All Blacks 2025
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@stodders said in All Blacks 2025:
@Nogusta said in All Blacks 2025:
You can't say its "DP's decision" unless you have some evidence that Razor actually picked him and DP said no.
Razor: "Dalton I've picked you for the All Blacks"
DP: "No thanks.
Nailed it bruv
Got the 'call up' whilst with the ABXVs
Said thanks but no thanks.
Won't play for a coach he has lost respect for
NZRU considering sanction/fine of some
kind.
He got shafted last year around the time of the Northern tour and again this year.
Was it (this years shafting) to do with his non selection? Yes and no.The end of season review may be brutal.
It should be. It should also be done in private. Let's not have any of the briefings and airing of bad blood we've had in the past.
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JK really upset here I thought he was going to cry at about the 10-11 minute mark. These guys are usually just taking the piss out of each other, I barely watch this pod as a result, but all of them seem genuinely concerned.. There has to be talk out there for him to be this upset.
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@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks 2025:
@stodders said in All Blacks 2025:
@Nogusta said in All Blacks 2025:
You can't say its "DP's decision" unless you have some evidence that Razor actually picked him and DP said no.
Razor: "Dalton I've picked you for the All Blacks"
DP: "No thanks.
Nailed it bruv
Got the 'call up' whilst with the ABXVs
Said thanks but no thanks.
Won't play for a coach he has lost respect for
NZRU considering sanction/fine of some
kind.
He got shafted last year around the time of the Northern tour and again this year.
Was it (this years shafting) to do with his non selection? Yes and no.The end of season review may be brutal.
It should be. It should also be done in private. Let's not have any of the briefings and airing of bad blood we've had in the past.
Agreed. Have to hope that Kirk hires a CEO that wrestles control from the marketing department and puts the high performance team back in charge.
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@Nogusta said in All Blacks 2025:
You can't say its "DP's decision" unless you have some evidence that Razor actually picked him and DP said no.
Razor: "Dalton I've picked you for the All Blacks"
DP: "No thanks.
Nailed it bruv
Got the 'call up' whilst with the ABXVs
Said thanks but no thanks.
Won't play for a coach he has lost respect for
NZRU considering sanction/fine of some
kind.
He got shafted last year around the time of the Northern tour and again this year.
Was it (this years shafting) to do with his non selection? Yes and no.Interesting. So I assume that's another Blues player off overseas then? I remember you saying last year that Razor had ghosted him.
Things really do sound like they're getting ugly behind the scenes and just in time for a tour of SA as well.
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@African-Monkey said in All Blacks 2025:
@Nogusta said in All Blacks 2025:
You can't say its "DP's decision" unless you have some evidence that Razor actually picked him and DP said no.
Razor: "Dalton I've picked you for the All Blacks"
DP: "No thanks.
Nailed it bruv
Got the 'call up' whilst with the ABXVs
Said thanks but no thanks.
Won't play for a coach he has lost respect for
NZRU considering sanction/fine of some
kind.
He got shafted last year around the time of the Northern tour and again this year.
Was it (this years shafting) to do with his non selection? Yes and no.Interesting. So I assume that's another Blues player off overseas then? I remember you saying last year that Razor had ghosted him.
Things really do sound like they're getting ugly behind the scenes and just in time for a tour of SA as well.
I get you might be pissed off but the sense of entitlement for a fringe All Black player to do that is a tad pathetic. Can you imagine anyone in any other serious job behaving like that?
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@jimmyb said in All Blacks 2025:
@African-Monkey said in All Blacks 2025:
@Nogusta said in All Blacks 2025:
You can't say its "DP's decision" unless you have some evidence that Razor actually picked him and DP said no.
Razor: "Dalton I've picked you for the All Blacks"
DP: "No thanks.
Nailed it bruv
Got the 'call up' whilst with the ABXVs
Said thanks but no thanks.
Won't play for a coach he has lost respect for
NZRU considering sanction/fine of some
kind.
He got shafted last year around the time of the Northern tour and again this year.
Was it (this years shafting) to do with his non selection? Yes and no.Interesting. So I assume that's another Blues player off overseas then? I remember you saying last year that Razor had ghosted him.
Things really do sound like they're getting ugly behind the scenes and just in time for a tour of SA as well.
I get you might be pissed off but the sense of entitlement for a fringe All Black player to do that is a tad pathetic. Can you imagine anyone in any other serious job behaving like that?
Well, I've walked away from business clients as being associated with them would be bad for my business/career prospects.
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@stodders said in All Blacks 2025:
@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks 2025:
@stodders said in All Blacks 2025:
@Nogusta said in All Blacks 2025:
You can't say its "DP's decision" unless you have some evidence that Razor actually picked him and DP said no.
Razor: "Dalton I've picked you for the All Blacks"
DP: "No thanks.
Nailed it bruv
Got the 'call up' whilst with the ABXVs
Said thanks but no thanks.
Won't play for a coach he has lost respect for
NZRU considering sanction/fine of some
kind.
He got shafted last year around the time of the Northern tour and again this year.
Was it (this years shafting) to do with his non selection? Yes and no.The end of season review may be brutal.
It should be. It should also be done in private. Let's not have any of the briefings and airing of bad blood we've had in the past.
Agreed. Have to hope that Kirk hires a CEO that wrestles control from the marketing department and puts the high performance team back in charge.
It's pretty key. The people who's names have been mentioned look OK and are from outside the environment.
Kirk's a smart boy in Whineray's league so there's a good chance
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@jimmyb said in All Blacks 2025:
@African-Monkey said in All Blacks 2025:
@Nogusta said in All Blacks 2025:
You can't say its "DP's decision" unless you have some evidence that Razor actually picked him and DP said no.
Razor: "Dalton I've picked you for the All Blacks"
DP: "No thanks.
Nailed it bruv
Got the 'call up' whilst with the ABXVs
Said thanks but no thanks.
Won't play for a coach he has lost respect for
NZRU considering sanction/fine of some
kind.
He got shafted last year around the time of the Northern tour and again this year.
Was it (this years shafting) to do with his non selection? Yes and no.Interesting. So I assume that's another Blues player off overseas then? I remember you saying last year that Razor had ghosted him.
Things really do sound like they're getting ugly behind the scenes and just in time for a tour of SA as well.
I get you might be pissed off but the sense of entitlement for a fringe All Black player to do that is a tad pathetic. Can you imagine anyone in any other serious job behaving like that?
From the outside looking in, yeah, I'd agree, but I don't know what's happened behind the scenes and it must have been pretty bad for it to come to that?
Similar to the Silver Ferns/Noelene Taurua saga. Everyone's jumped on Taurua's side, but I'm sure there's a lot more to it as there are always 2 sides to every story.
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I agree in principle with this. But, the only thing keeping people here is the chance to be an AB.
You can make far more money overseas, with far less pressure, and be treated very very well.
So, if you deem the environment to be toxic, and believe that the road back is blocked, and have a young family... I can easily see why someone would choose to stay out of the environment.
The proof of the pudding will be in the eating; Paps is likely on a pretty good contract now, but that won't last without further selection. So if he buggers off overseas - and he would command a very good contract halfway between a WC - we may look back at this differently.
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@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks 2025:
@jimmyb said in All Blacks 2025:
@African-Monkey said in All Blacks 2025:
@Nogusta said in All Blacks 2025:
You can't say its "DP's decision" unless you have some evidence that Razor actually picked him and DP said no.
Razor: "Dalton I've picked you for the All Blacks"
DP: "No thanks.
Nailed it bruv
Got the 'call up' whilst with the ABXVs
Said thanks but no thanks.
Won't play for a coach he has lost respect for
NZRU considering sanction/fine of some
kind.
He got shafted last year around the time of the Northern tour and again this year.
Was it (this years shafting) to do with his non selection? Yes and no.Interesting. So I assume that's another Blues player off overseas then? I remember you saying last year that Razor had ghosted him.
Things really do sound like they're getting ugly behind the scenes and just in time for a tour of SA as well.
I get you might be pissed off but the sense of entitlement for a fringe All Black player to do that is a tad pathetic. Can you imagine anyone in any other serious job behaving like that?
Well, I've walked away from business clients as being associated with them would be bad for my business/career prospects.
Yes but I’m not sure the two are comparable. One is a smart business decision, the other is behaving like a brat. Dalton is a good player but he doesn’t have the personal accolades to be demanding anything from anyone
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@jimmyb said in All Blacks 2025:
@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks 2025:
@jimmyb said in All Blacks 2025:
@African-Monkey said in All Blacks 2025:
@Nogusta said in All Blacks 2025:
You can't say its "DP's decision" unless you have some evidence that Razor actually picked him and DP said no.
Razor: "Dalton I've picked you for the All Blacks"
DP: "No thanks.
Nailed it bruv
Got the 'call up' whilst with the ABXVs
Said thanks but no thanks.
Won't play for a coach he has lost respect for
NZRU considering sanction/fine of some
kind.
He got shafted last year around the time of the Northern tour and again this year.
Was it (this years shafting) to do with his non selection? Yes and no.Interesting. So I assume that's another Blues player off overseas then? I remember you saying last year that Razor had ghosted him.
Things really do sound like they're getting ugly behind the scenes and just in time for a tour of SA as well.
I get you might be pissed off but the sense of entitlement for a fringe All Black player to do that is a tad pathetic. Can you imagine anyone in any other serious job behaving like that?
Well, I've walked away from business clients as being associated with them would be bad for my business/career prospects.
Yes but I’m not sure the two are comparable. One is a smart business decision, the other is behaving like a brat. Dalton is a good player but he doesn’t have the personal accolades to be demanding anything from anyone
Here's another way of looking at it. How has the AB coach managed to piss off a fringe AB off to the point he turns down selection
Reeks of Mitchell/Deans man management issues
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@gt12 said in All Blacks 2025:
I agree in principle with this. But, the only thing keeping people here is the chance to be an AB.
You can make far more money overseas, with far less pressure, and be treated very very well.
So, if you deem the environment to be toxic, and believe that the road back is blocked, and have a young family... I can easily see why someone would choose to stay out of the environment.
The proof of the pudding will be in the eating; Paps is likely on a pretty good contract now, but that won't last without further selection. So if he buggers off overseas - and he would command a very good contract halfway between a WC - we may look back at this differently.
I agree. If your priority is money and family, go overseas. But you do that like an adult. You say, Listen, thanks but I’m priorities long term financial success for my family and I think that’s best done elsewhere. Not throwing your toys because you and your mates (who really aren’t flash enough to behaving like this) dont get picked.
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@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks 2025:
@jimmyb said in All Blacks 2025:
@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks 2025:
@jimmyb said in All Blacks 2025:
@African-Monkey said in All Blacks 2025:
@Nogusta said in All Blacks 2025:
You can't say its "DP's decision" unless you have some evidence that Razor actually picked him and DP said no.
Razor: "Dalton I've picked you for the All Blacks"
DP: "No thanks.
Nailed it bruv
Got the 'call up' whilst with the ABXVs
Said thanks but no thanks.
Won't play for a coach he has lost respect for
NZRU considering sanction/fine of some
kind.
He got shafted last year around the time of the Northern tour and again this year.
Was it (this years shafting) to do with his non selection? Yes and no.Interesting. So I assume that's another Blues player off overseas then? I remember you saying last year that Razor had ghosted him.
Things really do sound like they're getting ugly behind the scenes and just in time for a tour of SA as well.
I get you might be pissed off but the sense of entitlement for a fringe All Black player to do that is a tad pathetic. Can you imagine anyone in any other serious job behaving like that?
Well, I've walked away from business clients as being associated with them would be bad for my business/career prospects.
Yes but I’m not sure the two are comparable. One is a smart business decision, the other is behaving like a brat. Dalton is a good player but he doesn’t have the personal accolades to be demanding anything from anyone
Here's another way of looking at it. How has the AB coach managed to piss off a fringe AB off to the point he turns down selection
Reeks of Mitchell/Deans man management issues
He was happy to cash his when Foster had him in and out of the squad? And Fosters environment seemed no less toxic.
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@jimmyb said in All Blacks 2025:
@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks 2025:
@jimmyb said in All Blacks 2025:
@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks 2025:
@jimmyb said in All Blacks 2025:
@African-Monkey said in All Blacks 2025:
@Nogusta said in All Blacks 2025:
You can't say its "DP's decision" unless you have some evidence that Razor actually picked him and DP said no.
Razor: "Dalton I've picked you for the All Blacks"
DP: "No thanks.
Nailed it bruv
Got the 'call up' whilst with the ABXVs
Said thanks but no thanks.
Won't play for a coach he has lost respect for
NZRU considering sanction/fine of some
kind.
He got shafted last year around the time of the Northern tour and again this year.
Was it (this years shafting) to do with his non selection? Yes and no.Interesting. So I assume that's another Blues player off overseas then? I remember you saying last year that Razor had ghosted him.
Things really do sound like they're getting ugly behind the scenes and just in time for a tour of SA as well.
I get you might be pissed off but the sense of entitlement for a fringe All Black player to do that is a tad pathetic. Can you imagine anyone in any other serious job behaving like that?
Well, I've walked away from business clients as being associated with them would be bad for my business/career prospects.
Yes but I’m not sure the two are comparable. One is a smart business decision, the other is behaving like a brat. Dalton is a good player but he doesn’t have the personal accolades to be demanding anything from anyone
Here's another way of looking at it. How has the AB coach managed to piss off a fringe AB off to the point he turns down selection
Reeks of Mitchell/Deans man management issues
He was happy to cash his when Foster had him in and out of the squad? And Fosters environment seemed no less toxic.
He was behind the AB captain under Foz.
Now guys who don't play a single test all season get picked in every squad ahead of him (Jacobson).
The players stood up for Foster and demanded that Robinson not sack him.
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@jimmyb said in All Blacks 2025:
@gt12 said in All Blacks 2025:
I agree in principle with this. But, the only thing keeping people here is the chance to be an AB.
You can make far more money overseas, with far less pressure, and be treated very very well.
So, if you deem the environment to be toxic, and believe that the road back is blocked, and have a young family... I can easily see why someone would choose to stay out of the environment.
The proof of the pudding will be in the eating; Paps is likely on a pretty good contract now, but that won't last without further selection. So if he buggers off overseas - and he would command a very good contract halfway between a WC - we may look back at this differently.
I agree. If your priority is money and family, go overseas. But you do that like an adult. You say, Listen, thanks but I’m priorities long term financial success for my family and I think that’s best done elsewhere. Not throwing your toys because you and your mates (who really aren’t flash enough to behaving like this) dont get picked.
You speak like you know something. If not you can only presume like the rest of us. But there seems to be a lot of smoke emanating from numerous sources all of a sudden. And where there's smoke there's often fire. Trust is a two way street, and if these players feel trust is lacking it isn't unreasonable for them to want no part of a toxic situation
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@jimmyb said in All Blacks 2025:
@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks 2025:
@jimmyb said in All Blacks 2025:
@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks 2025:
@jimmyb said in All Blacks 2025:
@African-Monkey said in All Blacks 2025:
@Nogusta said in All Blacks 2025:
You can't say its "DP's decision" unless you have some evidence that Razor actually picked him and DP said no.
Razor: "Dalton I've picked you for the All Blacks"
DP: "No thanks.
Nailed it bruv
Got the 'call up' whilst with the ABXVs
Said thanks but no thanks.
Won't play for a coach he has lost respect for
NZRU considering sanction/fine of some
kind.
He got shafted last year around the time of the Northern tour and again this year.
Was it (this years shafting) to do with his non selection? Yes and no.Interesting. So I assume that's another Blues player off overseas then? I remember you saying last year that Razor had ghosted him.
Things really do sound like they're getting ugly behind the scenes and just in time for a tour of SA as well.
I get you might be pissed off but the sense of entitlement for a fringe All Black player to do that is a tad pathetic. Can you imagine anyone in any other serious job behaving like that?
Well, I've walked away from business clients as being associated with them would be bad for my business/career prospects.
Yes but I’m not sure the two are comparable. One is a smart business decision, the other is behaving like a brat. Dalton is a good player but he doesn’t have the personal accolades to be demanding anything from anyone
Here's another way of looking at it. How has the AB coach managed to piss off a fringe AB off to the point he turns down selection
Reeks of Mitchell/Deans man management issues
He was happy to cash his when Foster had him in and out of the squad? And Fosters environment seemed no less toxic.
Foster's results may have been up and down, but judging by the reaction of the players before the 2nd Boks test in 2022, he seemed to have the respect of the players?
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@jimmyb said in All Blacks 2025:
@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks 2025:
@jimmyb said in All Blacks 2025:
@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks 2025:
@jimmyb said in All Blacks 2025:
@African-Monkey said in All Blacks 2025:
@Nogusta said in All Blacks 2025:
You can't say its "DP's decision" unless you have some evidence that Razor actually picked him and DP said no.
Razor: "Dalton I've picked you for the All Blacks"
DP: "No thanks.
Nailed it bruv
Got the 'call up' whilst with the ABXVs
Said thanks but no thanks.
Won't play for a coach he has lost respect for
NZRU considering sanction/fine of some
kind.
He got shafted last year around the time of the Northern tour and again this year.
Was it (this years shafting) to do with his non selection? Yes and no.Interesting. So I assume that's another Blues player off overseas then? I remember you saying last year that Razor had ghosted him.
Things really do sound like they're getting ugly behind the scenes and just in time for a tour of SA as well.
I get you might be pissed off but the sense of entitlement for a fringe All Black player to do that is a tad pathetic. Can you imagine anyone in any other serious job behaving like that?
Well, I've walked away from business clients as being associated with them would be bad for my business/career prospects.
Yes but I’m not sure the two are comparable. One is a smart business decision, the other is behaving like a brat. Dalton is a good player but he doesn’t have the personal accolades to be demanding anything from anyone
Here's another way of looking at it. How has the AB coach managed to piss off a fringe AB off to the point he turns down selection
Reeks of Mitchell/Deans man management issues
He was happy to cash his when Foster had him in and out of the squad? And Fosters environment seemed no less toxic.
I disagree. Despite all of the media and fans baying for Fozzie's blood, the players stood with him publicly
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@canefan said in All Blacks 2025:
@jimmyb said in All Blacks 2025:
@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks 2025:
@jimmyb said in All Blacks 2025:
@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks 2025:
@jimmyb said in All Blacks 2025:
@African-Monkey said in All Blacks 2025:
@Nogusta said in All Blacks 2025:
You can't say its "DP's decision" unless you have some evidence that Razor actually picked him and DP said no.
Razor: "Dalton I've picked you for the All Blacks"
DP: "No thanks.
Nailed it bruv
Got the 'call up' whilst with the ABXVs
Said thanks but no thanks.
Won't play for a coach he has lost respect for
NZRU considering sanction/fine of some
kind.
He got shafted last year around the time of the Northern tour and again this year.
Was it (this years shafting) to do with his non selection? Yes and no.Interesting. So I assume that's another Blues player off overseas then? I remember you saying last year that Razor had ghosted him.
Things really do sound like they're getting ugly behind the scenes and just in time for a tour of SA as well.
I get you might be pissed off but the sense of entitlement for a fringe All Black player to do that is a tad pathetic. Can you imagine anyone in any other serious job behaving like that?
Well, I've walked away from business clients as being associated with them would be bad for my business/career prospects.
Yes but I’m not sure the two are comparable. One is a smart business decision, the other is behaving like a brat. Dalton is a good player but he doesn’t have the personal accolades to be demanding anything from anyone
Here's another way of looking at it. How has the AB coach managed to piss off a fringe AB off to the point he turns down selection
Reeks of Mitchell/Deans man management issues
He was happy to cash his when Foster had him in and out of the squad? And Fosters environment seemed no less toxic.
I disagree. Despite all of the media and fans baying for Fozzie's blood, the players stood with him publicly
Seems to be the opposite with Razor? Fans and media love him, players? Up for debate perhaps?
