All Blacks 2025
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@ShaquilleOatmeal That's not really what I'm arguing about though - I'm arguing that prior international experience isn't the be-all and end-all and pointing out a host of guys with loads of prior international experience who haven't been able arrest slides or are doing no better than Razor.
And there's no shortage of people prepared to say that things would be better under Joe or Jamie, but their records don't get the same scrutiny at Razor's (or Fozzie's).
It's also fairly invalid to compare Hansen's and Henry's records to the current coaches, because there's simply no doubt that most international teams have got significantly better. You don't get a free pass to experiment vs Japan, Fiji, Italy. You blink and they'll tip you over.
e,g, Eddie - who I thought was a busted flush after his latest RWC exploits - gave Joe a very uncomfortable 10 minutes at the end at the weekend. We would not have been happy if that had been an AB B team.
But, yes - there's no doubt we'ré not travelling quite how anyone should be happy with. I've said this on a number of occasions - but, if we can bank 3/4 on the EOYT I think NZR will be quietly happy with the season. I'm hopeful we'll do better than that, but concerned about the injuries in the tight five. We can't afford any more.
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Robertson was the right pick. He has not been as successful as we would have wanted, but sacking him off now would be silly. I think a new attack coach would help, but unless things really go pear-shaped between now and the end of the Springboks Tour, he should steer us through to the World Cup.
With international rugby now more competitive than ever, I think you have to be willing to have more give and take.
It has crossed my mind, that given Razor's strength was building and building and building, peaking at the end of a campaign, that the Springbok Tour and World Cup may be more up his alley than the challenges he has faced so far.
If I had to put money either way, I'd still be betting on us winning the next World Cup.
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Defence coach might be a better investment
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@MiketheSnow That's Scott Hansen at the moment.
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@sparky said in All Blacks 2025:
@MiketheSnow That's Scott Hansen at the moment.
No that is Tamati Ellison he is defence coach.
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@MN5 said in All Blacks 2025:
@brodean said in All Blacks 2025:
Personally I think once you hit 60+ I think most coaches are past their best. Guys like Gatland and Jones are well past their best.
Coaches who played in the pro era with bigger players are probably more prone to CTE etc too. So it may be younger from this time on when coaches reach their best.
The only other viable options were probably Schmidt and Joseph as head coach. Schmidt seemed to rule himself didn't he?
So it was just Joseph. He's a valid option but at the time Robertson was selected there wasn't really a lot of resistance. In hindsight maybe Robertson wasn't the best pick and he kind of bottled it with his jobs for the boys picks.
That said I do think Robertson would have benefited with someone like Cotter in his team and I do think he would make a better forwards coach and selector than Ryan whos a good tight five coach but an abject failure as a loose forward coach.
Is Eddie keen to have a hoon at coaching the ABs ?
Mitch?
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@sparky said in All Blacks 2025:
@Chris Scott Hansen is in charge of defence......
Tamati Ellison's role is the contact area in defence.
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@antipodean Ellison answers to Scott Hansen.
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@sparky said in All Blacks 2025:
@antipodean Ellison answers to Scott Hansen.
I think you're missing my point. How is that delineation not confusing to players?
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@Chris said in All Blacks 2025:
@sparky said in All Blacks 2025:
@Chris Scott Hansen is in charge of defence......
Tamati Ellison's role is the contact area in defence.
Nah Scott Hansen is no longer defence coach Ellison stepped up to take it over completely .
And hasn't he done a sterling job!
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@antipodean said in All Blacks 2025:
@Chris said in All Blacks 2025:
@sparky said in All Blacks 2025:
@Chris Scott Hansen is in charge of defence......
Tamati Ellison's role is the contact area in defence.
Nah Scott Hansen is no longer defence coach Ellison stepped up to take it over completely .
And hasn't he done a sterling job!
NO
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@antipodean said in All Blacks 2025:
@sparky said in All Blacks 2025:
@antipodean Ellison answers to Scott Hansen.
I think you're missing my point. How is that delineation not confusing to players?
Reminds me of any other bloated corporate where responsibilities are overlapping and it's hard to tell what each person's role is
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So who's coaching what again?
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@sparky said in All Blacks 2025:
@Chris Scott Hansen is in charge of defence......
Tamati Ellison's role is the contact area in defence.
WTAF?
Do they have a bootlace-tying coach as well?
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@African-Monkey 1-5 Ryan, 6-8 Razor, 9-10 Hansen, 12-13 Holland, 11,14,15 Rangi
don't ya remember?
