All Blacks 2025
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@Bovidae said in All Blacks 2025:
Robertson, Hansen and Ryan are contracted to 2027. Ellison, like Holland, only until the end of this year. No surprises who may be easier to move aside.
We don't need easy. We need right.
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@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks 2025:
@nonpartizan said in All Blacks 2025:
If he had coached outside of Christchurch where he had had to build something from scratch or had had no cattle or tradition to work with I can only assume that his flaws would have come to the fore earlier.
According to the Robertson fluffers on here, his ability to coach success out of broken teams could be clearly seen by his huge success with the Hamner 3rds or something.
The key takeaway on this for the NZR has to the that the recruitment process for an All Black head coach has to be extensive and thorough and they should be looking for a candidate with proven success in a variety of different environments.
It's deeper that that, I think. The first question to be asked is why so many good NZ coaches are seemingly disinterested in working for NZR
@kiwi_expat used to constantly remind us of how he took the Sumner div 2 side to glory when he posted here.
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@booboo said in All Blacks 2025:
@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks 2025:
Hamner
Sumner
I think he may have been a little sarcastic there.....
At least I think he was.
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@Chris-B said in All Blacks 2025:
There are some commercial imperatives, but the top of that tree is we need to win - and win well. Suspect we need someone - hopefully Kirk - who can put the Silverlake moneymen back in their box!
If anyone in NZR knows how to deal with the silverlake types it's him.
Being at the top of the competitive tree internationally, is a commercial imperative.
That'll guarantee NZ rugby as sport, stays financially strong.
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@booboo said in All Blacks 2025:
@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks 2025:
Hamner
Sumner
And it's Hanmer ...
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@African-Monkey said in All Blacks 2025:
@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks 2025:
@nonpartizan said in All Blacks 2025:
If he had coached outside of Christchurch where he had had to build something from scratch or had had no cattle or tradition to work with I can only assume that his flaws would have come to the fore earlier.
According to the Robertson fluffers on here, his ability to coach success out of broken teams could be clearly seen by his huge success with the Hamner 3rds or something.
The key takeaway on this for the NZR has to the that the recruitment process for an All Black head coach has to be extensive and thorough and they should be looking for a candidate with proven success in a variety of different environments.
It's deeper that that, I think. The first question to be asked is why so many good NZ coaches are seemingly disinterested in working for NZR
@kiwi_expat used to constantly remind us of how he took the Sumner div 2 side to glory when he posted here.
That's the bloke. Disappeared after we reached the KO stages of the RWC.
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@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks 2025:
@African-Monkey said in All Blacks 2025:
@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks 2025:
@nonpartizan said in All Blacks 2025:
If he had coached outside of Christchurch where he had had to build something from scratch or had had no cattle or tradition to work with I can only assume that his flaws would have come to the fore earlier.
According to the Robertson fluffers on here, his ability to coach success out of broken teams could be clearly seen by his huge success with the Hamner 3rds or something.
The key takeaway on this for the NZR has to the that the recruitment process for an All Black head coach has to be extensive and thorough and they should be looking for a candidate with proven success in a variety of different environments.
It's deeper that that, I think. The first question to be asked is why so many good NZ coaches are seemingly disinterested in working for NZR
@kiwi_expat used to constantly remind us of how he took the Sumner div 2 side to glory when he posted here.
That's the bloke. Disappeared after we reached the KO stages of the RWC.
All his posts seemed to be a repeat of Razor's cv.
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@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks 2025:
@gt12 said in All Blacks 2025:
It would be fun to look back at some of the posts from 2023 - 2024 talking about how he would turn things around straight away
There was that loon who wrote long, gushing posts on how unique and wonderful Robertson was, wasn't there? Wanted Foster replaced before the knock-out stages of RWC2023 IIRC.
He quit in embarrassment then came back with a different account. Still thinks that every Blues player should be dropped. Real moron.
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@Tim said in All Blacks 2025:
@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks 2025:
@gt12 said in All Blacks 2025:
It would be fun to look back at some of the posts from 2023 - 2024 talking about how he would turn things around straight away
There was that loon who wrote long, gushing posts on how unique and wonderful Robertson was, wasn't there? Wanted Foster replaced before the knock-out stages of RWC2023 IIRC.
He quit in embarrassment then came back with a different account. Still thinks that every Blues player should be dropped. Real moron.
Lol think i know who it is......
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@African-Monkey It's also possible that there have been a couple of very similar posters who have both used multiple accounts.
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@Tim said in All Blacks 2025:
@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks 2025:
@gt12 said in All Blacks 2025:
It would be fun to look back at some of the posts from 2023 - 2024 talking about how he would turn things around straight away
There was that loon who wrote long, gushing posts on how unique and wonderful Robertson was, wasn't there? Wanted Foster replaced before the knock-out stages of RWC2023 IIRC.
He quit in embarrassment then came back with a different account. Still thinks that every Blues player should be dropped. Real moron.
I've just read some of the hilarious, obsequious stuff he wrote..... Was he on Robertson's PR team?
Amazing that NZR bought into this BS.
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@African-Monkey said in All Blacks 2025:
@Tim said in All Blacks 2025:
@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks 2025:
@gt12 said in All Blacks 2025:
It would be fun to look back at some of the posts from 2023 - 2024 talking about how he would turn things around straight away
There was that loon who wrote long, gushing posts on how unique and wonderful Robertson was, wasn't there? Wanted Foster replaced before the knock-out stages of RWC2023 IIRC.
He quit in embarrassment then came back with a different account. Still thinks that every Blues player should be dropped. Real moron.
Lol think i know who it is......
Well, not being the slightest bit parochial on NZ teams, I don't have a clue....
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@mohikamo said in All Blacks 2025:
@Chris-B said in All Blacks 2025:
There are some commercial imperatives, but the top of that tree is we need to win - and win well. Suspect we need someone - hopefully Kirk - who can put the Silverlake moneymen back in their box!
If anyone in NZR knows how to deal with the silverlake types it's him.
Being at the top of the competitive tree internationally, is a commercial imperative.
That'll guarantee NZ rugby as sport, stays financially strong.
That aspect is more important to me than the nationist thing.He seems to have an almost identical CV to Wilson Whineray - which gives me hope.
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@nonpartizan said in All Blacks 2025:
One thing has become crystal clear in the last few days to me......
Razor was a massive beneficiary of being involved in a perennially successful club environment in Canterbury and the Crusaders. His coaching bona fides were inflated because of that.
If he had coached outside of Christchurch where he had had to build something from scratch or had had no cattle or tradition to work with I can only assume that his flaws would have come to the fore earlier.
The key takeaway on this for the NZR has to the that the recruitment process for an All Black head coach has to be extensive and thorough and they should be looking for a candidate with proven success in a variety of different environments. Being wildly successful in Christchurch is obviously still an achievement but replicating that elsewhere or at least showing the ability to achieve something outside of that domain would have proven Razors qualities.
Warren Gatland, then?
This is a stick that gets poked at Razor, but I'm not convinced that it fully stands up to scrutiny.
Now, there's no doubt that lots of alternative experiences are beneficial to an extent, but I'm far from convinced that coaching some international bunny team is the be all and end all for selecting an All Black coach - and sadly, for Warren, he's my exhibit A.
You couldn't get a more hyper-experienced coach than Warren - and yet, he came back to the Chiefs (presumably with an eye on the AB's position) and lost 0-8 in Super Rugby Aotearoa. How could this happen?
Exhibit B is going to be Stern Vern. Loads of international experience, had the Super rugby champions stacked with All Blacks and (as I'm led to believe
) a bunch of others who should be but for Razor's bias. They lost 9 games this year and lucky to sneak into the play-offs. Where they got beaten by Rob Penney's Crusaders (another experienced international coach who couldn't arrest a disaster last year).Then we've got Jamie Joseph. And John Kirwan. Eddie Jones.
I think it's far from conclusive.
I have some other somewhat harsh thoughts to post on Razor's season subsequently, so those who want to rush to label me an apologist can go fuck themselves.
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@Chris-B said in All Blacks 2025:
@nonpartizan said in All Blacks 2025:
One thing has become crystal clear in the last few days to me......
Razor was a massive beneficiary of being involved in a perennially successful club environment in Canterbury and the Crusaders. His coaching bona fides were inflated because of that.
If he had coached outside of Christchurch where he had had to build something from scratch or had had no cattle or tradition to work with I can only assume that his flaws would have come to the fore earlier.
The key takeaway on this for the NZR has to the that the recruitment process for an All Black head coach has to be extensive and thorough and they should be looking for a candidate with proven success in a variety of different environments. Being wildly successful in Christchurch is obviously still an achievement but replicating that elsewhere or at least showing the ability to achieve something outside of that domain would have proven Razors qualities.
Warren Gatland, then?
This is a stick that gets poked at Razor, but I'm not convinced that it fully stands up to scrutiny.
Now, there's no doubt that lots of alternative experiences are beneficial to an extent, but I'm far from convinced that coaching some international bunny team is the be all and end all for selecting an All Black coach - and sadly, for Warren, he's my exhibit A.
You couldn't get a more hyper-experienced coach than Warren - and yet, he came back to the Chiefs (presumably with an eye on the AB's position) and lost 0-8 in Super Rugby Aotearoa. How could this happen?
Exhibit B is going to be Stern Vern. Loads of international experience, had the Super rugby champions stacked with All Blacks and (as I'm led to believe
) a bunch of others who should be but for Razor's bias. They lost 9 games this year and lucky to sneak into the play-offs. Where they got beaten by Rob Penney's Crusaders (another experienced international coach who couldn't arrest a disaster last year).Then we've got Jamie Joseph. And John Kirwan. Eddie Jones.
I think it's far from conclusive.
I have some other somewhat harsh thoughts to post on Razor's season subsequently, so those who want to rush to label me an apologist can go fuck themselves.
Let's have it then!
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@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks 2025:
@mohikamo said in All Blacks 2025:
@Chris-B said in All Blacks 2025:
There are some commercial imperatives, but the top of that tree is we need to win - and win well. Suspect we need someone - hopefully Kirk - who can put the Silverlake moneymen back in their box!
If anyone in NZR knows how to deal with the silverlake types it's him.
Being at the top of the competitive tree internationally, is a commercial imperative.
That'll guarantee NZ rugby as sport, stays financially strong.
That aspect is more important to me than the nationist thing.He seems to have an almost identical CV to Wilson Whineray - which gives me hope.
Whineray never won a World Cup.
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@booboo said in All Blacks 2025:
@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks 2025:
@mohikamo said in All Blacks 2025:
@Chris-B said in All Blacks 2025:
There are some commercial imperatives, but the top of that tree is we need to win - and win well. Suspect we need someone - hopefully Kirk - who can put the Silverlake moneymen back in their box!
If anyone in NZR knows how to deal with the silverlake types it's him.
Being at the top of the competitive tree internationally, is a commercial imperative.
That'll guarantee NZ rugby as sport, stays financially strong.
That aspect is more important to me than the nationist thing.He seems to have an almost identical CV to Wilson Whineray - which gives me hope.
Whineray never won a World Cup.
"almost"
