All Blacks 2026
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@Dan54 said in All Blacks 2026:
Gee I just had a look at coaching history of JJ, and all the talk he only good with Tony Brown? Best figures were MABs in about 2012 where he has 83% winning record, no Tony Brown , and last year's ABXV .
They kind of make a fallacy of him needing Brown to coach.
And sorry Tim, just saw your post mate, and these figure aren't 20 years out of date,
Got 7 years to spre.i think my feeling is the ABXV is a good test of bring a international squad together and running a wee tour.....but the quality of opposition isn't the same as the top job and so having someone like TB would be the little bit extra needed
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@Kiwiwomble said in All Blacks 2026:
@Dan54 said in All Blacks 2026:
Gee I just had a look at coaching history of JJ, and all the talk he only good with Tony Brown? Best figures were MABs in about 2012 where he has 83% winning record, no Tony Brown , and last year's ABXV .
They kind of make a fallacy of him needing Brown to coach.
And sorry Tim, just saw your post mate, and these figure aren't 20 years out of date,
Got 7 years to spre.i think my feeling is the ABXV is a good test of bring a international squad together and running a wee tour.....but the quality of opposition isn't the same as the top job and so having someone like TB would be the little bit extra needed
I think doing good domestically and with the ABXV can get you to an assistant role, but even then it would be better to have something outside NZ, such as a bit of time with an overseas club or with another international team. Ryan's path looks like a very good one for a specialist (e.g., forward) coach.
For head coaches, I'll admit it is tricky, but I believe that there is a huge difference between season-long rugby and International, especially in a age of WC preparation. I personally wouldn't choose Joseph without Brown, but he has taken a group through a WC cycle.
If it were me, I'd be chasing Rennie with Schmidt as DOR.
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@gt12 said in All Blacks 2026:
@Kiwiwomble said in All Blacks 2026:
@Dan54 said in All Blacks 2026:
Gee I just had a look at coaching history of JJ, and all the talk he only good with Tony Brown? Best figures were MABs in about 2012 where he has 83% winning record, no Tony Brown , and last year's ABXV .
They kind of make a fallacy of him needing Brown to coach.
And sorry Tim, just saw your post mate, and these figure aren't 20 years out of date,
Got 7 years to spre.i think my feeling is the ABXV is a good test of bring a international squad together and running a wee tour.....but the quality of opposition isn't the same as the top job and so having someone like TB would be the little bit extra needed
I think doing good domestically and with the ABXV can get you to an assistant role, but even then it would be better to have something outside NZ, such as a bit of time with an overseas club or with another international team. Ryan's path looks like a very good one for a specialist (e.g., forward) coach.
For head coaches, I'll admit it is tricky, but I believe that there is a huge difference between season-long rugby and International, especially in a age of WC preparation. I personally wouldn't choose Joseph without Brown, but he has taken a group through a WC cycle.
If it were me, I'd be chasing Rennie with Schmidt as DOR.
Wasn't Dave GHs Pick for head coach when the NZRU chose Razor? I assume he's old than JJ? Including them both, with JJ as assistant would be good, add TB in 2 years, with the idea that down the track JJ and TB take over
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I remember watching an interview on Stan with Schmidt, He said in the interview he was contracted as Australian coach through to the end of July 2026.
But would stay involved as would Mike Cron as they were employed as consultants through to the WC.
They would take these roles Remotely based in NZ I took it as.
Joe seems a loyal sort of dude I wonder if he would break that contract for an AB or High Performance role. -
@gt12 said in All Blacks 2026:
@Kiwiwomble said in All Blacks 2026:
@Dan54 said in All Blacks 2026:
Gee I just had a look at coaching history of JJ, and all the talk he only good with Tony Brown? Best figures were MABs in about 2012 where he has 83% winning record, no Tony Brown , and last year's ABXV .
They kind of make a fallacy of him needing Brown to coach.
And sorry Tim, just saw your post mate, and these figure aren't 20 years out of date,
Got 7 years to spre.i think my feeling is the ABXV is a good test of bring a international squad together and running a wee tour.....but the quality of opposition isn't the same as the top job and so having someone like TB would be the little bit extra needed
I think doing good domestically and with the ABXV can get you to an assistant role, but even then it would be better to have something outside NZ, such as a bit of time with an overseas club or with another international team. Ryan's path looks like a very good one for a specialist (e.g., forward) coach.
For head coaches, I'll admit it is tricky, but I believe that there is a huge difference between season-long rugby and International, especially in a age of WC preparation. I personally wouldn't choose Joseph without Brown, but he has taken a group through a WC cycle.
If it were me, I'd be chasing Rennie with Schmidt as DOR.
And assistants? Leon McDonald and Jason Ryan have been referenced her as likely to be involved, how about a non NZ/SH AC to add to the mix? And if so, would Ronan O'Gara be a suitable option?
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@Chris said in All Blacks 2026:
I remember watching an interview on Stan with Schmidt, He said in the interview he was contracted as Australian coach through to the end of July 2026.
But would stay involved as would Mike Cron as they were employed as consultants through to the WC.
Joe seems a loyal sort of dude I wonder if he would break that contract for an AB or High Performance role.Yep, everything I have heard (or read) from Schmidt, he is stepping back from too much involvement anyway. Much as I like him , think we whistling up tree there.
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@Dan54 said in All Blacks 2026:
@Chris said in All Blacks 2026:
I remember watching an interview on Stan with Schmidt, He said in the interview he was contracted as Australian coach through to the end of July 2026.
But would stay involved as would Mike Cron as they were employed as consultants through to the WC.
Joe seems a loyal sort of dude I wonder if he would break that contract for an AB or High Performance role.Yep, everything I have heard (or read) from Schmidt, he is stepping back from too much involvement anyway. Much as I like him , think we whistling up tree there.
Maybe he would be keen on a High performance behind the scenes type of role ?.
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@gt12 you mean like 7 years with japan/sunwolves plus TB's time with Japan and in SA?
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@allblackfan2 said in All Blacks 2026:
would Ronan O'Gara be a suitable option?
Ronan O’Gara’s future at La Rochelle has come under renewed scrutiny after the two-time champions were dumped out of the Investec Champions Cup by Harlequins and sent tumbling into the Challenge Cup. The 27-17 defeat at Stade Marcel Deflandre on Sunday night not only ended La Rochelle’s European campaign at the pool stage, it sharpened the focus on a side that has struggled to recapture its authority over the last two seasons. French website RugbyRama described the result as a ‘huge failure’.Eyes will now be very much on O’Gara, who is understood to have had recent discussions with the club management about his future on the west coast of France, despite his contract not running out until 2027The 48-year-old, who guided the club to back-to-back Champions Cup titles in 2022 and 2023, has recently been linked with the vacant All Blacks head coach role. On current evidence, that talk looks ambitious.No. He's struggling at club level and he's hyped up by the same people who were proven 100% incorrect abut Robertson.
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@gt12 said in All Blacks 2026:
@Kiwiwomble said in All Blacks 2026:
@Dan54 said in All Blacks 2026:
Gee I just had a look at coaching history of JJ, and all the talk he only good with Tony Brown? Best figures were MABs in about 2012 where he has 83% winning record, no Tony Brown , and last year's ABXV .
They kind of make a fallacy of him needing Brown to coach.
And sorry Tim, just saw your post mate, and these figure aren't 20 years out of date,
Got 7 years to spre.i think my feeling is the ABXV is a good test of bring a international squad together and running a wee tour.....but the quality of opposition isn't the same as the top job and so having someone like TB would be the little bit extra needed
I think doing good domestically and with the ABXV can get you to an assistant role, but even then it would be better to have something outside NZ, such as a bit of time with an overseas club or with another international team. Ryan's path looks like a very good one for a specialist (e.g., forward) coach.
For head coaches, I'll admit it is tricky, but I believe that there is a huge difference between season-long rugby and International, especially in a age of WC preparation. I personally wouldn't choose Joseph without Brown, but he has taken a group through a WC cycle.
If it were me, I'd be chasing Rennie with Schmidt as DOR.
Not really arguing strongly for or against anyone mate, just I believe JJ is a more than competent coach with or without Brown. I just pointed out both MABs and ABXV to show that I genuinely believe that Brown isn't or (in my opinion) the ace in sleeve anyone should need. I a Rennie fan too, but once again a critic could ask what international success he has had, and his Super coaching success was only when he had Wayne Smith as his assistant, once Smith went Chiefs didn't win. But once again I happy with either as coach.
Just pointing out we should take coaches on their own ability etc. -
are we putting much weight on their win loss ratio against the Boks?
https://www.thepress.co.nz/sport/360933688/dave-rennie-contract-june-and-potentially-open-all-blacks-job-nz-rugby-finetunes-appointment-processInteresting but could be dangerous criterion.
Still seems to me to be a battle between Joseph and Rennie.
DoR/Mentor roles for Smith or Schmidt if they want them (but probably don't).edit: thanks Tim for moving this to right thread. My bad.
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@Dan54 said in All Blacks 2026:
@gt12 said in All Blacks 2026:
@Kiwiwomble said in All Blacks 2026:
@Dan54 said in All Blacks 2026:
Gee I just had a look at coaching history of JJ, and all the talk he only good with Tony Brown? Best figures were MABs in about 2012 where he has 83% winning record, no Tony Brown , and last year's ABXV .
They kind of make a fallacy of him needing Brown to coach.
And sorry Tim, just saw your post mate, and these figure aren't 20 years out of date,
Got 7 years to spre.i think my feeling is the ABXV is a good test of bring a international squad together and running a wee tour.....but the quality of opposition isn't the same as the top job and so having someone like TB would be the little bit extra needed
I think doing good domestically and with the ABXV can get you to an assistant role, but even then it would be better to have something outside NZ, such as a bit of time with an overseas club or with another international team. Ryan's path looks like a very good one for a specialist (e.g., forward) coach.
For head coaches, I'll admit it is tricky, but I believe that there is a huge difference between season-long rugby and International, especially in a age of WC preparation. I personally wouldn't choose Joseph without Brown, but he has taken a group through a WC cycle.
If it were me, I'd be chasing Rennie with Schmidt as DOR.
Not really arguing strongly for or against anyone mate, just I believe JJ is a more than competent coach with or without Brown. I just pointed out both MABs and ABXV to show that I genuinely believe that Brown isn't or (in my opinion) the ace in sleeve anyone should need. I a Rennie fan too, but once again a critic could ask what international success he has had, and his Super coaching success was only when he had Wayne Smith as his assistant, once Smith went Chiefs didn't win. But once again I happy with either as coach.
Just pointing out we should take coaches on their own ability etc.Rennie has had success with multiple different teams & variety of assistants - Joseph hasn't, only with Brown has he looked good - for example taking 6th place Quarter Finalists under Dermody in 2024 to dead last in 2025 without Brown.
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@Kiwiwomble said in All Blacks 2026:
@gt12 you mean like 7 years with japan/sunwolves plus TB's time with Japan and in SA?
I don't understand the question
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@reprobate said in All Blacks 2026:
@MN5 said in All Blacks 2026:
@sparky said in All Blacks 2026:
@Kiwidom said in All Blacks 2026:
John " we are all on a journey". Mitchell ? No thanks
Wouldn't mind a Schmidt/ Rennie duo as coaches for now
Joseph and Brown to then takeover from 2028I hate him forever for ending Christian Cullen's All Blacks career.
But his best work with the ABs was excellent (record away wins in South Africa and Australia) and he's coached the England women to long undefeated run.
That Cullen debacle was such a stain on an otherwise good coaching stint. It's not his fault they disallowed Mils's try.
Plus he was a weird guy who was tough to relate to.
He has given us Daryl Mitchell though !
Comfortably his best contribution to NZ sport.
Daryl said he didn't talk to his dad for a week when he dropped Cullen. He's definitely the better Mitchell.
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@Dan54 said in All Blacks 2026:
@gt12 said in All Blacks 2026:
@Kiwiwomble said in All Blacks 2026:
@Dan54 said in All Blacks 2026:
Gee I just had a look at coaching history of JJ, and all the talk he only good with Tony Brown? Best figures were MABs in about 2012 where he has 83% winning record, no Tony Brown , and last year's ABXV .
They kind of make a fallacy of him needing Brown to coach.
And sorry Tim, just saw your post mate, and these figure aren't 20 years out of date,
Got 7 years to spre.i think my feeling is the ABXV is a good test of bring a international squad together and running a wee tour.....but the quality of opposition isn't the same as the top job and so having someone like TB would be the little bit extra needed
I think doing good domestically and with the ABXV can get you to an assistant role, but even then it would be better to have something outside NZ, such as a bit of time with an overseas club or with another international team. Ryan's path looks like a very good one for a specialist (e.g., forward) coach.
For head coaches, I'll admit it is tricky, but I believe that there is a huge difference between season-long rugby and International, especially in a age of WC preparation. I personally wouldn't choose Joseph without Brown, but he has taken a group through a WC cycle.
If it were me, I'd be chasing Rennie with Schmidt as DOR.
Not really arguing strongly for or against anyone mate, just I believe JJ is a more than competent coach with or without Brown. I just pointed out both MABs and ABXV to show that I genuinely believe that Brown isn't or (in my opinion) the ace in sleeve anyone should need. I a Rennie fan too, but once again a critic could ask what international success he has had, and his Super coaching success was only when he had Wayne Smith as his assistant, once Smith went Chiefs didn't win. But once again I happy with either as coach.
Just pointing out we should take coaches on their own ability etc.I think JJ is the choice they'll make, and he has plenty of international experience, which is the point I made. He does know what is involved with international footy and has taken a team through a WC cycle, so he certainly meets the criteria I would say is essential.
I just think Rennie would be a better choice, although he was cut off before getting to a WC, he was really doing well with a young Australian team and had them set up to be a force over a longer period. Oz didn't have any patience and gambled with Jones, which I believe was a mistake.
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@gt12 said in All Blacks 2026:
@Kiwiwomble said in All Blacks 2026:
@gt12 you mean like 7 years with japan/sunwolves plus TB's time with Japan and in SA?
I don't understand the question
I said i thought TB added a bit more to JJ's capabilities, where JJ's time with the ABXV was good, the top job would be more challenging and TB would but an asset and you replied
I think doing good domestically and with the ABXV can get you to an assistant role, but even then it would be better to have something outside NZ, such as a bit of time with an overseas club or with another international team.
and so i was just saying both of them have experience in Japan plus TB's time in SA
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@allblackfan2 said in All Blacks 2026:
@gt12 said in All Blacks 2026:
@Kiwiwomble said in All Blacks 2026:
@Dan54 said in All Blacks 2026:
Gee I just had a look at coaching history of JJ, and all the talk he only good with Tony Brown? Best figures were MABs in about 2012 where he has 83% winning record, no Tony Brown , and last year's ABXV .
They kind of make a fallacy of him needing Brown to coach.
And sorry Tim, just saw your post mate, and these figure aren't 20 years out of date,
Got 7 years to spre.i think my feeling is the ABXV is a good test of bring a international squad together and running a wee tour.....but the quality of opposition isn't the same as the top job and so having someone like TB would be the little bit extra needed
I think doing good domestically and with the ABXV can get you to an assistant role, but even then it would be better to have something outside NZ, such as a bit of time with an overseas club or with another international team. Ryan's path looks like a very good one for a specialist (e.g., forward) coach.
For head coaches, I'll admit it is tricky, but I believe that there is a huge difference between season-long rugby and International, especially in a age of WC preparation. I personally wouldn't choose Joseph without Brown, but he has taken a group through a WC cycle.
If it were me, I'd be chasing Rennie with Schmidt as DOR.
And assistants? Leon McDonald and Jason Ryan have been referenced her as likely to be involved, how about a non NZ/SH AC to add to the mix? And if so, would Ronan O'Gara be a suitable option?
That would be up to Rennie, but I'd be very happy with Cotter for the forwards if they could snag him, or keep Ryan.
I'm not convinced about Panadol at all, but would be happy to be proven wrong.
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@Kiwiwomble said in All Blacks 2026:
@gt12 I said i thought TB added a bit more to JJ's capabilities, where JJ's time with the ABXV was good, the top job would be more challenging and TB would but an asset and you replied
I think doing good domestically and with the ABXV can get you to an assistant role, but even then it would be better to have something outside NZ, such as a bit of time with an overseas club or with another international team.
and so i was just saying both of them have experience in Japan plus TB's time in SA
I still don't get it
Edit: I see you've edited your post.
you made a point about being the ABXV coach, which is what I replied to, as that doesn't only account for Joseph, but also McMillan for example. So, I'm replying to the specific point about time with the ABXV, not about JJ's qualifications.
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@gt12 i'll try one more time and then maybe we just move on
you said performing well with the ABXV might be good enough to get an assitant role but would be good to have international experience....and i was just pointing out JJ and TB already have that
