All Blacks 2025
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@MN5 said in All Blacks 2025:
@nzzp said in All Blacks 2025:
@gt12 said in All Blacks 2025:
His kicking game is a weakness, and there is nothing to suggest that he is getting sufficient coaching to turn it into being acceptable at international level.
OK, I'll go off on my rant.
I do not understand how professional players can spend years as full time pros and not develop their kicking and passing skills.
It's literally what you are paid to do. Twenty minutes a day, every day would over time lift the skills. I do not see the players putting in the effort and coaches don't seem to expect it. In a skill based game like rugby it should be a fundamental as the gym -but it appears to just get ignored
It would cut into the instagram time too much
Speaking of, how good was Ardie and Sevu's little toktok dance at the end of the game or whatever it was lolz......!
@African-Monkey said in All Blacks 2025:
@MN5 said in All Blacks 2025:
@nzzp said in All Blacks 2025:
@gt12 said in All Blacks 2025:
His kicking game is a weakness, and there is nothing to suggest that he is getting sufficient coaching to turn it into being acceptable at international level.
OK, I'll go off on my rant.
I do not understand how professional players can spend years as full time pros and not develop their kicking and passing skills.
It's literally what you are paid to do. Twenty minutes a day, every day would over time lift the skills. I do not see the players putting in the effort and coaches don't seem to expect it. In a skill based game like rugby it should be a fundamental as the gym -but it appears to just get ignored
It would cut into the instagram time too much
Speaking of, how good was Ardie and Sevu's little toktok dance at the end of the game or whatever it was lolz......!
Too much uce
( Hopefully Reeces farewell dance )
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@African-Monkey said in All Blacks 2025:
@MN5 said in All Blacks 2025:
@nzzp said in All Blacks 2025:
@gt12 said in All Blacks 2025:
His kicking game is a weakness, and there is nothing to suggest that he is getting sufficient coaching to turn it into being acceptable at international level.
OK, I'll go off on my rant.
I do not understand how professional players can spend years as full time pros and not develop their kicking and passing skills.
It's literally what you are paid to do. Twenty minutes a day, every day would over time lift the skills. I do not see the players putting in the effort and coaches don't seem to expect it. In a skill based game like rugby it should be a fundamental as the gym -but it appears to just get ignored
It would cut into the instagram time too much
Speaking of, how good was Ardie and Sevu's little toktok dance at the end of the game or whatever it was lolz......!
Too much uce
( Hopefully Reeces farewell dance )
@MN5 said in All Blacks 2025:
@African-Monkey said in All Blacks 2025:
@MN5 said in All Blacks 2025:
@nzzp said in All Blacks 2025:
@gt12 said in All Blacks 2025:
His kicking game is a weakness, and there is nothing to suggest that he is getting sufficient coaching to turn it into being acceptable at international level.
OK, I'll go off on my rant.
I do not understand how professional players can spend years as full time pros and not develop their kicking and passing skills.
It's literally what you are paid to do. Twenty minutes a day, every day would over time lift the skills. I do not see the players putting in the effort and coaches don't seem to expect it. In a skill based game like rugby it should be a fundamental as the gym -but it appears to just get ignored
It would cut into the instagram time too much
Speaking of, how good was Ardie and Sevu's little toktok dance at the end of the game or whatever it was lolz......!
Too much uce
( Hopefully Reeces farewell dance )
Haaard ma g!
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@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks 2025:
Kirk is probably in the driving seat right now. Not saying he'll take decisions on his own, but he's in a position to ask the right questions (starting to already) and seems smart enough to cut thru the snake oil and ensure he and the new CEO get the right answers
Kirk knows how to operate a board room.
And he knows rugby.
It's about setting a new direction; getting rid of the corporate type complacency that had quite naturally developed after a long period of sustained success.
Just about the perfect guy for this situation.I mean, selecting a culturist as your HC FFS.
The height of arrogance; doubt any of our opposition are going to be following that trend any time soon.
Wouldn't get rid of Robertson yet, unfortunately his basic win/loss isn't bad enough. The nature of the losses are so bad tho!
Let him start next season, and put a contingency plan in place; in case things go very, very badly.Get a new CEO, and tell him his first job will be to clean out the HP dept.
Living in Sydney might actually be an advantage if some people are guna get pissed-off.
@mohikamo said in All Blacks 2025:
@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks 2025:
Kirk is probably in the driving seat right now. Not saying he'll take decisions on his own, but he's in a position to ask the right questions (starting to already) and seems smart enough to cut thru the snake oil and ensure he and the new CEO get the right answers
Kirk knows how to operate a board room.
And he knows rugby.
It's about setting a new direction; getting rid of the corporate type complacency that had quite naturally developed after a long period of sustained success.
Just about the perfect guy for this situation.I mean, selecting a culturist as your HC FFS.
The height of arrogance; doubt any of our opposition are going to be following that trend any time soon.
Wouldn't get rid of Robertson yet, unfortunately his basic win/loss isn't bad enough. The nature of the losses are so bad tho!
Let him start next season, and put a contingency plan in place; in case things go very, very badly.Get a new CEO, and tell him his first job will be to clean out the HP dept.
Living in Sydney might actually be an advantage if some people are guna get pissed-off.
I would think the best way to move forward is to leave much of what is in place in place but make a priority to absolutely nail the appointment of a new coach in 2028 and other long term reforms. I'm thinking in terms of the accountability and review pieces so that coaches can't get away with what Razor has in 2024 and 25 - no new cap at 10, that is but one example of his poor stewardship.
I'm not saying give up on fixing things for the ABs in 2026 and 27 but to me that is the tip of the iceberg and it's parts of the iceberg that are not visible that need the attention.
If you over focus on the ABs and live and die with every result you are gonna be reactive and cleaning up messes rather than creating a long term vision that will ensure success past the current RWC cycle.
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@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks 2025:
Kirk is probably in the driving seat right now. Not saying he'll take decisions on his own, but he's in a position to ask the right questions (starting to already) and seems smart enough to cut thru the snake oil and ensure he and the new CEO get the right answers
Kirk knows how to operate a board room.
And he knows rugby.
It's about setting a new direction; getting rid of the corporate type complacency that had quite naturally developed after a long period of sustained success.
Just about the perfect guy for this situation.I mean, selecting a culturist as your HC FFS.
The height of arrogance; doubt any of our opposition are going to be following that trend any time soon.
Wouldn't get rid of Robertson yet, unfortunately his basic win/loss isn't bad enough. The nature of the losses are so bad tho!
Let him start next season, and put a contingency plan in place; in case things go very, very badly.Get a new CEO, and tell him his first job will be to clean out the HP dept.
Living in Sydney might actually be an advantage if some people are guna get pissed-off.
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Mark Robinson standing behind a wheelie bin as he presents the WR breakthrough trophy to Fabian Holland seems like an apt metaphor for his time as CEO.
@Smudge said in All Blacks 2025:
Mark Robinson standing behind a wheelie bin as he presents the WR breakthrough trophy to Fabian Holland seems like an apt metaphor for his time as CEO.
Hopefully the players are about to pick the outgoing CEO and place him in that same wheelie bin. Good riddance.
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Robertson, Hansen and Ryan are contracted to 2027. Ellison, like Holland, only until the end of this year. No surprises who may be easier to move aside.
@Bovidae assuming none of them have clauses and kpis re winning kpis, nzr clearly learnt nothing in the past 6 years.
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@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks 2025:
Kirk is probably in the driving seat right now. Not saying he'll take decisions on his own, but he's in a position to ask the right questions (starting to already) and seems smart enough to cut thru the snake oil and ensure he and the new CEO get the right answers
Kirk knows how to operate a board room.
And he knows rugby.
It's about setting a new direction; getting rid of the corporate type complacency that had quite naturally developed after a long period of sustained success.
Just about the perfect guy for this situation.I mean, selecting a culturist as your HC FFS.
The height of arrogance; doubt any of our opposition are going to be following that trend any time soon.
Wouldn't get rid of Robertson yet, unfortunately his basic win/loss isn't bad enough. The nature of the losses are so bad tho!
Let him start next season, and put a contingency plan in place; in case things go very, very badly.Get a new CEO, and tell him his first job will be to clean out the HP dept.
Living in Sydney might actually be an advantage if some people are guna get pissed-off.
@mohikamo said in All Blacks 2025:
@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks 2025:
Kirk is probably in the driving seat right now. Not saying he'll take decisions on his own, but he's in a position to ask the right questions (starting to already) and seems smart enough to cut thru the snake oil and ensure he and the new CEO get the right answers
Kirk knows how to operate a board room.
And he knows rugby.
It's about setting a new direction; getting rid of the corporate type complacency that had quite naturally developed after a long period of sustained success.Yeah - this current environment reminds me too much of around the late-90s period when Kevin Roberts from Saatchi and Saatchi seemed to have a big hand in how things were run and the All Blacks seemed to get treated as a money-spinning brand - rather than a rugby team - with much corporate wankery.
There are some commercial imperatives, but the top of that tree is we need to win - and win well. Suspect we need someone - hopefully Kirk - who can put the Silverlake moneymen back in their box!
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@mohikamo said in All Blacks 2025:
@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks 2025:
Kirk is probably in the driving seat right now. Not saying he'll take decisions on his own, but he's in a position to ask the right questions (starting to already) and seems smart enough to cut thru the snake oil and ensure he and the new CEO get the right answers
Kirk knows how to operate a board room.
And he knows rugby.
It's about setting a new direction; getting rid of the corporate type complacency that had quite naturally developed after a long period of sustained success.Yeah - this current environment reminds me too much of around the late-90s period when Kevin Roberts from Saatchi and Saatchi seemed to have a big hand in how things were run and the All Blacks seemed to get treated as a money-spinning brand - rather than a rugby team - with much corporate wankery.
There are some commercial imperatives, but the top of that tree is we need to win - and win well. Suspect we need someone - hopefully Kirk - who can put the Silverlake moneymen back in their box!
@Chris-B said in All Blacks 2025:
Kevin Roberts from Saatchi and Saatchi
Hands up if you remember him describing the All Blacks as not just a trademark, but a "love-mark".
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One thing has become crystal clear in the last few days to me......
Razor was a massive beneficiary of being involved in a perennially successful club environment in Canterbury and the Crusaders. His coaching bona fides were inflated because of that.
If he had coached outside of Christchurch where he had had to build something from scratch or had had no cattle or tradition to work with I can only assume that his flaws would have come to the fore earlier.
The key takeaway on this for the NZR has to the that the recruitment process for an All Black head coach has to be extensive and thorough and they should be looking for a candidate with proven success in a variety of different environments. Being wildly successful in Christchurch is obviously still an achievement but replicating that elsewhere or at least showing the ability to achieve something outside of that domain would have proven Razors qualities.
@nonpartizan said in All Blacks 2025:
If he had coached outside of Christchurch where he had had to build something from scratch or had had no cattle or tradition to work with I can only assume that his flaws would have come to the fore earlier.
According to the Robertson fluffers on here, his ability to coach success out of broken teams could be clearly seen by his huge success with the Hamner 3rds or something.
The key takeaway on this for the NZR has to the that the recruitment process for an All Black head coach has to be extensive and thorough and they should be looking for a candidate with proven success in a variety of different environments.
It's deeper that that, I think. The first question to be asked is why so many good NZ coaches are seemingly disinterested in working for NZR
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@mohikamo said in All Blacks 2025:
@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks 2025:
Kirk is probably in the driving seat right now. Not saying he'll take decisions on his own, but he's in a position to ask the right questions (starting to already) and seems smart enough to cut thru the snake oil and ensure he and the new CEO get the right answers
Kirk knows how to operate a board room.
And he knows rugby.
It's about setting a new direction; getting rid of the corporate type complacency that had quite naturally developed after a long period of sustained success.Yeah - this current environment reminds me too much of around the late-90s period when Kevin Roberts from Saatchi and Saatchi seemed to have a big hand in how things were run and the All Blacks seemed to get treated as a money-spinning brand - rather than a rugby team - with much corporate wankery.
There are some commercial imperatives, but the top of that tree is we need to win - and win well. Suspect we need someone - hopefully Kirk - who can put the Silverlake moneymen back in their box!
@Chris-B said in All Blacks 2025:
@mohikamo said in All Blacks 2025:
@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks 2025:
Kirk is probably in the driving seat right now. Not saying he'll take decisions on his own, but he's in a position to ask the right questions (starting to already) and seems smart enough to cut thru the snake oil and ensure he and the new CEO get the right answers
Kirk knows how to operate a board room.
And he knows rugby.
It's about setting a new direction; getting rid of the corporate type complacency that had quite naturally developed after a long period of sustained success.Yeah - this current environment reminds me too much of around the late-90s period when Kevin Roberts from Saatchi and Saatchi seemed to have a big hand in how things were run and the All Blacks seemed to get treated as a money-spinning brand - rather than a rugby team - with much corporate wankery.
There are some commercial imperatives, but the top of that tree is we need to win - and win well. Suspect we need someone - hopefully Kirk - who can put the Silverlake moneymen back in their box!
Kirk is super smart, and tough enough to survive in the financial world. He knows rugby but living in Sydney he's removed enough not to be another company man. I don't know how much of a hand he had in picking the board, but hopefully they will enable him to do what needs to be done
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@nonpartizan said in All Blacks 2025:
One thing has become crystal clear in the last few days to me......
Razor was a massive beneficiary of being involved in a perennially successful club environment in Canterbury and the Crusaders. His coaching bona fides were inflated because of that.
If he had coached outside of Christchurch where he had had to build something from scratch or had had no cattle or tradition to work with I can only assume that his flaws would have come to the fore earlier.
The key takeaway on this for the NZR has to the that the recruitment process for an All Black head coach has to be extensive and thorough and they should be looking for a candidate with proven success in a variety of different environments. Being wildly successful in Christchurch is obviously still an achievement but replicating that elsewhere or at least showing the ability to achieve something outside of that domain would have proven Razors qualities.
That's essentially the argument put forward about 3 years ago by those with doubts about Razor's experience, which was shouted down - by many on here - as anti-Cantab bias.
It would be fun to look back at some of the posts from 2023 - 2024 talking about how he would turn things around straight away.
@gt12 said in All Blacks 2025:
It would be fun to look back at some of the posts from 2023 - 2024 talking about how he would turn things around straight away
There was that loon who wrote long, gushing posts on how unique and wonderful Robertson was, wasn't there? Wanted Foster replaced before the knock-out stages of RWC2023 IIRC.
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Realistically they're not getting rid of Razor, so what should we be aiming for?
A clean out of assistants?
Which ones? All?
Razor actually taking over the coaching if the oil is correct that he's more a manager?
Living in Sydney might actually be an advantage if some people are guna get pissed-off.
I'll find him.
And protect him from the Cantabs.
@Nepia said in All Blacks 2025:
Realistically they're not getting rid of Razor, so what should we be aiming for?
A clean out of assistants?
Which ones? All?
Razor actually taking over the coaching if the oil is correct that he's more a manager?
Clarify Coaching Team roles would be a good start - if Robertson's the Manager, name him and treat him as such
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Robertson, Hansen and Ryan are contracted to 2027. Ellison, like Holland, only until the end of this year. No surprises who may be easier to move aside.
@Bovidae said in All Blacks 2025:
Robertson, Hansen and Ryan are contracted to 2027. Ellison, like Holland, only until the end of this year. No surprises who may be easier to move aside.
We don't need easy. We need right.
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@nonpartizan said in All Blacks 2025:
If he had coached outside of Christchurch where he had had to build something from scratch or had had no cattle or tradition to work with I can only assume that his flaws would have come to the fore earlier.
According to the Robertson fluffers on here, his ability to coach success out of broken teams could be clearly seen by his huge success with the Hamner 3rds or something.
The key takeaway on this for the NZR has to the that the recruitment process for an All Black head coach has to be extensive and thorough and they should be looking for a candidate with proven success in a variety of different environments.
It's deeper that that, I think. The first question to be asked is why so many good NZ coaches are seemingly disinterested in working for NZR
@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks 2025:
@nonpartizan said in All Blacks 2025:
If he had coached outside of Christchurch where he had had to build something from scratch or had had no cattle or tradition to work with I can only assume that his flaws would have come to the fore earlier.
According to the Robertson fluffers on here, his ability to coach success out of broken teams could be clearly seen by his huge success with the Hamner 3rds or something.
The key takeaway on this for the NZR has to the that the recruitment process for an All Black head coach has to be extensive and thorough and they should be looking for a candidate with proven success in a variety of different environments.
It's deeper that that, I think. The first question to be asked is why so many good NZ coaches are seemingly disinterested in working for NZR
@kiwi_expat used to constantly remind us of how he took the Sumner div 2 side to glory when he posted here.
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@nonpartizan said in All Blacks 2025:
If he had coached outside of Christchurch where he had had to build something from scratch or had had no cattle or tradition to work with I can only assume that his flaws would have come to the fore earlier.
According to the Robertson fluffers on here, his ability to coach success out of broken teams could be clearly seen by his huge success with the Hamner 3rds or something.
The key takeaway on this for the NZR has to the that the recruitment process for an All Black head coach has to be extensive and thorough and they should be looking for a candidate with proven success in a variety of different environments.
It's deeper that that, I think. The first question to be asked is why so many good NZ coaches are seemingly disinterested in working for NZR
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@Chris-B said in All Blacks 2025:
@mohikamo said in All Blacks 2025:
@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks 2025:
Kirk is probably in the driving seat right now. Not saying he'll take decisions on his own, but he's in a position to ask the right questions (starting to already) and seems smart enough to cut thru the snake oil and ensure he and the new CEO get the right answers
Kirk knows how to operate a board room.
And he knows rugby.
It's about setting a new direction; getting rid of the corporate type complacency that had quite naturally developed after a long period of sustained success.Yeah - this current environment reminds me too much of around the late-90s period when Kevin Roberts from Saatchi and Saatchi seemed to have a big hand in how things were run and the All Blacks seemed to get treated as a money-spinning brand - rather than a rugby team - with much corporate wankery.
There are some commercial imperatives, but the top of that tree is we need to win - and win well. Suspect we need someone - hopefully Kirk - who can put the Silverlake moneymen back in their box!
Kirk is super smart, and tough enough to survive in the financial world. He knows rugby but living in Sydney he's removed enough not to be another company man. I don't know how much of a hand he had in picking the board, but hopefully they will enable him to do what needs to be done
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@booboo said in All Blacks 2025:
@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks 2025:
Hamner
Sumner
I think he may have been a little sarcastic there.....
At least I think he was.
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@mohikamo said in All Blacks 2025:
@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks 2025:
Kirk is probably in the driving seat right now. Not saying he'll take decisions on his own, but he's in a position to ask the right questions (starting to already) and seems smart enough to cut thru the snake oil and ensure he and the new CEO get the right answers
Kirk knows how to operate a board room.
And he knows rugby.
It's about setting a new direction; getting rid of the corporate type complacency that had quite naturally developed after a long period of sustained success.Yeah - this current environment reminds me too much of around the late-90s period when Kevin Roberts from Saatchi and Saatchi seemed to have a big hand in how things were run and the All Blacks seemed to get treated as a money-spinning brand - rather than a rugby team - with much corporate wankery.
There are some commercial imperatives, but the top of that tree is we need to win - and win well. Suspect we need someone - hopefully Kirk - who can put the Silverlake moneymen back in their box!
@Chris-B said in All Blacks 2025:
There are some commercial imperatives, but the top of that tree is we need to win - and win well. Suspect we need someone - hopefully Kirk - who can put the Silverlake moneymen back in their box!
If anyone in NZR knows how to deal with the silverlake types it's him.
Being at the top of the competitive tree internationally, is a commercial imperative.
That'll guarantee NZ rugby as sport, stays financially strong.
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@booboo said in All Blacks 2025:
@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks 2025:
Hamner
Sumner
And it's Hanmer ...
