread:
@MiketheSnow said in Boxing Thread:
Nothing wrong in that stoppage for me
Probably fair.
This loss is even more galling cos Wardley is so likeable. Might be easier if he was more of an arsehole.
Congrats to him. Huge. Will watch his career with great interest now.
I haven't seen the fight and to be honest probably won't watch a replay. Where did it go wrong ? did he underestimate Wardley ? Did he bulk up TOO much ? Has father time caught up and made those combos just a tad slower ?
Most of what you asked is true
Underestimated Wardley...after Huni I think he believed he would easily outbox him
Did he over bulk ... believe so -Wardley is cardio strong, throws a lot of punches rd1 to 12 and it was Parker that slowed. Being bulky meant he intended on getting the KO himself,
Father time...not really - Parker bulked believing he could impose his strength and power but like Huni Parker doesn't have the punch power to scare Wardley who is actually defensively better than he looks - he took the sting out of Parkers punches with his shoulder roll and leaning.
Tactics and body shape cost Parker in the end but he still could have taken it if he held or took a knee to give himself a break - easy to say from here.
Warren wanted this to happen - he has been a poor choice for a promoter for Parker all along, seeing Wardley as a UK cash cow for him. -
@MN5 said in Boxing Thread:
@MiketheSnow said in Boxing Thread:
Nothing wrong in that stoppage for me
Probably fair.
This loss is even more galling cos Wardley is so likeable. Might be easier if he was more of an arsehole.
Congrats to him. Huge. Will watch his career with great interest now.
I haven't seen the fight and to be honest probably won't watch a replay. Where did it go wrong ? did he underestimate Wardley ? Did he bulk up TOO much ? Has father time caught up and made those combos just a tad slower ?
Most of what you asked is true
Underestimated Wardley...after Huni I think he believed he would easily outbox him
Did he over bulk ... believe so -Wardley is cardio strong, throws a lot of punches rd1 to 12 and it was Parker that slowed. Being bulky meant he intended on getting the KO himself,
Father time...not really - Parker bulked believing he could impose his strength and power but like Huni Parker doesn't have the punch power to scare Wardley who is actually defensively better than he looks - he took the sting out of Parkers punches with his shoulder roll and leaning.
Tactics and body shape cost Parker in the end but he still could have taken it if he held or took a knee to give himself a break - easy to say from here.
Warren wanted this to happen - he has been a poor choice for a promoter for Parker all along, seeing Wardley as a UK cash cow for him.@kidcalder said in Boxing Thread:
@MN5 said in Boxing Thread:
@MiketheSnow said in Boxing Thread:
Nothing wrong in that stoppage for me
Probably fair.
This loss is even more galling cos Wardley is so likeable. Might be easier if he was more of an arsehole.
Congrats to him. Huge. Will watch his career with great interest now.
I haven't seen the fight and to be honest probably won't watch a replay. Where did it go wrong ? did he underestimate Wardley ? Did he bulk up TOO much ? Has father time caught up and made those combos just a tad slower ?
Most of what you asked is true
Underestimated Wardley...after Huni I think he believed he would easily outbox him
Did he over bulk ... believe so -Wardley is cardio strong, throws a lot of punches rd1 to 12 and it was Parker that slowed. Being bulky meant he intended on getting the KO himself,
Father time...not really - Parker bulked believing he could impose his strength and power but like Huni Parker doesn't have the punch power to scare Wardley who is actually defensively better than he looks - he took the sting out of Parkers punches with his shoulder roll and leaning.
Tactics and body shape cost Parker in the end but he still could have taken it if he held or took a knee to give himself a break - easy to say from here.
Warren wanted this to happen - he has been a poor choice for a promoter for Parker all along, seeing Wardley as a UK cash cow for him.Wardley, Dubois and Itauma to take over the new generation of British heavies. Difference between this bunch and the previous bunch is that these guys actually seem willing to jump in with anyone.
Hopefully the 2010's era of fighting unnecessary fringe journeymen instead of each other is a thing of the past.
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I’ve softened on the stoppage, initially I thought it was early if we compare to other examples like fury getting punched from pillar to post by Usyk with his eyes rolling around the back of his head . But this ref is well known to call them early so at least he is consistent, and I think with joe throwing nothing back wasn’t a great look , that’s boxing.
I think with joe , it’s probably harsh to start picking faults when all the evidence before this fight points towards massive improvements, and he was winning the fight and got caught with a good shot . Thats the tough uncertain nature of the sport and that uncertainty is a big part of what makes it so appealing end of the day .
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@MN5 said in Boxing Thread:
@MiketheSnow said in Boxing Thread:
Nothing wrong in that stoppage for me
Probably fair.
This loss is even more galling cos Wardley is so likeable. Might be easier if he was more of an arsehole.
Congrats to him. Huge. Will watch his career with great interest now.
I haven't seen the fight and to be honest probably won't watch a replay. Where did it go wrong ? did he underestimate Wardley ? Did he bulk up TOO much ? Has father time caught up and made those combos just a tad slower ?
Most of what you asked is true
Underestimated Wardley...after Huni I think he believed he would easily outbox him
Did he over bulk ... believe so -Wardley is cardio strong, throws a lot of punches rd1 to 12 and it was Parker that slowed. Being bulky meant he intended on getting the KO himself,
Father time...not really - Parker bulked believing he could impose his strength and power but like Huni Parker doesn't have the punch power to scare Wardley who is actually defensively better than he looks - he took the sting out of Parkers punches with his shoulder roll and leaning.
Tactics and body shape cost Parker in the end but he still could have taken it if he held or took a knee to give himself a break - easy to say from here.
Warren wanted this to happen - he has been a poor choice for a promoter for Parker all along, seeing Wardley as a UK cash cow for him.@kidcalder said in Boxing Thread:
@MN5 said in Boxing Thread:
@MiketheSnow said in Boxing Thread:
Nothing wrong in that stoppage for me
Probably fair.
This loss is even more galling cos Wardley is so likeable. Might be easier if he was more of an arsehole.
Congrats to him. Huge. Will watch his career with great interest now.
I haven't seen the fight and to be honest probably won't watch a replay. Where did it go wrong ? did he underestimate Wardley ? Did he bulk up TOO much ? Has father time caught up and made those combos just a tad slower ?
I could be wrong as only saw highlights but it looked like Wardley buckled as soon as the ref stopped it he didn't just fall to the canvas, his legs collapsed! Parker just didn't keep him out enough, and frankly doesn't seem to have the explosive punching power to get out of those tight situations...
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Parker won the early rounds, but Wardley's got good defence and stamina. Maybe Parker should have been more aggressive in the middle rounds. Wardley threw a good combination late in round 10 which swung the fight in his favour. A different referee might have let things go on another ten seconds in round 11, but Parker was taking a lot of punches and not throwing anything when the ref stepped in.
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My view on it is a bit more simplistic,
Joe isn’t the best heavyweight in the world and never will be, but is in the company of the best heavyweights in the world. That in itself is still an achievement. And probably went into this fight a tad overrated due to his wins of a washed up wilder, and the dangerous but limited fighters in zhang and bakole .
These types of fights for him are always going to be hard fought battles, his skills and power don’t quite get him to that point where he completely dominates but he is a warrior, he could fight wardley multiple times and win some and lose some, just like when 2 closely matched rugby teams play .
He is probably fighting at the limit of his ceiling right now, this is as good as it gets .
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My view on it is a bit more simplistic,
Joe isn’t the best heavyweight in the world and never will be, but is in the company of the best heavyweights in the world. That in itself is still an achievement. And probably went into this fight a tad overrated due to his wins of a washed up wilder, and the dangerous but limited fighters in zhang and bakole .
These types of fights for him are always going to be hard fought battles, his skills and power don’t quite get him to that point where he completely dominates but he is a warrior, he could fight wardley multiple times and win some and lose some, just like when 2 closely matched rugby teams play .
He is probably fighting at the limit of his ceiling right now, this is as good as it gets .
@kiwiinmelb said in Boxing Thread:
My view on it is a bit more simplistic,
Joe isn’t the best heavyweight in the world and never will be, but is in the company of the best heavyweights in the world. That in itself is still an achievement. And probably went into this fight a tad overrated due to his wins of a washed up wilder, and the dangerous but limited fighters in zhang and bakole .
These types of fights for him are always going to be hard fought battles, his skills and power don’t quite get him to that point where he completely dominates but he is a warrior, he could fight wardley multiple times and win some and lose some, just like when 2 closely matched rugby teams play .
He is probably fighting at the limit of his ceiling right now, this is as good as it gets .
Totally agree.
