Rugby World Cup 2027 Draw - LIVE
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Ignoring NZ for a moment - they have absolutely shafted the pool stages. It's clear who will be the top 2 in each pool with possible exceptions for Italy/Georgia and Japan/Samoa.
Some of the best matches in history happened in the pool stages and actually provided some jeopardy with big teams not making out of the pool. England in 2015 (knocked out by Wales), Scotland in 2019 (knocked out by Japan) and Aussie in 23 (knocked out by Fiji/Wales). Now it's just a parade and in some cases beneficial if you lose your game against the other big team in your pool.
Plus the permutations of round of 16 and 1/4s path is way too confusing. Should be able to summarised in 2 sentences.
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@Bones said in Rugby World Cup 2027 Draw - LIVE:
Don't really get the whinging, chances are we still have to beat SA in the final anyway if we end up on the other side, plus beat a team equal to or not far off France (who aren't exactly our bogey team at WCs).
Just fucking get on with it and earn it.
Im with Bonesy here.
With Will Jordan at 15 we are bang in the mix.
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@JA said in Rugby World Cup 2027 Draw - LIVE:
Ignoring NZ for a moment - they have absolutely shafted the pool stages. It's clear who will be the top 2 in each pool with possible exceptions for Italy/Georgia and Japan/Samoa.
Some of the best matches in history happened in the pool stages and actually provided some jeopardy with big teams not making out of the pool. England in 2015 (knocked out by Wales), Scotland in 2019 (knocked out by Japan) and Aussie in 23 (knocked out by Fiji/Wales). Now it's just a parade and in some cases beneficial if you lose your game against the other big team in your pool.
Plus the permutations of round of 16 and 1/4s path is way too confusing. Should be able to summarised in 2 sentences.
To me it looks more of a non event than ever.
Plenty of games are going to resemble Wales v SA at the weekend.
Richie Mo'unga is basically coming back to run the cutter for 3 matches.
Quarters, Semi and Final.
Everything between now and then is just foreplay.
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I don't care about it from a rugby point of view, if we win all our games we win. But like @Tim notes having the two best teams meet in the quarter final is just dogshit organising.
I would say that WR were the worst at organising WC formats, except league exists and next years RLWC is a clusterfuck.
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two best teams NOW.
The whinging from all concerned around the RWC draws has always been based around movement in rankings in the years between draw and tournament. If we slide, or SA slide, and suddenly England are 1 or 2 and up the other side of the draw no one will care. France don't even give a shit about their ranking.
Winning world cups has always had a huge element of luck involved anyway, so this is just different luck. I have never viewed the World Cup winners as being the best team in the world (it's just that usually the best team in the world wins it).
There just aren't enough good teams in rugby to create real jeopardy. And there never will be
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@mariner4life So do the draw in 12 months time. The reality is that the organisation is shit. The tournament structure is shit, and there will be no point watching until the quarter finals. It's a low quality product that will probably be marred by cards and pointless TMO interventions. That's reality.
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look, i have never understood why it has to be done this early, the FIFA world cup draw, which involves a far larger number of people, hasn't even been done yet for a tournament that starts in July.
If it was me, i would do away with the bands all together and just have open slather. Imagine SA, NZ and France all in one pool? Italy making the final having beaten nobody ranked higher than 12th? Great fun.
But we should all remember, these are revenue raising exercises disguised as sporting tournaments
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@mariner4life said in Rugby World Cup 2027 Draw - LIVE:
But we should all remember, these are revenue raising exercises disguised as sporting tournaments
Which is precisely why they should focus on quality. Should be 16 teams at most, with a proper seeding structure assessed as late as possible.
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cutting down your world wide broadcasting money there Tim.
Every team barring the winner and the hosts should have to qualify as well. Get the top teams to stop playing each other every fucking year, and get them out to the minnows.
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@mariner4life said in Rugby World Cup 2027 Draw - LIVE:
world wide broadcasting money
Japan would still make it. Probably USA and Canada. What markets are you worried about? Uruguay, Hong Kong, Namibia, Spain? About $10k revenue?
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@Tim said in Rugby World Cup 2027 Draw - LIVE:
@mariner4life said in Rugby World Cup 2027 Draw - LIVE:
world wide broadcasting money
Japan would still make it. Probably USA and Canada. What markets are you worried about? Uruguay, Hong Kong, Namibia, Spain? About $10k revenue?
If you're going to have the extra teams, have a plate competition. Adjust the prize money based on how far teams get in the plate too
This was the prize money last time around
Pool stage £250,000
Quarterfinals £600,000
Semifinals £1.2m
Runners-up £2.5m
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Draw was rigged. You can't honestly believe that the country names pasted on a ping pong ball were unidentifiable from each other.
nevermind that the bucket was wide open while he was standing there for 5+ minutes.
Add to the fact that he is not exactly independent given his position.
Huge joke from the desperate NH sods that run WR.
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@Tim said in Rugby World Cup 2027 Draw - LIVE:
@mariner4life said in Rugby World Cup 2027 Draw - LIVE:
world wide broadcasting money
Japan would still make it. Probably USA and Canada. What markets are you worried about? Uruguay, Hong Kong, Namibia, Spain? About $10k revenue?
USA wouldn't make it. They are the reason we expanded to 24 teams, so they can scrape in to the one they are hosting in 2031.
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@barbarian said in Rugby World Cup 2027 Draw - LIVE:
@Tim said in Rugby World Cup 2027 Draw - LIVE:
@mariner4life said in Rugby World Cup 2027 Draw - LIVE:
world wide broadcasting money
Japan would still make it. Probably USA and Canada. What markets are you worried about? Uruguay, Hong Kong, Namibia, Spain? About $10k revenue?
USA wouldn't make it. They are the reason we expanded to 24 teams, so they can scrape in to the one they are hosting in 2031.
Isn't it easier just to give hosts automatic entry?
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@Bones said in Rugby World Cup 2027 Draw - LIVE:
Don't really get the whinging, chances are we still have to beat SA in the final anyway
The issue here is the cumulative effect.
Do I think we can beat the saffas in the quarters, sure.
But the saffas, then France, then England, in 15 days . . . that's a smasha-a-thon.Even the saffas cant be thrilled about the prospect.
Definitely could have lucked an easier way.
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Haha
I had a close look at the draw a few weeks ago.
And saw that a SA v NZ quarter was a very real possibility. Pools CD would have done it too.
And I started thinking . . . I hope that doesn't happen.
But it did.
I jinxed it!I mentioned it somewhere at the time . . . that this was a random draw . . . not like a tennis draw.
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@mohikamo which makes the draw look even more like it has been designed to give one of England/Ireland the best shot of making it to the semi/final and possibly win.
Rankings are bragging rights, but WR give the impression they are used when doing the draw, which is the ridiculous part.
There are not enough competitive teams in the game for them to put us in 'bands' and do the draw as it is.
The fact that one of SA or NZ will likely be gone at 1/4 final time, and possibly the other at semi-final time, does provide ammo for anyone who sees WR in the NH as doing thier best to stuff SH rugby.
But hey, if we manage to get past SA, France and then England (cos Ireland lose thier 1/4 haha) then Razors depth goal of 4 players in each position will have come to fruition!
