Exodus
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@reprobate said in Exodus:
@reprobate Not many - but, how much money did NZR save not having to pay them?
They''ve got Leicester back and Frizz is apparently coming - didn't have to pay them for two years of the rebuild part of the cycle- yet options for the Big Dance in 2027.
If it is a win-win to lose games but not have to pay our best players, then why not send them all away? Think of the savings!
Because obviously, at that point, the marginal impact on results of losing a small handful of players, becomes a major impact on results.
Ryan's on record as saying Frizell didn't really want to go and not enough effort was made on the contracting side to keep him.
Razor would obviously have loved to have Richie, but the money men have clearly decided he's not worth $2 million per season to retain. Probably rightly so - at best he might have won us two or three more games.
I suspect you and I are at the forefront of people who think Richie was a major loss. Plenty here who weren't particularly sad to see him gone - and we'd be fine with DMac, Beauden, Plummer and Burke and a few others bubbling under. I think "over-hyped little Cantab" was one of the terms.
But that's my point - if it's okay for one guy, how can it not be okay for others? If you set the precedent, you set the precedent.
Mounga was the starting 10. It's the most influential position on the field. Of course he's a big loss. Robertson persisting with BB (when he's already older than DC when he retired) means he has put all our eggs in the Mounga basket, which is terrible planning. He talks about wanting to build depth - but he is actively hindering it at 10.
Mounga coming back probably had a bit to do with Plummer leaving: being 3rd choice to a past-it Barrett (also coming back from sabbatical) and McKenzie is one thing; being 4th choice behind Mounga as well means take the cash. Burke gone as well.
Even after that, we probably still would be fine if Raygun would quit it with the stop-gap bullshit BB selection, and play someone who has has a chance of being a world class 10 in time for the WC. Or someone who is an option to keep playing after the WC - because what then? BB will be in a wheelchair, RM off to get paid, DM will have been playing bench fullback, and zero development coming in behind them. It is terrible succession planning, terrible for the future of NZ rugby. I guess it is good for two things: Mounga's wallet and ego, and Robertson wanting to win a WC coaching another country. -
@reprobate said in Exodus:
It is quite apparent that NZR can not afford to pay all the players that they want . . . what the players want to be paid.
So there is going to be a certain amount of churn with player contracts.
It'll be like this from now on, whether we like it or not.Or . . . we could go down the SA path.
Add to that, guys leaving because they know the established ABs are coming back and they will lose their spots? Plummer is gone, and it wouldn't surprise me to see an announcement of Love and/or Reihana leaving too.
That comes back to my original premise - if Richie had never left, Reihana would have had far less opportunity at the Crusaders and judging by what's happening at the moment, Love would be a fully fledged member of the AB XV tour.
I'm not sure this would make them less likely to leave, because the ABs would be even further away for them.
I get where you're coming from on Mo'unga - but, I don't think him crashing and burning (with our RWC hopes) will solve much.
We're on a financial tightrope, where only 36-odd players can play for the ABs, and anyone who's not on an AB salary is probably pretty easy pickings from a financial perspective.
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@reprobate I've got no real explanation for what they're doing at 10 - except that they must think Beauden is clearly the best 10 in the country and they're prioritizing winning as many tests as they can.
I'm fully in favour of the second part, but I don't really understand the first bit - or, at least to the extent that Beaudy seems to be indispensable.
I guess you can extrapolate from above, though - that if Richie was here, he'd be playing 10, BB on the bench, DMac watching from the stands...and so forth...everyone pushed down a place.
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@reprobate said in Exodus:
Pushing everyone down a spot and making them more likely to leave is fine. That's competition.
What's not fine is pushing everyone down a spot temporarily when the global pinnacle happens, so a guy can have his cake and eat it.I guess that's still competition - Richie has opened the door wide and given all comers a shot at "his" jersey and appears to be backing himself to be able to come back and take it back. We've yet to see how that pans out.
Interestingly, I had a similar converstation with TR probably a decade ago - about rowing. Either Waddell or Drysdale had pulled the same move - buggering off and then coming back for the Olympics.
I was taking your side and TR was taking mine. I believe I called him a disciple of Ruth Richardson, or similar!
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@Chris-B Me? I do not know anywhere enough about that sport (very superficial knowledge) to have engaged to that level.
My concerns with them was more that they were the best 2 at the time, but we only were allowed 1 qualified boat, whereas other events, such as swimming/sprinting you could have multiple from 1 country to dominate.
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@taniwharugby Pretty sure it was you, but I'm prepared to be wrong.
I know fuck all about rowing either, but it was around that issue.
I think maybe Drysdale had qualified the boat for the Olympics and then Waddell came back from wherever he'd gone and decided to compete for the spot - and there could be only one.
But, it might have been someone else and Mahe?
Whomever got called a disciple of Ruth certainly didn't like it at the time!
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In 2008 he made a comeback to rowing after leaving the sport after the 2000 Sydney Olympics, in pursuit of a sailing career as a grinder. With 8 years out of the sport he broke the 2000 m and 5000 m world records on the rowing machine and defeated Mahé Drysdale, the world champion in the single sculls, who was also a New Zealander. As it was an Olympic year and only one crew can be sent to the Olympics in each boat class the stage was set for a battle to see who would fill the Olympic single sculls spot. Despite Waddell getting the better of Drysdale in the domestic regattas the selectors created a three-race trial to decide who would go. With the wins for each sculler tied at 1–1 it came down to a final race which Drysdale won.
Crikey - it was 17 years ago!!!
Justice was probably served - yeah - Rob had been away collecting the big America's Cup cash!
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Your are guna fuck'n hate this.
I'd say they had a budgetary choice to make; Lendrum and the money men that is.
RM or BB.
And . . . this is what you are guna fuckin hate . . . BB got the nod for PR reasons.But we'll keep chattering to Richie, stay on his good side, see what happens.
The saffas dont have to make that sort of call.
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Your are guna fuck'n hate this.
I'd say they had a budgetary choice to make; Lendrum and the money men that is.
RM or BB.
And . . . this is what you are guna fuckin hate . . . BB got the nod for PR reasons.But we'll keep chattering to Richie, stay on his good side, see what happens.
The saffas dont have to make that sort of call.
Well, unless you're wrong, you're not wrong, I do hate that.
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Blues and NZ u20 Lock/6 Randell Baker (20) signs for Canon Eagles in Japan.
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I hope Sotutu goes, because one way or another we’ll get some sort of answer of whether he has been so hard done by.
What if he goes to Japan and plays for Fiji. What sort of answer will get out of that?
More money to be made in the UK, and the chance to rub it in Razor's face at RWC27
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@Daffy-Jaffy Do many U20 players sign overseas in the same year that they played?
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I hope Sotutu goes, because one way or another we’ll get some sort of answer of whether he has been so hard done by.
What if he goes to Japan and plays for Fiji. What sort of answer will get out of that?
More money to be made in the UK, and the chance to rub it in Razor's face at RWC27
If there is more money to go to be made in UK why didn't RMo go there?
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I hope Sotutu goes, because one way or another we’ll get some sort of answer of whether he has been so hard done by.
What if he goes to Japan and plays for Fiji. What sort of answer will get out of that?
More money to be made in the UK, and the chance to rub it in Razor's face at RWC27
If there is more money to go to be made in UK why didn't RMo go there?
Maybe he likes sushi? It's an easier game in Japan and perhaps he always knew he would come back and play in the ABs. If Hoskins wants to play for one of the top test teams England is his logical destination
