All Blacks 2025
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@Duluth said in All Blacks 2025:
Another quote from the article @tim linked to
But Robertson’s vision was never for him to undertake the tasks that most would agree constitute the role of head coach – setting the overall playing vision for the team and then overseeing the delivery of that plan. Instead, Robertson pitched himself as a culture coach, responsible for theming campaigns, communicating one-on-one with players to manage their expectations and career progression. As Robertson confirmed to the Herald this week in Cardiff, it is his assistant, Scott Hansen, who effectively operates in the role most would recognise as the head coach.the question needs to be asked that if Hansen had applied to be the head coach in 2023, would he have been given the role?It's all starting to make sense now.
There's a golden rule politicians know about trying to use the media - Ride the tiger and the tiger will eventually eat you.
NZR should've kept the RWC 23 team.
@antipodean said in All Blacks 2025:
NZR should've kept the RWC 23 team.
In hindsight, yes. But the public would have lynched NZR such was the Razor-mania
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@antipodean said in All Blacks 2025:
NZR should've kept the RWC 23 team.
In hindsight, yes. But the public would have lynched NZR such was the Razor-mania
@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks 2025:
@antipodean said in All Blacks 2025:
NZR should've kept the RWC 23 team.
In hindsight, yes. But the public would have lynched NZR such was the Razor-mania
If they hadn't made their decision early they might have pulled it off on the back of our narrow finals loss. I expect NZR were party to the Razor fluffy fest so they made their own bed
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@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks 2025:
@canefan said in All Blacks 2025:
@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks 2025:
@Jet said in All Blacks 2025:
We are in trouble folks.
This from Kirk is encouraging. Sounds like he knows what he's doing.
“We’re not in the business of having sub-optimal processes. We would certainly seek to avoid that type of process in the future. I would very much hope not, certainly when I’m the chair.”
How are you getting these quotes? Is there a full transcript on site that I don't know about?
It the article Tim posted.
I couldn't read it coz it was paywalled. Or can I???
@canefan said in All Blacks 2025:
@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks 2025:
@canefan said in All Blacks 2025:
@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks 2025:
@Jet said in All Blacks 2025:
We are in trouble folks.
This from Kirk is encouraging. Sounds like he knows what he's doing.
“We’re not in the business of having sub-optimal processes. We would certainly seek to avoid that type of process in the future. I would very much hope not, certainly when I’m the chair.”
How are you getting these quotes? Is there a full transcript on site that I don't know about?
It the article Tim posted.
I couldn't read it coz it was paywalled. Or can I???
Archive is your friend.
This is the sentence which stands out and I don't think has been quoted yet.
But it feels now like the people voted for a President who has handed the keys of office to the unelected Vice-President, without a mandate to do so.
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@canefan said in All Blacks 2025:
@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks 2025:
@canefan said in All Blacks 2025:
@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks 2025:
@Jet said in All Blacks 2025:
We are in trouble folks.
This from Kirk is encouraging. Sounds like he knows what he's doing.
“We’re not in the business of having sub-optimal processes. We would certainly seek to avoid that type of process in the future. I would very much hope not, certainly when I’m the chair.”
How are you getting these quotes? Is there a full transcript on site that I don't know about?
It the article Tim posted.
I couldn't read it coz it was paywalled. Or can I???
Archive is your friend.
This is the sentence which stands out and I don't think has been quoted yet.
But it feels now like the people voted for a President who has handed the keys of office to the unelected Vice-President, without a mandate to do so.
@gt12 said in All Blacks 2025:
@canefan said in All Blacks 2025:
@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks 2025:
@canefan said in All Blacks 2025:
@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks 2025:
@Jet said in All Blacks 2025:
We are in trouble folks.
This from Kirk is encouraging. Sounds like he knows what he's doing.
“We’re not in the business of having sub-optimal processes. We would certainly seek to avoid that type of process in the future. I would very much hope not, certainly when I’m the chair.”
How are you getting these quotes? Is there a full transcript on site that I don't know about?
It the article Tim posted.
I couldn't read it coz it was paywalled. Or can I???
Archive is your friend.
This is the sentence which stands out and I don't think has been quoted yet.
But it feels now like the people voted for a President who has handed the keys of office to the unelected Vice-President, without a mandate to do so.
I read the whole thing. Pretty bleak. What David Kirk does now will be massive
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@antipodean said in All Blacks 2025:
@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks 2025:
That's a fascinating article - confirms a lot of what has been suspected.
Mainly that Mark Robinson has a lot to answer for. That simpleton has singlehandedly ruined NZ rugby.
Not just Mark Robinson. Scott Robertson knew exactly the snake-oil he was peddling to NZR - and amplified it by threatening to coach another country if he didn't get the gig.
Been prepared to support him as I've never believed all the problems were down to the head coach (unlike many), but if that article is right, he needs to go right now for deliberately misleading people..
@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks 2025:
@antipodean said in All Blacks 2025:
@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks 2025:
That's a fascinating article - confirms a lot of what has been suspected.
Mainly that Mark Robinson has a lot to answer for. That simpleton has singlehandedly ruined NZ rugby.
Not just Mark Robinson. Scott Robertson knew exactly the snake-oil he was peddling to NZR - and amplified it by threatening to coach another country if he didn't get the gig.
Been prepared to support him as I've never believed all the problems were down to the head coach (unlike many), but if that article is right, he needs to go right now for deliberately misleading people..
I am not sure he did think he was selling snake oil - let alone that he knew he was. I just don't think he's that smart. I think he genuinely believes in his own genius. Dunning-Kruger Effect in full effect.
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@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks 2025:
@canefan said in All Blacks 2025:
@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks 2025:
@sparky said in All Blacks 2025:
@Victor-Meldrew I'm optimistic but Kirk. I think he's very able and quietly ruthless. Hopefully, he'll get rid of the bullshitters and the duffers in NZR one by one.
That said I was optimistic about Scott Robertson and look how that turned out.......
In my experience, when a Chairman starts talking about the need for optimal processes and refers to specific ones, it generally bodes well.
I hope he has the balls to take the nuclear option if need be
Might be cheaper contract buy-out wise to give JJ or Joe the Assistant (i.e head ) coach gig and keep Coach Jesus on as de facto media manager
Yes I suggested that earlier. He wants to be a figurehead? Then make it so. And pick someone to rebuild the locker room
@canefan said in All Blacks 2025:
@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks 2025:
@canefan said in All Blacks 2025:
@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks 2025:
@sparky said in All Blacks 2025:
@Victor-Meldrew I'm optimistic but Kirk. I think he's very able and quietly ruthless. Hopefully, he'll get rid of the bullshitters and the duffers in NZR one by one.
That said I was optimistic about Scott Robertson and look how that turned out.......
In my experience, when a Chairman starts talking about the need for optimal processes and refers to specific ones, it generally bodes well.
I hope he has the balls to take the nuclear option if need be
Might be cheaper contract buy-out wise to give JJ or Joe the Assistant (i.e head ) coach gig and keep Coach Jesus on as de facto media manager
Yes I suggested that earlier. He wants to be a figurehead? Then make it so. And pick someone to rebuild the locker room
ego want allow that
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6.5/10 for 2025
#10 Clearly a wasted opportunity persisting with BB this year.
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Okay, positives:
Holland's taken to Test Rugby like a duck to the wet stuff.
Jordie Barrett came back from Europe with an extra edge to his game.
Cam Roigard is world class.
Our Hookers are excellent.
DMac did well when he had game time. So did Caleb Clarke between injuries. So did Patrick Tuipolutu.
We have the Bledisloe. (Still).
Eden Park is a Fortress. (Still).
Wallace Sititi after being shaky for much of the year finished well.
In ranking terms, we are 2 in the world even if I think the Springboks, England and France are all comfortably better than us. -
We need a new captain
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Negatives (these are going to be longer):
We got humped royally by the Boks.
We got humped royally by the Poms.
Argentina give us a bit of a kicking.
We weren't convincing once. Our best performance all year was Perth and was a 7/10.
We don't look like a side that will challenge at the next World Cup.
We didn't win the Rugby Chmapionship.
We didn't do the Grand Slam.
Our defence is appalling.
Our captain has minimal influence.
We've started an aging and poor First Five for most of the year.
We're terrible in the air.
Our attacking structure isn't great.
Our defensive structure is poor.
Our discipline is terrible.
Ardie Savea has become a one or two miracle plays a game player.
Cortes Ratima isn't up to it.
The Simon Parker experiment didn't work.
Nor did the Billy Proctor one.
We didn't develop a new First Five.
Ruben Love wasn't given enough gametime.
Our best 7, Dalton Papalii, has been out of the squad for most of the year.
We go missing for large parts of games.In a word, unsatisfactory.
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@Jet said in All Blacks 2025:
Over to you Mr Kirk.
Do what needs to be done, or are you a waste of a salary too?
What do you expect Kirk to do?
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@Jet said in All Blacks 2025:
Over to you Mr Kirk.
Do what needs to be done, or are you a waste of a salary too?
What do you expect Kirk to do?
@Dan54 said in All Blacks 2025:
@Jet said in All Blacks 2025:
Over to you Mr Kirk.
Do what needs to be done, or are you a waste of a salary too?
What do you expect Kirk to do?
To boldly go.....?
Seriously, ask the right questions and find out what the actual problems are - not what we think they are.
Let's not repeat the mistake of blaming it all on the coach - not that I'm defending the useless twat.
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@Dan54 said in All Blacks 2025:
@Jet said in All Blacks 2025:
Over to you Mr Kirk.
Do what needs to be done, or are you a waste of a salary too?
What do you expect Kirk to do?
To boldly go.....?
Seriously, ask the right questions and find out what the actual problems are - not what we think they are.
Let's not repeat the mistake of blaming it all on the coach - not that I'm defending the useless twat.
@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks 2025:
@Dan54 said in All Blacks 2025:
@Jet said in All Blacks 2025:
Over to you Mr Kirk.
Do what needs to be done, or are you a waste of a salary too?
What do you expect Kirk to do?
To boldly go.....?
"It's life, Jim, but not as we know it."
“Insufficient facts always invite danger.”
“Sometimes a feeling is all we humans have to go on.”
“You know the greatest danger facing us is ourselves.” -
@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks 2025:
@Dan54 said in All Blacks 2025:
@Jet said in All Blacks 2025:
Over to you Mr Kirk.
Do what needs to be done, or are you a waste of a salary too?
What do you expect Kirk to do?
To boldly go.....?
"It's life, Jim, but not as we know it."
“Insufficient facts always invite danger.”
“Sometimes a feeling is all we humans have to go on.”
“You know the greatest danger facing us is ourselves.”@sparky said in All Blacks 2025:
@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks 2025:
@Dan54 said in All Blacks 2025:
@Jet said in All Blacks 2025:
Over to you Mr Kirk.
Do what needs to be done, or are you a waste of a salary too?
What do you expect Kirk to do?
To boldly go.....?
"It's life, Jim, but not as we know it."
“Insufficient facts always invite danger.”
“Sometimes a feeling is all we humans have to go on.”
“You know the greatest danger facing us is ourselves.”To stay on topic on what NZR/Kirk should do.....
"The obvious answer generally isn't, the wrong answer generally is"
"The best questions are the ones you are afraid to ask"
"Fix the future, fuck the past"
"The smartest bloke in the room isn't as smart as the two dumbest blokes working together" -
@Dan54 said in All Blacks 2025:
@Jet said in All Blacks 2025:
Over to you Mr Kirk.
Do what needs to be done, or are you a waste of a salary too?
What do you expect Kirk to do?
To boldly go.....?
Seriously, ask the right questions and find out what the actual problems are - not what we think they are.
Let's not repeat the mistake of blaming it all on the coach - not that I'm defending the useless twat.
@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks 2025:
@Dan54 said in All Blacks 2025:
@Jet said in All Blacks 2025:
Over to you Mr Kirk.
Do what needs to be done, or are you a waste of a salary too?
What do you expect Kirk to do?
To boldly go.....?
Seriously, ask the right questions and find out what the actual problems are - not what we think they are.
Let's not repeat the mistake of blaming it all on the coach - not that I'm defending the useless twat.
I agree with what you say, but genuinely he's not the NZR board, he's just the chairman. It's up to board to ask questions through the CEO. Remember what happened in Aus when the chairman thout he ran the whole game?
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We haven't improved in the last 24 months.
We have a tour of SA next year - current state we're gonna be swept.
If the NZR are serious about the legacy of this team, it starts with this tour.Give Joseph a shot at winning it. Razor had his chance to stamp his mark. And he missed.
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Negatives (these are going to be longer):
We got humped royally by the Boks.
We got humped royally by the Poms.
Argentina give us a bit of a kicking.
We weren't convincing once. Our best performance all year was Perth and was a 7/10.
We don't look like a side that will challenge at the next World Cup.
We didn't win the Rugby Chmapionship.
We didn't do the Grand Slam.
Our defence is appalling.
Our captain has minimal influence.
We've started an aging and poor First Five for most of the year.
We're terrible in the air.
Our attacking structure isn't great.
Our defensive structure is poor.
Our discipline is terrible.
Ardie Savea has become a one or two miracle plays a game player.
Cortes Ratima isn't up to it.
The Simon Parker experiment didn't work.
Nor did the Billy Proctor one.
We didn't develop a new First Five.
Ruben Love wasn't given enough gametime.
Our best 7, Dalton Papalii, has been out of the squad for most of the year.
We go missing for large parts of games.In a word, unsatisfactory.
@sparky said in All Blacks 2025:
Negatives (these are going to be longer):
We got humped royally by the Boks.
We got humped royally by the Poms.
Argentina give us a bit of a kicking.
We weren't convincing once. Our best performance all year was Perth and was a 7/10.
We don't look like a side that will challenge at the next World Cup.
We didn't win the Rugby Chmapionship.
We didn't do the Grand Slam.
Our defence is appalling.
Our captain has minimal influence.
We've started an aging and poor First Five for most of the year.
We're terrible in the air.
Our attacking structure isn't great.
Our defensive structure is poor.
Our discipline is terrible.
Ardie Savea has become a one or two miracle plays a game player.
Cortes Ratima isn't up to it.
The Scott Parker experiment didn't work.
Nor did the Billy Proctor one.
We didn't develop a new First Five.
Ruben Love wasn't given enough gametime.
Our best 7, Dalton Papalii, has been out of the squad for most of the year.
We go missing for large parts of games.In a word, unsatisfactory.
Great post.
