All Blacks 2026
-
@antipodean said in All Blacks 2026:
@Chris-B said in All Blacks 2026:
@antipodean said in All Blacks 2026:
@Chris-B I'd wager the process is immeasurably improved by not having Mark Robinson involved.
Quite likely.
Did he oversee the process where Fozzie got appointed and everyone had to apply with teams?
As I've pointed out many times before - that was the stupidest of fucking ideas!
Counterpoint: Doing so for Fozzie may have resulted in NZR knowing that they would be lumped with two assistant coaches they would later have to replace...
That seems like my point - unless you're saying they already knew it?
They went back to the Ted, Hansen, Smithy vs Robbie scenario and thought wouldn't it be a great idea to employ teams vs individuals.
It was stupid and proven so.
-
@Chris-B said in All Blacks 2026:
@antipodean said in All Blacks 2026:
@Chris-B said in All Blacks 2026:
@antipodean said in All Blacks 2026:
@Chris-B I'd wager the process is immeasurably improved by not having Mark Robinson involved.
Quite likely.
Did he oversee the process where Fozzie got appointed and everyone had to apply with teams?
As I've pointed out many times before - that was the stupidest of fucking ideas!
Counterpoint: Doing so for Fozzie may have resulted in NZR knowing that they would be lumped with two assistant coaches they would later have to replace...
That seems like my point - unless you're saying they already knew it?
If your point is that forcing them to announce their teams would let NZR know beforehand that they'd have a team of Plumtree and Mooar...
-
@antipodean Yeah - everyone had to form their teams beforehand.
The best that Fozzie could cobble together was Him, Plumtree and Mooar (with a buyout clause).
Everyone seemed to want Tony Brown, but Tony eventually said - I'm not a whore, I'm on Jamie's team or no-one's.
Can't recall who Razor had, but it was probably Ryan and maybe Hansen.
So we ended up with a very sub-optimal outcome, which should have been predictable, but wasn't.
At least - that's the point I'm making and, as far as I know, was an original point when I first made it!
-
@Chris-B i thought Razor wantes Brown on his team too...but yeah the process seems flawed, name the HC then build thier team.
-
Everyone seemed to want Tony Brown, but Tony eventually said - I'm not a whore, I'm on Jamie's team or no-one's.
I'm pretty sure both Fozzie and Razor wanted Tony - and due to the process and other subsequent vagaries, he's coaching our enemies!
-
-
@antipodean said in All Blacks 2026:
@booboo said in All Blacks 2026:
@Tim said in All Blacks 2026:
@booboo said in All Blacks 2026:
But am interested in his comment at 10:50 about crisis meeting "late last year".
Any details?
He just says people at the highest levels... then everyone denied it, including peeps supposedly there.
That video appeared to be some ignorant American just making shit up for content.
I believe he's South African with a weird accent.
-
Vern Cotter has coached previously at the top level with both Schmidt (Clermont) and Ryan (Fiji).
I'd much prefer this group over Joseph if Brown isn't available.
Cotter leading the forwards, Ryan to concentrate on scrum, Jane to coach defence, Schmidt to coach attack.
-
@restofit said in All Blacks 2026:
Vern Cotter has coached previously at the top level with both Schmidt (Clermont) and Ryan (Fiji).
I'd much prefer this group over Joseph if Brown isn't available.
Cotter leading the forwards, Ryan to concentrate on scrum, Jane to coach defence, Schmidt to coach attack.
Who's the head coach?
-
I sense Cotter would be make shift through to the World Cup only if they did appoint him. Not saying that’s a bad thing either
-
Somehow they have to try to sell JJ on the idea of being an assistant with an eye to the future. If razor had agreed to the idea of joining the team as an assistant years ago rather than insist on going straight to the top job, maybe he'd still be head coach now
-
@canefan said in All Blacks 2026:
Somehow they have to try to sell JJ on the idea of being an assistant with an eye to the future. If razor had agreed to the idea of joining the team as an assistant years ago rather than insist on going straight to the top job, maybe he'd still be head coach now
well Scott Hansen is still being paid so you may have a point...
-
@nostrildamus said in All Blacks 2026:
@canefan said in All Blacks 2026:
Somehow they have to try to sell JJ on the idea of being an assistant with an eye to the future. If razor had agreed to the idea of joining the team as an assistant years ago rather than insist on going straight to the top job, maybe he'd still be head coach now
well Scott Hansen is still being paid so you may have a point...
Not for long. Despite his history with some of the HC prospects, he is toxic to the players themselves and must go
-
-
@pukunui said in All Blacks 2026:
Imagine if they retain Hansen under the new coaches.! The meltdown on here will be epic. I doubt TSF will have ever been so united in outrage. Maybe only after the 2007 QF Wayne Barnes debacle.
Was the fern around on 2007?
-
@jimmyb said in All Blacks 2026:
@pukunui said in All Blacks 2026:
Imagine if they retain Hansen under the new coaches.! The meltdown on here will be epic. I doubt TSF will have ever been so united in outrage. Maybe only after the 2007 QF Wayne Barnes debacle.
Was the fern around on 2007?
-
@jimmyb said in All Blacks 2026:
@pukunui said in All Blacks 2026:
Imagine if they retain Hansen under the new coaches.! The meltdown on here will be epic. I doubt TSF will have ever been so united in outrage. Maybe only after the 2007 QF Wayne Barnes debacle.
Was the fern around on 2007?
Sure was.
-
@pukunui said in All Blacks 2026:
Imagine if they retain Hansen under the new coaches.! The meltdown on here will be epic. I doubt TSF will have ever been so united in outrage. Maybe only after the 2007 QF Wayne Barnes debacle.
That's what lured me here and I never left. The 2017 Lions deal was another big one.
The ABs 2026 thread and all the chatter leading up to Razor's firing would be right up there with the best Ferning ever.
All this looking back reminds of my moniker back then, and how relevant it is to the Razor era and what's to come. Razor seemed obsessed with playing a certain style, but the new coach should remember that winning ugly is still winning
-
@jimmyb said in All Blacks 2026:
@pukunui said in All Blacks 2026:
Imagine if they retain Hansen under the new coaches.! The meltdown on here will be epic. I doubt TSF will have ever been so united in outrage. Maybe only after the 2007 QF Wayne Barnes debacle.
Was the fern around on 2007?
I don't remember.
