Scotland v All Blacks
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@sparky said in Scotland v All Blacks:
How many bad games can Ardie Savea and Beauden Barrett keep having in Black?
I can't remember any of our players in the past escaping scrutiny for such consistently disappointing performances.
Buck was unbeaten as captain and got dropped IIRC. How times have changed
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@pooler-fan said in Scotland v All Blacks:
Quote from Tom English on the BBC, sums it up quite well from a Scottish perspective.
Scotland could and should have won. They looked immortality in the eye and said "not today", as if 120 years isn't long enough to wait.They’ve stared immortality in the eye in each of the three previous tests. And whilst there were many talking up the “best opportunity” to break the curse, I do find the historical context interesting because many would say that lesser Scotland teams than yesterdays were right in those three tests with opportunities to win against better AB teams than what was on display yesterday.
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@ACT-Crusader said in Scotland v All Blacks:
@pooler-fan said in Scotland v All Blacks:
Quote from Tom English on the BBC, sums it up quite well from a Scottish perspective.
Scotland could and should have won. They looked immortality in the eye and said "not today", as if 120 years isn't long enough to wait.They’ve stared immortality in the eye in each of the three previous tests. And whilst there were many talking up the “best opportunity” to break the curse, I do find the historical context interesting because many would say that lesser Scotland teams than yesterdays were right in those three tests with opportunities to win against better AB teams than what was on display yesterday.
Like all teams without much depth the loss of 2-3 key players makes a 'best chance ever' unwinnable.
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@ACT-Crusader said in Scotland v All Blacks:
@pooler-fan said in Scotland v All Blacks:
Quote from Tom English on the BBC, sums it up quite well from a Scottish perspective.
Scotland could and should have won. They looked immortality in the eye and said "not today", as if 120 years isn't long enough to wait.They’ve stared immortality in the eye in each of the three previous tests. And whilst there were many talking up the “best opportunity” to break the curse, I do find the historical context interesting because many would say that lesser Scotland teams than yesterdays were right in those three tests with opportunities to win against better AB teams than what was on display yesterday.
Scotland (and Wales in the past) have lost close matches purely because of mentality against NZ.
Those top few inches are what wins test matches, did the Scottish players subconsciously really believe they were going to win that test match even at 17 all when they were pushing for a score?
On the other hand someone like DMAC comes off the bench fully expecting to make important decisions to impact the result. That 50/22 given the game situation at the time was fuckin epic, never mind the try or penalty. -
@pooler-fan said in Scotland v All Blacks:
@ACT-Crusader said in Scotland v All Blacks:
@pooler-fan said in Scotland v All Blacks:
Quote from Tom English on the BBC, sums it up quite well from a Scottish perspective.
Scotland could and should have won. They looked immortality in the eye and said "not today", as if 120 years isn't long enough to wait.They’ve stared immortality in the eye in each of the three previous tests. And whilst there were many talking up the “best opportunity” to break the curse, I do find the historical context interesting because many would say that lesser Scotland teams than yesterdays were right in those three tests with opportunities to win against better AB teams than what was on display yesterday.
Scotland (and Wales in the past) have lost close matches purely because of mentality against NZ.
Those top few inches are what wins test matches, did the Scottish players subconsciously really believe they were going to win that test match even at 17 all when they were pushing for a score?
On the other hand someone like DMAC comes off the bench fully expecting to make important decisions to impact the result. That 50/22 given the game situation at the time was fuckin epic, never mind the try or penalty.Yeah the 50/22 is my favourite addition to the game
Rewards skill and positive play in equal measure
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@BerniesCorner said in Scotland v All Blacks:
Overall we are tracking well. We have strength through the entire forward pack. When's the last time we could say that.
Last year DMac played well at 10. Why not use him. It's a mystery.
We are so much stronger now compared to the previous World Cup cycle and we lost that by a whisker. Glass half full.
Agree with all of that, except when we go to pieces now, we really go to pieces. I mean minutes 40-60 - WTF?
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@canefan said in Scotland v All Blacks:
@sparky said in Scotland v All Blacks:
How many bad games can Ardie Savea and Beauden Barrett keep having in Black?
I can't remember any of our players in the past escaping scrutiny for such consistently disappointing performances.
Buck was unbeaten as captain and got dropped IIRC. How times have changed
Yeah I watched bits of the series that essentially got Buck dropped. A solid victory over possibly the best Scottish team ever followed by a bit of a nail biter.
He wasn't at his best but by golly he was better than Beaudie and Ardie.
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@sparky said in Scotland v All Blacks:
@gt12 said in Scotland v All Blacks:
It's bad if we are talking about beating up the Scots as being a potential statement performance.
Scotland aren't a bad side at all. On a par with Los Pumas for me. Actually player for player I rate their backline as better than ours.
I'm not claiming that they are a bad side, but they have never beaten us and we are meant to beat them.
To rephrase then, you'd say that a good win over Argentina could be a 'statement performance'?
I think we should be setting our sights a little higher.
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@pooler-fan said in Scotland v All Blacks:
Quote from Tom English on the BBC, sums it up quite well from a Scottish perspective.
Scotland could and should have won. They looked immortality in the eye and said "not today", as if 120 years isn't long enough to wait.Yeah
Nah
30 mins on top vs 50 mins.
They had a shot, but not this day
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@sparky said in Scotland v All Blacks:
How many bad games can Ardie Savea and Beauden Barrett keep having in Black?
I can't remember any of our players in the past escaping scrutiny for such consistently disappointing performances.
It does have a ‘Zombies: Dawn of the Dead’ feeling to it or at least a John Farnham ‘Final Ever Farewell Tour’. Perhaps not so much with Ardie - although he’s starting to turn a little bit green. Beauden, however, is well into his Fat Elvis ‘Vegas Era’ - religiously playing the greatest hits and denying any possibility of the team growing or innovating beyond a legacy that now feels like a dead-weight. There’s the rub. Razor has brought in significant new talent, but in holding on grimly to these former talismen way beyond their. expiry dates he’s giving the whole team a haunted look. The message the newer players are absorbing is ‘you’re not as good as the originals so I’m keeping these old guys on payroll for the hits and memories crowd’. This explains the collective panic and breakdown of discipline when oppositions begin to develop the upper hand. The sheer fear of losing, the bunker mentality from the coaching box, infects the whole team and, zombie-like, they grope blindly through what they perceive as the enfolding darkness for a ‘secret’ that is never spelt out to them - a ‘secret’ that the un-zombie-like DMac displayed in his cameo - chance your arm, come out of your shell, and play. The problem is the coach.
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@His-Bobness said in Scotland v All Blacks:
shear
Great post but it's "sheer".
(Just wanted to get that in before @booboo )
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@sparky said in Scotland v All Blacks:
That really shouldn't matter though.
It was completely different in the amateurs.
You could ditch players with complete impunity then.
Shelford being a classic example.But I think we are getting ever closer to that point where it doesn't matter.
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@Victor-Meldrew Well spotted. Writing this on a phone in a crowded beer bar in Hanoi so you’ll have to excuse the typos.
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@booboo said in Scotland v All Blacks:
Just for shits and giggles...
1978 ...
Had this been played?
Still cracks me up
I watched that match at a mate's flat in Acton. As one point the fog was so thick we thought his B&W TV was fucked .
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@His-Bobness said in Scotland v All Blacks:
@Victor-Meldrew Well spotted. Writing this on a phone in a crowded beer bar in Hanoi so you’ll have to excuse the typos.
Put it down to the beer then.....you should see my spelling/grammar.
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@mohikamo said in Scotland v All Blacks:
@sparky said in Scotland v All Blacks:
That really shouldn't matter though.
It was completely different in the amateurs.
You could ditch players with complete impunity then.
Shelford being a classic example.But I think we are getting ever closer to that point where it doesn't matter.
It would be interesting to know how much contract value has in selections
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