All Blacks 2025
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@Smudge said in All Blacks 2025:
Mark Robinson standing behind a wheelie bin as he presents the WR breakthrough trophy to Fabian Holland seems like an apt metaphor for his time as CEO.
Hopefully the players are about to pick the outgoing CEO and place him in that same wheelie bin. Good riddance.
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@mohikamo said in All Blacks 2025:
@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks 2025:
Kirk is probably in the driving seat right now. Not saying he'll take decisions on his own, but he's in a position to ask the right questions (starting to already) and seems smart enough to cut thru the snake oil and ensure he and the new CEO get the right answers
Kirk knows how to operate a board room.
And he knows rugby.
It's about setting a new direction; getting rid of the corporate type complacency that had quite naturally developed after a long period of sustained success.Yeah - this current environment reminds me too much of around the late-90s period when Kevin Roberts from Saatchi and Saatchi seemed to have a big hand in how things were run and the All Blacks seemed to get treated as a money-spinning brand - rather than a rugby team - with much corporate wankery.
There are some commercial imperatives, but the top of that tree is we need to win - and win well. Suspect we need someone - hopefully Kirk - who can put the Silverlake moneymen back in their box!
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@nonpartizan said in All Blacks 2025:
If he had coached outside of Christchurch where he had had to build something from scratch or had had no cattle or tradition to work with I can only assume that his flaws would have come to the fore earlier.
According to the Robertson fluffers on here, his ability to coach success out of broken teams could be clearly seen by his huge success with the Hamner 3rds or something.
The key takeaway on this for the NZR has to the that the recruitment process for an All Black head coach has to be extensive and thorough and they should be looking for a candidate with proven success in a variety of different environments.
It's deeper that that, I think. The first question to be asked is why so many good NZ coaches are seemingly disinterested in working for NZR
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@Chris-B said in All Blacks 2025:
@mohikamo said in All Blacks 2025:
@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks 2025:
Kirk is probably in the driving seat right now. Not saying he'll take decisions on his own, but he's in a position to ask the right questions (starting to already) and seems smart enough to cut thru the snake oil and ensure he and the new CEO get the right answers
Kirk knows how to operate a board room.
And he knows rugby.
It's about setting a new direction; getting rid of the corporate type complacency that had quite naturally developed after a long period of sustained success.Yeah - this current environment reminds me too much of around the late-90s period when Kevin Roberts from Saatchi and Saatchi seemed to have a big hand in how things were run and the All Blacks seemed to get treated as a money-spinning brand - rather than a rugby team - with much corporate wankery.
There are some commercial imperatives, but the top of that tree is we need to win - and win well. Suspect we need someone - hopefully Kirk - who can put the Silverlake moneymen back in their box!
Kirk is super smart, and tough enough to survive in the financial world. He knows rugby but living in Sydney he's removed enough not to be another company man. I don't know how much of a hand he had in picking the board, but hopefully they will enable him to do what needs to be done
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@gt12 said in All Blacks 2025:
It would be fun to look back at some of the posts from 2023 - 2024 talking about how he would turn things around straight away
There was that loon who wrote long, gushing posts on how unique and wonderful Robertson was, wasn't there? Wanted Foster replaced before the knock-out stages of RWC2023 IIRC.
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@Nepia said in All Blacks 2025:
Realistically they're not getting rid of Razor, so what should we be aiming for?
A clean out of assistants?
Which ones? All?
Razor actually taking over the coaching if the oil is correct that he's more a manager?
Clarify Coaching Team roles would be a good start - if Robertson's the Manager, name him and treat him as such
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@Bovidae said in All Blacks 2025:
Robertson, Hansen and Ryan are contracted to 2027. Ellison, like Holland, only until the end of this year. No surprises who may be easier to move aside.
We don't need easy. We need right.
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@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks 2025:
@nonpartizan said in All Blacks 2025:
If he had coached outside of Christchurch where he had had to build something from scratch or had had no cattle or tradition to work with I can only assume that his flaws would have come to the fore earlier.
According to the Robertson fluffers on here, his ability to coach success out of broken teams could be clearly seen by his huge success with the Hamner 3rds or something.
The key takeaway on this for the NZR has to the that the recruitment process for an All Black head coach has to be extensive and thorough and they should be looking for a candidate with proven success in a variety of different environments.
It's deeper that that, I think. The first question to be asked is why so many good NZ coaches are seemingly disinterested in working for NZR
@kiwi_expat used to constantly remind us of how he took the Sumner div 2 side to glory when he posted here.
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@booboo said in All Blacks 2025:
@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks 2025:
Hamner
Sumner
I think he may have been a little sarcastic there.....
At least I think he was.
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@Chris-B said in All Blacks 2025:
There are some commercial imperatives, but the top of that tree is we need to win - and win well. Suspect we need someone - hopefully Kirk - who can put the Silverlake moneymen back in their box!
If anyone in NZR knows how to deal with the silverlake types it's him.
Being at the top of the competitive tree internationally, is a commercial imperative.
That'll guarantee NZ rugby as sport, stays financially strong.
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@booboo said in All Blacks 2025:
@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks 2025:
Hamner
Sumner
And it's Hanmer ...
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@African-Monkey said in All Blacks 2025:
@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks 2025:
@nonpartizan said in All Blacks 2025:
If he had coached outside of Christchurch where he had had to build something from scratch or had had no cattle or tradition to work with I can only assume that his flaws would have come to the fore earlier.
According to the Robertson fluffers on here, his ability to coach success out of broken teams could be clearly seen by his huge success with the Hamner 3rds or something.
The key takeaway on this for the NZR has to the that the recruitment process for an All Black head coach has to be extensive and thorough and they should be looking for a candidate with proven success in a variety of different environments.
It's deeper that that, I think. The first question to be asked is why so many good NZ coaches are seemingly disinterested in working for NZR
@kiwi_expat used to constantly remind us of how he took the Sumner div 2 side to glory when he posted here.
That's the bloke. Disappeared after we reached the KO stages of the RWC.
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@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks 2025:
@African-Monkey said in All Blacks 2025:
@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks 2025:
@nonpartizan said in All Blacks 2025:
If he had coached outside of Christchurch where he had had to build something from scratch or had had no cattle or tradition to work with I can only assume that his flaws would have come to the fore earlier.
According to the Robertson fluffers on here, his ability to coach success out of broken teams could be clearly seen by his huge success with the Hamner 3rds or something.
The key takeaway on this for the NZR has to the that the recruitment process for an All Black head coach has to be extensive and thorough and they should be looking for a candidate with proven success in a variety of different environments.
It's deeper that that, I think. The first question to be asked is why so many good NZ coaches are seemingly disinterested in working for NZR
@kiwi_expat used to constantly remind us of how he took the Sumner div 2 side to glory when he posted here.
That's the bloke. Disappeared after we reached the KO stages of the RWC.
All his posts seemed to be a repeat of Razor's cv.
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@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks 2025:
@gt12 said in All Blacks 2025:
It would be fun to look back at some of the posts from 2023 - 2024 talking about how he would turn things around straight away
There was that loon who wrote long, gushing posts on how unique and wonderful Robertson was, wasn't there? Wanted Foster replaced before the knock-out stages of RWC2023 IIRC.
He quit in embarrassment then came back with a different account. Still thinks that every Blues player should be dropped. Real moron.
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@Tim said in All Blacks 2025:
@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks 2025:
@gt12 said in All Blacks 2025:
It would be fun to look back at some of the posts from 2023 - 2024 talking about how he would turn things around straight away
There was that loon who wrote long, gushing posts on how unique and wonderful Robertson was, wasn't there? Wanted Foster replaced before the knock-out stages of RWC2023 IIRC.
He quit in embarrassment then came back with a different account. Still thinks that every Blues player should be dropped. Real moron.
Lol think i know who it is......
