All Blacks - New Coach Selection
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oh yeah absolutely, the most efficient way to run anything is by committee
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@mariner4life said in All Blacks - New Coach Selection:
oh yeah absolutely, the most efficient way to run anything is by committee
Yep we just had a couple of years of that. And boy didn't that work well!!!
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@reprobate said in All Blacks - New Coach Selection:
However, I think if you're going to list reasons Robertson was selected then his success with the Crusaders probably deserves a mention.
It wasn't just we have to get rid of Foster no matter what; we seemed to have a better option . . . just right there.
It is a different scenario this time; all the balls are up in the air, as they should be.As to the lack of gossip, my thoughts are that it was probably a few of the most gossipy days ever at NZR Hq when the move was made on Razor, and the TSF may have been used as a subtle way to pool the gossip.
Hq types lurking on TSF to find out what was goin on, and feeding a few gossips.
All back to boring usual at Hq.
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@mohikamo said in All Blacks - New Coach Selection:
@reprobate said in All Blacks - New Coach Selection:
However, I think if you're going to list reasons Robertson was selected then his success with the Crusaders probably deserves a mention.
It wasn't just we have to get rid of Foster no matter what; we seemed to have a better option . . . just right there.
It is a different scenario this time; all the balls are up in the air, as they should be.As to the lack of gossip, my thoughts are that it was probably a few of the most gossipy days ever at NZR Hq when the move was made on Razor, and the TSF may have been used as a subtle way to pool the gossip.
Hq types lurking on TSF to find out what was goin on, and feeding a few gossips.
All back to boring usual at Hq.
Might liven up when it seems like it might be getting close to a decision.Ugh I feel so used
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@mariner4life said in All Blacks - New Coach Selection:
strangely for me i don't have an opinion on the make up of the team and the delegation of duties, as i have no idea how an elite level team sets up their week.
I watched a SR trial game on the weekend.
One of the teams stayed on the field at half-time.It was interesting to note that all the ACs stayed outside the huddle, lurking a few metres away, with no input.
Only the HC was in the middle of the huddle, doin the talkin (with possibly one AC (a short one), couldn't quite see).
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@Chris-B said in All Blacks - New Coach Selection:
I'd be pretty surprised if the loser of this battle would then sign up as an assistant, so I'm really wondering what quality assistants we're going to line up. I think I'm pretty happy if Ryan stays on.
If we've got to have lots of coaches - I think I'd like to see a Head Coach, a Forwards Coach, A Backs Coach, an Assistant Forwards Coach, and an Assistant Backs Coach - along with specialist skills coaches as required. I don't really get how having attack and defence coaches really work, since these are two sides of the same coin.
Lining up the assistants is what'll take some time; all the possible combinations, who will/can work with who, who is available.
If NZR are doing all this, that is how it should be, it should not be left for the HC candidates to do all that themselves.The TSF chat seems to be all about this ATM, so I imagine it is the same at HQ.
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All Blacks coach race: Jamie Joseph and Dave Rennie emerge as only real contenders
Applications to be the All Blacks head coach closed today and having started with a long list of 11 who met the criteria of having previously been in charge of an international team, six were effectively deemed of high interest, but it’s likely only two have put their hat in the ring.
For the seventh successive contestable process, the supposed ultimate job in world rugby has most probably only attracted two genuine candidates: Jamie Joseph and Dave Rennie.
Even then, it was not always certain the latter would apply, having hummed-hawed due partly to a long-held desire to take a break once his current commitment with Japanese club Kobe finishes in May/June, and partly because of a long-held lack of trust in New Zealand Rugby to behave in a consistent and transparent manner befitting a high-performance institution.
Also mentioned was that Dave Rennie had such a bad relationship with NZR, and particularly Steve Tew, that he didn't want to apply for AB coach in 2019.
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@Tim said in All Blacks - New Coach Selection:
All Blacks coach race: Jamie Joseph and Dave Rennie emerge as only real contenders
Applications to be the All Blacks head coach closed today and having started with a long list of 11 who met the criteria of having previously been in charge of an international team, six were effectively deemed of high interest, but it’s likely only two have put their hat in the ring.
For the seventh successive contestable process, the supposed ultimate job in world rugby has most probably only attracted two genuine candidates: Jamie Joseph and Dave Rennie.
Even then, it was not always certain the latter would apply, having hummed-hawed due partly to a long-held desire to take a break once his current commitment with Japanese club Kobe finishes in May/June, and partly because of a long-held lack of trust in New Zealand Rugby to behave in a consistent and transparent manner befitting a high-performance institution.
Also mentioned was that Dave Rennie had such a bad relationship with NZR, and particularly Steve Tew, that he didn't want to apply for AB coach in 2019.
That's disappointing. We can't afford to scare playing or coaching talent away
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@Tim said in All Blacks - New Coach Selection:
Also mentioned was that Dave Rennie had such a bad relationship with NZR, and particularly Steve Tew, that he didn't want to apply for AB coach in 2019.
One of Knowler's articles mentioned that Joseph's people reached out to NZR to get assurance that the 2023 AB coach position was going to be a genuine contest, and was not just rubber-stamping Robertson's appointment. Joseph did apply, but you can understand how Rennie might feel this time for the same reason.
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So, a long list of 11 who met the criteria:
Joseph
Rennie
Schmidt
Foster
Hansen
Cotter
Deans
Mitchell
Smith
Gatland
Crowley
Pivac
HaigHave to shed two already and doubtless several people I've forgotten. I haven't considered people like Kirwan, Hammett, Henry, who surely aren't in any frames.
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Jamie Joseph has the job the work throughs are who the assistants are Hanson,Ellison and Ryan stay on or Jane,Lynn and McIntosh, come on board.
Pipe dream by NZR trying to get JJ and Rennie to work together maybe they can produce a miracle.
JJ was tagged for the Job before Rqzor was cut they are just working out how the above plays out. -
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@Frank said in All Blacks - New Coach Selection:
@Chris
Is this a source or your opinion on what is going to happen?If Joseph had been"tagged" (or promised the job because he came back to NZ) before Rennie had even been interviewed or compared to him, that is highly disappointing.
Kirk is not that stupid to not have his ducks in a row before sacking Razor.
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@Chris id have hoped that would have been a chat to both Rennie and JJ (and probably others) to gauge interest for the soon to be vacant HC role and interest in working with other coaches in what capacity rather than this supposed pre determined result
As to Rennie / Tew, then Robinson / Foster, fuck, shit show
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@Chris said in All Blacks - New Coach Selection:
Jamie Joseph has the job the work throughs are who the assistants are Hanson,Ellison and Ryan stay on or Jane,Lynn and McIntosh, come on board.
Pipe dream by NZR trying to get JJ and Rennie to work together maybe they can produce a miracle.
JJ was tagged for the Job before Rqzor was cut they are just working out how the above plays out.Wait, do you mean the above as in the possibility of Rennie working with Joseph or whether to dispense of the current assistants?
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@Kiwiwomble said in All Blacks - New Coach Selection:
@Frank i honestly wouldnt have a problem with it if it made things clear....definitive.....a statement....but if we faf around for several weeks only to end up with the pre determined option....its juts a waste of time
Absolutely.
Lying to the public that the job is open when the outcome is predetermined.I don't personally believe Kirk is that unprofessional.
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@Tim said in All Blacks - New Coach Selection:
All Blacks coach race: Jamie Joseph and Dave Rennie emerge as only real contenders
Applications to be the All Blacks head coach closed today and having started with a long list of 11 who met the criteria of having previously been in charge of an international team, six were effectively deemed of high interest, but it’s likely only two have put their hat in the ring.
For the seventh successive contestable process, the supposed ultimate job in world rugby has most probably only attracted two genuine candidates: Jamie Joseph and Dave Rennie.
Even then, it was not always certain the latter would apply, having hummed-hawed due partly to a long-held desire to take a break once his current commitment with Japanese club Kobe finishes in May/June, and partly because of a long-held lack of trust in New Zealand Rugby to behave in a consistent and transparent manner befitting a high-performance institution.
Also mentioned was that Dave Rennie had such a bad relationship with NZR, and particularly Steve Tew, that he didn't want to apply for AB coach in 2019.
Well as he was signed up by Aussie well before job even came up, I guessing that may of had something to do with it.
Probably regrets having anything to do with Wallabies, as when applying for any international job, he will never escape the fact that he has the worst winning percentage of any Wallabu coach, and some of them have been ordinary! -
@restofit said in All Blacks - New Coach Selection:
@Chris said in All Blacks - New Coach Selection:
Jamie Joseph has the job the work throughs are who the assistants are Hanson,Ellison and Ryan stay on or Jane,Lynn and McIntosh, come on board.
Pipe dream by NZR trying to get JJ and Rennie to work together maybe they can produce a miracle.
JJ was tagged for the Job before Rqzor was cut they are just working out how the above plays out.Wait, do you mean the above as in the possibility of Rennie working with Joseph or whether to dispense of the current assistants?
Yes the hope that NZR can get Joseph and Rennie to work together.
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@Frank said in All Blacks - New Coach Selection:
@Kiwiwomble said in All Blacks - New Coach Selection:
@Frank i honestly wouldnt have a problem with it if it made things clear....definitive.....a statement....but if we faf around for several weeks only to end up with the pre determined option....its juts a waste of time
Absolutely.
Lying to the public that the job is open when the outcome is predetermined.I don't personally believe Kirk is that unprofessional.
Kirk already lied by telling everyone the players were only told an hour before the press release Razor was sacked.
The players knew well before that.
