Ireland v All Blacks - Chicago2
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what are the chances the red card gets rescinded?
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@No-Quarter said in Ireland v All Blacks - Chicago2:
@nostrildamus said in Ireland v All Blacks - Chicago2:
@No-Quarter said in Ireland v All Blacks - Chicago2:
Gotta love people coming in after the fact and acting like they knew we'd win
who said that?
@Richie8-7 has a habit of making an appearance when the ABs win to stick the boot into anyone critical of the coaches, while being strangely absent for games like the the drubbing we got from SA at home, and also being completely absent from posting live during the game when we are not playing well.
When did I say anything about people being critical of the coaches? I clearly stated that the team is far from great. I specifically criticised comments like "worst team in 50 years" and those wanting every player and coach sacked? Then what?
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@Richie8-7 not sure anyone is asking for any players to be sacked, but the coaches... can you name a worse AB performance then that home loss to SA? As far as I can tell that's the worst performance of all time, so "worst AB team in last 50 years" isn't exactly over-egging it after that. 43 fucking 10 with players giving up in the final 10. On the back of that performance, and the shit show we served up for the first 60 minutes of that match before Ireland shat the bed, yeah people are going to be harshly critical. Unless we just accept mediocrity in the ABs these days, maybe we should?
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@frugby said in Ireland v All Blacks - Chicago2:
Went under the radar, but Ratima got about three minutes. I get they rate Roigard, but the All Blacks aren't in a great place when a halfback has to go 77 minutes when, what is in theory our #2 halfback is on the bench.
I thought Cam paced himself though. He didn't get into heavy contact, and the only sniping run was late when he scored
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@No-Quarter said in Ireland v All Blacks - Chicago2:
@Richie8-7 not sure anyone is asking for any players to be sacked, but the coaches... can you name a worse AB performance then that home loss to SA? As far as I can tell that's the worst performance of all time, so "worst AB team in last 50 years" isn't exactly over-egging it after that. 43 fucking 10 with players giving up in the final 10. On the back of that performance, and the shit show we served up for the first 60 minutes of that match before Ireland shat the bed, yeah people are going to be harshly critical. Unless we just accept mediocrity in the ABs these days, maybe we should?
The only player who is getting almost universal calls from TSF to be dropped is BB
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@frugby said in Ireland v All Blacks - Chicago2:
Went under the radar, but Ratima got about three minutes. I get they rate Roigard, but the All Blacks aren't in a great place when a halfback has to go 77 minutes when, what is in theory our #2 halfback is on the bench.
Turned out to be a pretty good call to leave him on ay?
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@taniwharugby said in Ireland v All Blacks - Chicago2:
what are the chances the red card gets rescinded?
Should be zero.
These things are both true:
The WR framework means that is a Red Card.
The contact was soft and feels more yellow-worthy.
But really, if BB was knocked out would we be saying yellow? Head into shoulder can have really bad outcomes.
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@nzzp still recall the French winger who tipped BB in the air, landing on his head, Gardner gave him a RC that was later rescinded...
Agree, in the current framework, it is red, but WR will likely find a way to undermine themselves and.the process somehow.
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@No-Quarter yes, it was horrific. And pretty shocking how badly they threw in the towel. I don't think we're as bad as that result though. At 7-0, we were a decent pass away from 14-0 and it's a different match.
Anyway, not saying we're playing well. Just saying some "supporters" have lost the plot.
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@Richie8-7 said in Ireland v All Blacks - Chicago2:
@No-Quarter yes, it was horrific. And pretty shocking how badly they threw in the towel. I don't think we're as bad as that result though. At 7-0, we were a decent pass away from 14-0 and it's a different match.
Anyway, not saying we're playing well. Just saying some "supporters" have lost the plot.
This bit annoys me and it's something you see on social media comments a lot: the idea that you can't criticise a team and also support them. Criticism means you care enough to expect more. Support is not blind approval.
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@frugby said in Ireland v All Blacks - Chicago2:
Went under the radar, but Ratima got about three minutes. I get they rate Roigard, but the All Blacks aren't in a great place when a halfback has to go 77 minutes when, what is in theory our #2 halfback is on the bench.
And how many minutes did Aaron Smith average during that purple patch of AB rugby….
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@canefan said in Ireland v All Blacks - Chicago2:
@frugby said in Ireland v All Blacks - Chicago2:
Went under the radar, but Ratima got about three minutes. I get they rate Roigard, but the All Blacks aren't in a great place when a halfback has to go 77 minutes when, what is in theory our #2 halfback is on the bench.
I thought Cam paced himself though. He didn't get into heavy contact, and the only sniping run was late when he scored
Arguably we needed that sniping earlier when the game was in the balance, rather than at the end when were already two scores ahead?
I know we don't want it overdone, but not sure we need it underdone either?
Just to clarify my early post, I think he had a decent game, despite thinking he didn't live up to some of the hype.
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@Richie8-7 said in Ireland v All Blacks - Chicago2:
Anyway, not saying we're playing well. Just saying some "supporters" have lost the plot.
Did you wake up from a coma in 2024? The plot was well and truly lost in the Fozzie era, there's not even close to the same vitriol towards Razor despite the Saffa loss.
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@taniwharugby said in Ireland v All Blacks - Chicago2:
French winger
Fullback.
Ironic name: Benjamin Fall.
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@Nepia fuck yes the vitriol towards Fozzie was next level, and Chiefs fans were joining in. At least Razor has his merry band of Crusaders supporters to come riding to his defense every now and then.
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I've only just got around to watching this. To those who are trying to be positive about the margin, well, that's an Irish team in decline with an early red card, and they've had to chance their arm late.
Worst lineout performance from the usually rock-solid Taylor I can recall. New combinations not working (which fucking gets my dander up when Caleb Clarke says they've just basically had the week off!), but also not-straights.
Beauden Barrett is still being defended and picked when he is making mistakes that would see you dropped at schoolboy level. Great little pop pass to a beautiful line from McKenzie for the try, but the rest was pretty much slop.
The Irish were really mediocre. Poor kicking (apart from the excellent JGP), really poor lineout, poor scrum, lots of knock-ons (that's you James Lowe ya cockhead).
I wasn't surprised the card turned red, but I think it's really harsh. The Irish guy didn't think he was making a tackle at all. BB didn't think he was getting the ball. The Irish captain was right, the pass was forward, which put them both in a collision they weren't prepared for. It was accidental, and I'd be much happier if that was yellow.
One last comment - the whinging on here from NZers, and the sense of victimhood has become a goddamned fucking disgrace. Especially when combined with constantly calling the Irish out for exactly that. I know it's frustrating that we're a bit shit, but harden up you bunch of fluffybunnies, you're embarrassing. -
Just thinking about that YouTube video.
After a period of two or three years with all us old die hards saying shit like "it's just rugby, "he didn't mean to", "game's gone soft" how often do you see these incidents now? Judicial and Officiating clamp don has worked.
By the same token I expect the clamp down on the head impacts will start to have the same effects and players will learn not to put themselves in danger like Beirne did. Don't be upright, don't brace, don't lead with your shoulder without wrapping...
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Maybe I didn’t see all the relevant comments, but the key theme on the RC was that it should be red based on history and current interpretation. Im not sure that anyone here really wants those sorts of things to be red, but we need some consistency.
I personally thought YC was about right.
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@nostrildamus said in Ireland v All Blacks - Chicago2:
I was following the game but not seeing it, and had an eye on this thread at the time but not posting.
I genuinely don't know how you do that mate! Read a (or those that post) on forum during a game. I can't take my eyes of screen, lol it's the same when I go to games, my mrs always laughs, doesn't utter a word to me until there a big break, she reckons I never hear her, or even blink!
Probably why I don't drink when I go to games, f*** that I not going for a slash or get refills while there rugby to watch.One of reasons I dislike mexican waves etc, sit down ya idiots, you get in the way!
