Exodus
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So after reading it, it's just a typical Herald league v rugby article
The whole article is predicated on players from the same school. We all know there's a problem in Ta$man and it's all @Chris-B's fault.
It constantly mentions the NRL contract when the next paragraph references guys going in on lower grade contracts.
It also mentions Leka as to how the pathway is so good because he's had contract increases, most young players don't have his sort of meteoric rise.
As it stands, the professional rugby league options available to NZās best and brightest young players far outweigh the equivalent in rugby union. There are six Super Rugby franchises based in NZ. Playing anywhere else makes them ineligible for the All Blacks and the bumper payday that comes with the black jersey.
By comparison, there are 17 NRL clubs. For now.This is odd, as playing NRL makes them ineligible for the All Blacks too, and if they're good enough they can make a bumper payday in the NH too. (Also, my technical brain seems to be getting worse, now I can't remember how to do quotes.)
Perkins will start in the SG Ball competition (under-19s) while Inch and Saumaki will get their first taste in Jersey Flegg (under-21s). The next step from there is the New South Wales Cup (reserve grade) before becoming fully-fledged first-grade players.
Is this really that much different than U20s, NPC and then Super?
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Watched an interview a few weeks ago.
Andrew Seibold.
He was commenting on a trip to Christchurch. Not sure why he was there; but we can easily guess.
He thought he would be completely anonymous.
But he was blown away by people recognising him in the street, and wanting to have a chat.
Who'd of thought, Christchurch, rugby league heartland . . . well . . . maybe not yet. -
Well worth a read.
Interesting article (luckily, I was able to push through after reading āteenage rugby prodigy Tom Perkinsā in the very first sentence). The thing that struck me the most ā I donāt know nearly enough about the financial part of the game to get into that ā was the way Perkins was described as a player, both by himself and by others.
āI think it fits my skill set a lot ... better. [...] A lot more running with the ball, a lot more aerial work, which I think fits my game a lot better as well.ā (Perkins) āI think heās more athletic than Kai Pearce-Paul, to be fair. Heās well put together. He moves well, beautiful balance.ā (Peter OāSullivan, Newcastle Knights scout)
āMore athletic than Kai Pearce-Paulā is a genuinely crazy statement. One of the first things you notice when watching Perkins is that his footwork isnāt really explosive enough, especially when moving laterally. To me, that was a sign he would eventually become more of an undersized lock at the next level or, at best, a tight-playing blindside (where he would need to improve his physicality).
Iām sure OāSullivan doesnāt himself believe what he said there but itās easy to see how statements like that can get into a young playerās head. But, for those young players to succeed, I think they need to know and understand their own game, their own strengths and weaknesses. And Iām not sure that is the case for Perkins, at least not on the basis of this article.
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I do find it fascinating.
Initially it did insulate rugby union a little when they went pro; even had some players going the other way which could not have happened in the amateur era.
But a lot has changed in the last 30 years.In this part of the world rugby union has maintained its edge over rugby league from an international aspect, but in terms of the domestic pro game, rugby union has been blown out of the water in Australia.
And I think the pressure is going to build in the next 10 to 20 years on domestic pro rugby union in NZ.I wonder if in 30 years time or a few decades down the line at least you will have two landing spots for the talent -
a). NRL/Australia or
b). Top 14/France.It want happen overnight but like how waves erode rock over time the economics will just make it so. All Blacks will make the big bucks in France and those who choose league will make their money in one of two NZ NRL franchises or any of the rest.
I think Sonny Bill Williams career is to an extent an insight into the direction of travel.
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@gt12 I posted the links about 20 times, and still every boomer retard would reply "paywall". Often when the archive link was in the same post ...
Do you think you could give me some advice on how to get my VHS video player to work, Tim?
I think the cords might be plugged in the wrong holes!
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Watched an interview a few weeks ago.
Andrew Seibold.
He was commenting on a trip to Christchurch. Not sure why he was there; but we can easily guess.
He thought he would be completely anonymous.
But he was blown away by people recognising him in the street, and wanting to have a chat.
Who'd of thought, Christchurch, rugby league heartland . . . well . . . maybe not yet.Rugby League has a massive following in Chch, always has. The grassroots may not be as strong as it has been in years gone by (where is strong grassroots these days), but the NRL in terms of popularity has gone from strength to strength.
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@MacDazzler said in Exodus:
@Mauss Kai Pearce-Paul was hyped to be the English SBW by media and Super League fans and seeing a few of his games over the last few years, I'm yet to see the hype around him.
correct which is also why its not hard to predict someone could be more athletic than him. KPP is tall, doesn't really offer footwork, runs ok lines but has long arms allowing for a good offload. If Perkins can play 80 mins at a good work rate, he's "athletic"
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As it stands, the professional rugby league options available to NZās best and brightest young players far outweigh the equivalent in rugby union. There are six Super Rugby franchises based in NZ. Playing anywhere else makes them ineligible for the All Blacks and the bumper payday that comes with the black jersey.
By comparison, there are 17 NRL clubs. For now.This is odd, as playing NRL makes them ineligible for the All Blacks too, and if they're good enough they can make a bumper payday in the NH too. (Also, my technical brain seems to be getting worse, now I can't remember how to do quotes.)
I think they're trying to say by removing the ABs for comparison purposes because if you go offshore you lose access to both, whether it be league or union. They then line up the NZ super clubs vs all NRL clubs for spots. What they didnt also say is also why a lot of young rugby talent also plays rugby elsewhere and not NZ for the same reasons they're making. Earn cash faster essentially.
I cant help feel though that there is more young talent players in first grade NRL (under 21) playing each week than in NZ Super first teams. (which is another comparison they're alluding to indirectly, excluding NPC ). I dont have facts for this but would be interesting to know, but would assume with more teams its seems likely.
And lastly my other thought would be if Australian rugby still had its appeal as to where it did in 2000, then this article doesn't happen.
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@nonpartizan said in Exodus:
I wonder if in 30 years time or a few decades down the line at least you will have two landing spots for the talent -
a). NRL/Australia or
b). Top 14/France.This would be a disaster.
This would make me in favour of R360.
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@bayimports said in Exodus:
correct which is also why its not hard to predict someone could be more athletic than him. KPP is tall, doesn't really offer footwork, runs ok lines but has long arms allowing for a good offload. If Perkins can play 80 mins at a good work rate, he's "athletic"
But thatās not what OāSullivan is saying, though. When talking about the athleticism of tall guys, what is referred to is things like movement, dexterity, balance, explosiveness, not work rate. Itās in regards to one of the typical āflawsā of a tall body: that youāre gangly, slow to turn and lack coordination. Thatās what OāSullivan is referring to when talking about Perkinsā athleticism: āHeās well put together. He moves well, beautiful balance.ā
Kai-Pearce Paul might not be a great league player but I think itās fair to say that, as an athlete, heās very coordinated and balanced. He can accelerate off both feet and change direction quickly, heās quick off the ground and heās got good hand-eye coordination. I still think itās quite a statement to say that āheās more athletic than Kai Pearce-Paulā.
Just because I wanted to make sure that I wasnāt imagining things, I re-watched the second NZ Schools game against Australia U18, solely looking at the involvements of Perkins. Heās just not a very dynamic player: his movements into contact can be slow and awkward, both carrying and tackling, and heās not particularly light on his feet. He was often targeted in the defensive line by Australian carriers, as they were able to consistently make big metres in his channel. It wasn't pretty.
Anyway, Iām going to leave it at that. I often follow dual-code players in their rugby league pathways so Iāll do the same with Perkins. Hopefully he can make it to the highest level and make me look, once again, like an idiot.
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Hopefully he can make it to the highest level and make me look, once again, like an idiot.
been there done that
, this is the fern, we all have opinions that players make fools of us sometimes.. you might even join the rest of us mere mortals occasionally. Although your analysis will not see you matched often!I would suggest though after listening to a lot of league recruiters, Sullivan saw a few games even if not letting on (honesty is not always what they lead with), whether live or on video before making a decision, secondly its his role to talk a player up.
My point being, KPP is not a high bar to reach.. so even if he makes first grade (which he might not), he would not have to do much to better him.
Now watch KPP smash out big stats next year lol
