Ireland v All Blacks - Chicago2
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@taniwharugby said in Ireland v All Blacks - Chicago2:
what are the chances the red card gets rescinded?
Should be zero.
These things are both true:
The WR framework means that is a Red Card.
The contact was soft and feels more yellow-worthy.
But really, if BB was knocked out would we be saying yellow? Head into shoulder can have really bad outcomes.
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@nzzp still recall the French winger who tipped BB in the air, landing on his head, Gardner gave him a RC that was later rescinded...
Agree, in the current framework, it is red, but WR will likely find a way to undermine themselves and.the process somehow.
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@No-Quarter yes, it was horrific. And pretty shocking how badly they threw in the towel. I don't think we're as bad as that result though. At 7-0, we were a decent pass away from 14-0 and it's a different match.
Anyway, not saying we're playing well. Just saying some "supporters" have lost the plot.
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@Richie8-7 said in Ireland v All Blacks - Chicago2:
@No-Quarter yes, it was horrific. And pretty shocking how badly they threw in the towel. I don't think we're as bad as that result though. At 7-0, we were a decent pass away from 14-0 and it's a different match.
Anyway, not saying we're playing well. Just saying some "supporters" have lost the plot.
This bit annoys me and it's something you see on social media comments a lot: the idea that you can't criticise a team and also support them. Criticism means you care enough to expect more. Support is not blind approval.
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@frugby said in Ireland v All Blacks - Chicago2:
Went under the radar, but Ratima got about three minutes. I get they rate Roigard, but the All Blacks aren't in a great place when a halfback has to go 77 minutes when, what is in theory our #2 halfback is on the bench.
And how many minutes did Aaron Smith average during that purple patch of AB rugby….
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@canefan said in Ireland v All Blacks - Chicago2:
@frugby said in Ireland v All Blacks - Chicago2:
Went under the radar, but Ratima got about three minutes. I get they rate Roigard, but the All Blacks aren't in a great place when a halfback has to go 77 minutes when, what is in theory our #2 halfback is on the bench.
I thought Cam paced himself though. He didn't get into heavy contact, and the only sniping run was late when he scored
Arguably we needed that sniping earlier when the game was in the balance, rather than at the end when were already two scores ahead?
I know we don't want it overdone, but not sure we need it underdone either?
Just to clarify my early post, I think he had a decent game, despite thinking he didn't live up to some of the hype.
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@Richie8-7 said in Ireland v All Blacks - Chicago2:
Anyway, not saying we're playing well. Just saying some "supporters" have lost the plot.
Did you wake up from a coma in 2024? The plot was well and truly lost in the Fozzie era, there's not even close to the same vitriol towards Razor despite the Saffa loss.
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@taniwharugby said in Ireland v All Blacks - Chicago2:
French winger
Fullback.
Ironic name: Benjamin Fall.
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@Nepia fuck yes the vitriol towards Fozzie was next level, and Chiefs fans were joining in. At least Razor has his merry band of Crusaders supporters to come riding to his defense every now and then.
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I've only just got around to watching this. To those who are trying to be positive about the margin, well, that's an Irish team in decline with an early red card, and they've had to chance their arm late.
Worst lineout performance from the usually rock-solid Taylor I can recall. New combinations not working (which fucking gets my dander up when Caleb Clarke says they've just basically had the week off!), but also not-straights.
Beauden Barrett is still being defended and picked when he is making mistakes that would see you dropped at schoolboy level. Great little pop pass to a beautiful line from McKenzie for the try, but the rest was pretty much slop.
The Irish were really mediocre. Poor kicking (apart from the excellent JGP), really poor lineout, poor scrum, lots of knock-ons (that's you James Lowe ya cockhead).
I wasn't surprised the card turned red, but I think it's really harsh. The Irish guy didn't think he was making a tackle at all. BB didn't think he was getting the ball. The Irish captain was right, the pass was forward, which put them both in a collision they weren't prepared for. It was accidental, and I'd be much happier if that was yellow.
One last comment - the whinging on here from NZers, and the sense of victimhood has become a goddamned fucking disgrace. Especially when combined with constantly calling the Irish out for exactly that. I know it's frustrating that we're a bit shit, but harden up you bunch of fluffybunnies, you're embarrassing. -
Just thinking about that YouTube video.
After a period of two or three years with all us old die hards saying shit like "it's just rugby, "he didn't mean to", "game's gone soft" how often do you see these incidents now? Judicial and Officiating clamp don has worked.
By the same token I expect the clamp down on the head impacts will start to have the same effects and players will learn not to put themselves in danger like Beirne did. Don't be upright, don't brace, don't lead with your shoulder without wrapping...
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Maybe I didn’t see all the relevant comments, but the key theme on the RC was that it should be red based on history and current interpretation. Im not sure that anyone here really wants those sorts of things to be red, but we need some consistency.
I personally thought YC was about right.
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@nostrildamus said in Ireland v All Blacks - Chicago2:
I was following the game but not seeing it, and had an eye on this thread at the time but not posting.
I genuinely don't know how you do that mate! Read a (or those that post) on forum during a game. I can't take my eyes of screen, lol it's the same when I go to games, my mrs always laughs, doesn't utter a word to me until there a big break, she reckons I never hear her, or even blink!
Probably why I don't drink when I go to games, f*** that I not going for a slash or get refills while there rugby to watch.One of reasons I dislike mexican waves etc, sit down ya idiots, you get in the way!
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@ACT-Crusader said in Ireland v All Blacks - Chicago2:
@frugby said in Ireland v All Blacks - Chicago2:
Went under the radar, but Ratima got about three minutes. I get they rate Roigard, but the All Blacks aren't in a great place when a halfback has to go 77 minutes when, what is in theory our #2 halfback is on the bench.
And how many minutes did Aaron Smith average during that purple patch of AB rugby….
Pre 2015, roughly 70,
2016-2017, roughly 65
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@Dan54 said in Ireland v All Blacks - Chicago2:
I genuinely don't know how you do that mate!
Not ideal-I didn't have live access for this game and following the match thread was like a game-who are they complaining about, what is the score, are they talking about something now or 5 minutes ago?
But apart from playing who's called whom a fluffybunny games, yes, much rather have watched it at the time. But I've noticed for AB games when I watch it after hearing the score I notice things more than when I'm watching it as it plays-the blinkers of fandom I guess.
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I didn't say it, but I was extremely confident we would win this game.
For several reasons, all big picture, which I wont bother you with.
I leave the minutiae to the rest of the ferners.And I too did not watch the game until after I read the thread.
And glad I did, because I had my finger on the fast-forward button to get rid of all that officiating shite.
Started slow and finished fast; I liked that.Ironically (because the next teams are lower ranked than the Irish) less confident about the games coming; but that is more about us than the opposition.
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@frugby said in Ireland v All Blacks - Chicago2:
@ACT-Crusader said in Ireland v All Blacks - Chicago2:
@frugby said in Ireland v All Blacks - Chicago2:
Went under the radar, but Ratima got about three minutes. I get they rate Roigard, but the All Blacks aren't in a great place when a halfback has to go 77 minutes when, what is in theory our #2 halfback is on the bench.
And how many minutes did Aaron Smith average during that purple patch of AB rugby….
Pre 2015, roughly 70,
2016-2017, roughly 65
2018-2023, roughly 60And in that 2013 test vs Ireland he played all 85 minutes!
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@ACT-Crusader said in Ireland v All Blacks - Chicago2:
@frugby said in Ireland v All Blacks - Chicago2:
@ACT-Crusader said in Ireland v All Blacks - Chicago2:
@frugby said in Ireland v All Blacks - Chicago2:
Went under the radar, but Ratima got about three minutes. I get they rate Roigard, but the All Blacks aren't in a great place when a halfback has to go 77 minutes when, what is in theory our #2 halfback is on the bench.
And how many minutes did Aaron Smith average during that purple patch of AB rugby….
Pre 2015, roughly 70,
2016-2017, roughly 65
2018-2023, roughly 60And in that 2013 test vs Ireland he played all 85 minutes!
That 2023 match against Ireland he played the whole game too ...
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We are going to need our first choice halfback to play big minutes if not the whole game from time to time.
