All Blacks 2025
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@mariner4life said in All Blacks 2025:
@DurryMexted said in All Blacks 2025:
@ShaquilleOatmeal The Ardie situation is arguably even tougher than the BB situation. It feels like the Barrett situation will run its course following this tour, where he physically is not up to it and its fairly obvious even to the lesser engaged fans. Beaudie could retire from international footy or just have an 'injury cloud' and fade into a much lesser role in the squad. Its not a hard decision for Razor to make.
Ardie on the other hand is actually still in seemingly great physical condition, but is just refusing to be a role player in the team. For one, its not immediately clear that the coaching staff even see this issue, but assuming they actually do some analysis on this - Razor has to either re-train him into actually peforming his core role (& him actually doing it on the field) or drop him for an actual 7 who can and will tackle and hit rucks all day. For a coach/organisation that seems to be so heavily dictated by broader influence, i dont see this happening until it becomes so bad that everyone starts to agree (as per BB situation) and even then all it takes is a short instagram snippet of a turnover or big dummie and the masses will be satisfied that all is well. I just cant see a situation where Ardie is dropped, and i cant see one where he changes his play. So will be a holding pattern through to the RWC
the wider public are finally starting to turn on BB and even Scott B
The wider public still think Ardie was unlucky not to get shortlisted for World Player of the Year (yep, i have seen calls like this) so there is no pressure.
Read comments sections, for every call that Savea is not doing his job there are 5 that want him to be captain because he's got Samoan pride and mana and dumb shit like that.
Staunch facials and sick social media can get you a long way these days. Beast mode!Get the Ardie-should-be-dropped-to-the-bench argument and the Scooter argument. But I also think we play better when Ardie has the armband.
Which kinda begs the question who should really be captain? A fit(?) Patty T, Roigard (too early), Sititi (ditto), Jordie?
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@mariner4life said in All Blacks 2025:
if we are real with ourselves, there were a LOT of calls on here for complete clearing of house and a fresh start after the Fozzie years...
Worked well.
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@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks 2025:
@mariner4life said in All Blacks 2025:
@DurryMexted said in All Blacks 2025:
@ShaquilleOatmeal The Ardie situation is arguably even tougher than the BB situation. It feels like the Barrett situation will run its course following this tour, where he physically is not up to it and its fairly obvious even to the lesser engaged fans. Beaudie could retire from international footy or just have an 'injury cloud' and fade into a much lesser role in the squad. Its not a hard decision for Razor to make.
Ardie on the other hand is actually still in seemingly great physical condition, but is just refusing to be a role player in the team. For one, its not immediately clear that the coaching staff even see this issue, but assuming they actually do some analysis on this - Razor has to either re-train him into actually peforming his core role (& him actually doing it on the field) or drop him for an actual 7 who can and will tackle and hit rucks all day. For a coach/organisation that seems to be so heavily dictated by broader influence, i dont see this happening until it becomes so bad that everyone starts to agree (as per BB situation) and even then all it takes is a short instagram snippet of a turnover or big dummie and the masses will be satisfied that all is well. I just cant see a situation where Ardie is dropped, and i cant see one where he changes his play. So will be a holding pattern through to the RWC
the wider public are finally starting to turn on BB and even Scott B
The wider public still think Ardie was unlucky not to get shortlisted for World Player of the Year (yep, i have seen calls like this) so there is no pressure.
Read comments sections, for every call that Savea is not doing his job there are 5 that want him to be captain because he's got Samoan pride and mana and dumb shit like that.
Staunch facials and sick social media can get you a long way these days. Beast mode!Get the Ardie-should-be-dropped-to-the-bench argument and the Scooter argument. But I also think we play better when Ardie has the armband.
Which kinda begs the question who should really be captain? A fit(?) Patty T, Roigard (too early), Sititi (ditto), Jordie?
Vaai or Paps...
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@Bones said in All Blacks 2025:
@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks 2025:
@mariner4life said in All Blacks 2025:
@DurryMexted said in All Blacks 2025:
@ShaquilleOatmeal The Ardie situation is arguably even tougher than the BB situation. It feels like the Barrett situation will run its course following this tour, where he physically is not up to it and its fairly obvious even to the lesser engaged fans. Beaudie could retire from international footy or just have an 'injury cloud' and fade into a much lesser role in the squad. Its not a hard decision for Razor to make.
Ardie on the other hand is actually still in seemingly great physical condition, but is just refusing to be a role player in the team. For one, its not immediately clear that the coaching staff even see this issue, but assuming they actually do some analysis on this - Razor has to either re-train him into actually peforming his core role (& him actually doing it on the field) or drop him for an actual 7 who can and will tackle and hit rucks all day. For a coach/organisation that seems to be so heavily dictated by broader influence, i dont see this happening until it becomes so bad that everyone starts to agree (as per BB situation) and even then all it takes is a short instagram snippet of a turnover or big dummie and the masses will be satisfied that all is well. I just cant see a situation where Ardie is dropped, and i cant see one where he changes his play. So will be a holding pattern through to the RWC
the wider public are finally starting to turn on BB and even Scott B
The wider public still think Ardie was unlucky not to get shortlisted for World Player of the Year (yep, i have seen calls like this) so there is no pressure.
Read comments sections, for every call that Savea is not doing his job there are 5 that want him to be captain because he's got Samoan pride and mana and dumb shit like that.
Staunch facials and sick social media can get you a long way these days. Beast mode!Get the Ardie-should-be-dropped-to-the-bench argument and the Scooter argument. But I also think we play better when Ardie has the armband.
Which kinda begs the question who should really be captain? A fit(?) Patty T, Roigard (too early), Sititi (ditto), Jordie?
Vaai or Paps...
Yeah, think you're right. Vaa'i has matured hugely and Paps captaincy with the All Blacks XV may well be a pointer if serious changes come to pass.
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On the general public and media getting the message about Savea not doing the job, there were still prominent commenters saying they’d have him in their World XV this week. It’s just not getting through that he’s highly overrated.
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@ShaquilleOatmeal thing is, its not just Kiwi commentators, he seems extremely well regarded and rated outside nz too...those socials are influential
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@taniwharugby said in All Blacks 2025:
@ShaquilleOatmeal thing is, its not just Kiwi commentators, he seems extremely well regarded and rated outside nz too...those socials are influential
Yup, when I turned up to rugby on Sunday, about half a dozen poms first question was a variation on "what happened to Savea?".
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@game_film said in All Blacks 2025:
I’m familiar with a few NZ journo/broadcaster types but don’t know much about Mark Watson. He doesn’t pull any punches here. Love the passion, he’s on the verge of tears.
Watto is a shock jock who hates rugby. Has eventually stumbled on an issue that he can bash rugby with that resonates.
"Apologise to Me!"
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@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks 2025:
@mariner4life said in All Blacks 2025:
@DurryMexted said in All Blacks 2025:
@ShaquilleOatmeal The Ardie situation is arguably even tougher than the BB situation. It feels like the Barrett situation will run its course following this tour, where he physically is not up to it and its fairly obvious even to the lesser engaged fans. Beaudie could retire from international footy or just have an 'injury cloud' and fade into a much lesser role in the squad. Its not a hard decision for Razor to make.
Ardie on the other hand is actually still in seemingly great physical condition, but is just refusing to be a role player in the team. For one, its not immediately clear that the coaching staff even see this issue, but assuming they actually do some analysis on this - Razor has to either re-train him into actually peforming his core role (& him actually doing it on the field) or drop him for an actual 7 who can and will tackle and hit rucks all day. For a coach/organisation that seems to be so heavily dictated by broader influence, i dont see this happening until it becomes so bad that everyone starts to agree (as per BB situation) and even then all it takes is a short instagram snippet of a turnover or big dummie and the masses will be satisfied that all is well. I just cant see a situation where Ardie is dropped, and i cant see one where he changes his play. So will be a holding pattern through to the RWC
the wider public are finally starting to turn on BB and even Scott B
The wider public still think Ardie was unlucky not to get shortlisted for World Player of the Year (yep, i have seen calls like this) so there is no pressure.
Read comments sections, for every call that Savea is not doing his job there are 5 that want him to be captain because he's got Samoan pride and mana and dumb shit like that.
Staunch facials and sick social media can get you a long way these days. Beast mode!Get the Ardie-should-be-dropped-to-the-bench argument and the Scooter argument. But I also think we play better when Ardie has the armband.
Which kinda begs the question who should really be captain? A fit(?) Patty T, Roigard (too early), Sititi (ditto), Jordie?
I'm of the opinion that the way out is to pick a leadership group and appoint captain from the team selected game to game.
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@booboo said in All Blacks 2025:
@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks 2025:
@mariner4life said in All Blacks 2025:
@DurryMexted said in All Blacks 2025:
@ShaquilleOatmeal The Ardie situation is arguably even tougher than the BB situation. It feels like the Barrett situation will run its course following this tour, where he physically is not up to it and its fairly obvious even to the lesser engaged fans. Beaudie could retire from international footy or just have an 'injury cloud' and fade into a much lesser role in the squad. Its not a hard decision for Razor to make.
Ardie on the other hand is actually still in seemingly great physical condition, but is just refusing to be a role player in the team. For one, its not immediately clear that the coaching staff even see this issue, but assuming they actually do some analysis on this - Razor has to either re-train him into actually peforming his core role (& him actually doing it on the field) or drop him for an actual 7 who can and will tackle and hit rucks all day. For a coach/organisation that seems to be so heavily dictated by broader influence, i dont see this happening until it becomes so bad that everyone starts to agree (as per BB situation) and even then all it takes is a short instagram snippet of a turnover or big dummie and the masses will be satisfied that all is well. I just cant see a situation where Ardie is dropped, and i cant see one where he changes his play. So will be a holding pattern through to the RWC
the wider public are finally starting to turn on BB and even Scott B
The wider public still think Ardie was unlucky not to get shortlisted for World Player of the Year (yep, i have seen calls like this) so there is no pressure.
Read comments sections, for every call that Savea is not doing his job there are 5 that want him to be captain because he's got Samoan pride and mana and dumb shit like that.
Staunch facials and sick social media can get you a long way these days. Beast mode!Get the Ardie-should-be-dropped-to-the-bench argument and the Scooter argument. But I also think we play better when Ardie has the armband.
Which kinda begs the question who should really be captain? A fit(?) Patty T, Roigard (too early), Sititi (ditto), Jordie?
I'm of the opinion that the way out is to pick a leadership group and appoint captain from the team selected game to game.
Agreed. And have the captain confer with other sensible players (if there are any) during the game.
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@voodoo said in All Blacks 2025:
This looks pretty close to the speech I imagine Razor gave the lads this week
The breakdancing version?
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@Bones said in All Blacks 2025:
@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks 2025:
@mariner4life said in All Blacks 2025:
@DurryMexted said in All Blacks 2025:
@ShaquilleOatmeal The Ardie situation is arguably even tougher than the BB situation. It feels like the Barrett situation will run its course following this tour, where he physically is not up to it and its fairly obvious even to the lesser engaged fans. Beaudie could retire from international footy or just have an 'injury cloud' and fade into a much lesser role in the squad. Its not a hard decision for Razor to make.
Ardie on the other hand is actually still in seemingly great physical condition, but is just refusing to be a role player in the team. For one, its not immediately clear that the coaching staff even see this issue, but assuming they actually do some analysis on this - Razor has to either re-train him into actually peforming his core role (& him actually doing it on the field) or drop him for an actual 7 who can and will tackle and hit rucks all day. For a coach/organisation that seems to be so heavily dictated by broader influence, i dont see this happening until it becomes so bad that everyone starts to agree (as per BB situation) and even then all it takes is a short instagram snippet of a turnover or big dummie and the masses will be satisfied that all is well. I just cant see a situation where Ardie is dropped, and i cant see one where he changes his play. So will be a holding pattern through to the RWC
the wider public are finally starting to turn on BB and even Scott B
The wider public still think Ardie was unlucky not to get shortlisted for World Player of the Year (yep, i have seen calls like this) so there is no pressure.
Read comments sections, for every call that Savea is not doing his job there are 5 that want him to be captain because he's got Samoan pride and mana and dumb shit like that.
Staunch facials and sick social media can get you a long way these days. Beast mode!Get the Ardie-should-be-dropped-to-the-bench argument and the Scooter argument. But I also think we play better when Ardie has the armband.
Which kinda begs the question who should really be captain? A fit(?) Patty T, Roigard (too early), Sititi (ditto), Jordie?
Vaai or Paps...
The problem with Vaa'i is after he found his feet at lock, and was often our best player there, they've started fucking around with moving him to 6 to accommodate their under performing captain. So is he a lock or a 6? If it's 6, he still has a long way to go to learn the position, as even though he has played well wearing the 6 jumper, he still played more like a lock (which is completely understandable). You can't really make a guy captain if you are moving him between positions.
Paps ticked all the boxes with leadership experience and commanding his position at 7. That can't happen under the current coaches, but a big step forward for the ABs next season would be JJ head coach with Paps captain. Hell we may even get the best 8 in the squad as well! I wonder if JJ could convince Akira to come back as well? One can dream....
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@booboo said in All Blacks 2025:
@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks 2025:
@mariner4life said in All Blacks 2025:
@DurryMexted said in All Blacks 2025:
@ShaquilleOatmeal The Ardie situation is arguably even tougher than the BB situation. It feels like the Barrett situation will run its course following this tour, where he physically is not up to it and its fairly obvious even to the lesser engaged fans. Beaudie could retire from international footy or just have an 'injury cloud' and fade into a much lesser role in the squad. Its not a hard decision for Razor to make.
Ardie on the other hand is actually still in seemingly great physical condition, but is just refusing to be a role player in the team. For one, its not immediately clear that the coaching staff even see this issue, but assuming they actually do some analysis on this - Razor has to either re-train him into actually peforming his core role (& him actually doing it on the field) or drop him for an actual 7 who can and will tackle and hit rucks all day. For a coach/organisation that seems to be so heavily dictated by broader influence, i dont see this happening until it becomes so bad that everyone starts to agree (as per BB situation) and even then all it takes is a short instagram snippet of a turnover or big dummie and the masses will be satisfied that all is well. I just cant see a situation where Ardie is dropped, and i cant see one where he changes his play. So will be a holding pattern through to the RWC
the wider public are finally starting to turn on BB and even Scott B
The wider public still think Ardie was unlucky not to get shortlisted for World Player of the Year (yep, i have seen calls like this) so there is no pressure.
Read comments sections, for every call that Savea is not doing his job there are 5 that want him to be captain because he's got Samoan pride and mana and dumb shit like that.
Staunch facials and sick social media can get you a long way these days. Beast mode!Get the Ardie-should-be-dropped-to-the-bench argument and the Scooter argument. But I also think we play better when Ardie has the armband.
Which kinda begs the question who should really be captain? A fit(?) Patty T, Roigard (too early), Sititi (ditto), Jordie?
I'm of the opinion that the way out is to pick a leadership group and appoint captain from the team selected game to game.
Who would the leadership group options be from across the country? ( Just options of experienced leadership roles in Super Rugby - runs the game - and or high test caps. Some players shouldn't be in the selection. )
Ethan De Groot
Ofa Tu'ungafasi
Codie Taylor
Asafo Aumua
Scott Barrett
Patrick Tuipulotu
Tupou Vaa'i
Ardie Savea
Dalton Papali'i
Luke Jacobson
Du'Plessis Kirifi
Cam Roigard
Beauden Barrett
Jordie Barrett
David Havili
Anton Lienert Brown
Timoci Tavatavanawai
Billy Proctor
Rieko IoaneWho are the players that have been involved as leaders in successful Super Rugby campaigns?
Ofa Tu'ungafasi
Codie Taylor
Scott Barrett
Patrick Tuipulotu
Dalton Papali'i
David Havili
Rieko IoaneWho has played in RWC final?
Beauden Barrett
Will Jordan
Anton Leniert Brown
Rieko Ioane
Jordie Barrett
Damian Mckenzie
Finlay Christie
Ardie Savea
Dalton Papali'i
Scott Barrett
Samisoni Taukei'aho
Codie Taylor
Tyrell Lomax
Ethan De Groot
Tamaiti WilliamsWho has won an RWC?
Codie Taylor
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@MacDazzler said in All Blacks 2025:
Just listened to Scott Hansen's press conference.
The guy sounds like a politician and a total buffoon. Hopefully he's the next one to leave the All Blacks followed by Razor and Ryan.
He comes across really really strange.
Performatively calling the journalist "sir" because he wanted to sidestep the question and trot out his Bill Bellichick-esque "we are just focussed on Wales".
Scott Hansen has linkedin written all over him.
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@brodean said in All Blacks 2025:
@booboo said in All Blacks 2025:
@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks 2025:
@mariner4life said in All Blacks 2025:
@DurryMexted said in All Blacks 2025:
@ShaquilleOatmeal The Ardie situation is arguably even tougher than the BB situation. It feels like the Barrett situation will run its course following this tour, where he physically is not up to it and its fairly obvious even to the lesser engaged fans. Beaudie could retire from international footy or just have an 'injury cloud' and fade into a much lesser role in the squad. Its not a hard decision for Razor to make.
Ardie on the other hand is actually still in seemingly great physical condition, but is just refusing to be a role player in the team. For one, its not immediately clear that the coaching staff even see this issue, but assuming they actually do some analysis on this - Razor has to either re-train him into actually peforming his core role (& him actually doing it on the field) or drop him for an actual 7 who can and will tackle and hit rucks all day. For a coach/organisation that seems to be so heavily dictated by broader influence, i dont see this happening until it becomes so bad that everyone starts to agree (as per BB situation) and even then all it takes is a short instagram snippet of a turnover or big dummie and the masses will be satisfied that all is well. I just cant see a situation where Ardie is dropped, and i cant see one where he changes his play. So will be a holding pattern through to the RWC
the wider public are finally starting to turn on BB and even Scott B
The wider public still think Ardie was unlucky not to get shortlisted for World Player of the Year (yep, i have seen calls like this) so there is no pressure.
Read comments sections, for every call that Savea is not doing his job there are 5 that want him to be captain because he's got Samoan pride and mana and dumb shit like that.
Staunch facials and sick social media can get you a long way these days. Beast mode!Get the Ardie-should-be-dropped-to-the-bench argument and the Scooter argument. But I also think we play better when Ardie has the armband.
Which kinda begs the question who should really be captain? A fit(?) Patty T, Roigard (too early), Sititi (ditto), Jordie?
I'm of the opinion that the way out is to pick a leadership group and appoint captain from the team selected game to game.
Who would the leadership group options be from across the country? ( Just options of experienced leadership roles in Super Rugby - runs the game - and or high test caps. Some players shouldn't be in the selection. )
Ethan De Groot
Ofa Tu'ungafasi
Codie Taylor
Asafo Aumua
Scott Barrett
Patrick Tuipulotu
Tupou Vaa'i
Ardie Savea
Dalton Papali'i
Luke Jacobson
Du'Plessis Kirifi
Cam Roigard
Beauden Barrett
Jordie Barrett
David Havili
Anton Lienert Brown
Timoci Tavatavanawai
Billy Proctor
Rieko IoaneWho are the players that have been involved as leaders in successful Super Rugby campaigns?
Ofa Tu'ungafasi
Codie Taylor
Scott Barrett
Patrick Tuipulotu
Dalton Papali'i
David Havili
Rieko IoaneWho has played in RWC final?
Beauden Barrett
Will Jordan
Anton Leniert Brown
Rieko Ioane
Jordie Barrett
Damian Mckenzie
Finlay Christie
Ardie Savea
Dalton Papali'i
Scott Barrett
Samisoni Taukei'aho
Codie Taylor
Tyrell Lomax
Ethan De Groot
Tamaiti WilliamsWho has won an RWC?
Codie Taylor
Beauden BarrettOf that list, Taylor, Roigard, maybe Papali'i, Jordie Barrett, Scott Barrett and Tuipulotu, from the bench? Some guys aren't going to be on the field at the end of the game.
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