All Blacks - New Coach Selection
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@frugby said in All Blacks - New Coach Selection:
@nostrildamus Jane runs the Hurricanes defence. Jamie rated him highly so firms as the likely option.
I can’t see him coming in purely as a specialist high ball coach… unless he takes the backs?
Yes that's my unclear point. I know he's in charge of defence, I just can't remember that part of his performance in the ABs and I was really impressed by how he talked about skills.
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@nostrildamus said in All Blacks - New Coach Selection:
@frugby said in All Blacks - New Coach Selection:
@nostrildamus Jane runs the Hurricanes defence. Jamie rated him highly so firms as the likely option.
I can’t see him coming in purely as a specialist high ball coach… unless he takes the backs?
Yes that's my unclear point. I know he's in charge of defence, I just can't remember that part of his performance in the ABs and I was really impressed by how he talked about skills.
From what I understand there is a bit of a gentleman’s agreement between JJ and the Highlanders that IF he gets the job, he won’t raid the back room staff, which counts out David Kidwell.
Narrows the options a little bit.
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@frugby said in All Blacks - New Coach Selection:
@nostrildamus Jane runs the Hurricanes defence. Jamie rated him highly so firms as the likely option.
I can’t see him coming in purely as a specialist high ball coach… unless he takes the backs?
I'd prefer Jane to Ellison any day. Jane has a great rugby brain and players always rave about him.
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Tamati Ellison came in with a few wraps on him (though not as a head coach).
I suspect he’d make quite a good skills coach, focusing on the finer details, but maybe struggled with building a defensive pattern based off a chaotic attack.
I’d be interested in analysis on it, but suspect defensive efficiency has a correlation to the way you attack - and I’m not sure Lord Hansen and the Blunt Razor had those particularly aligned.
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@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks - New Coach Selection:
@taniwharugby I also like the way he's developed people like Vaa'i and took a gamble on Holland.
We don't know who was responsible for the odd non-selection policy but if that's a weak point, someone like JJ, Rennie should be able to sort it out like Foster did.
If we're going to give him credit there though, then we've got to question taking a punt on Bell, ST becoming almost a non entity under him, Lomax and EdG falling well off the pace. I can't give him much credit for Holland, come on the guy was an AB mainstay in the making with all the tools, it definitely wasn't a punt.
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@game_film yeah a few small tweaks would get huge reward, but I guess thats the way with elite sport, the 1%.
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@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks - New Coach Selection:
@taniwharugby I also like the way he's developed people like Vaa'i and took a gamble on Holland.
We don't know who was responsible for the odd non-selection policy but if that's a weak point, someone like JJ, Rennie should be able to sort it out like Foster did.
Hardly a gamble on Holland, the kid has looked an AB for a few years.
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@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks - New Coach Selection:
@taniwharugby I also like the way he's developed people like Vaa'i and took a gamble on Holland.
We don't know who was responsible for the odd non-selection policy but if that's a weak point, someone like JJ, Rennie should be able to sort it out like Foster did.
Um, is that Ian 'injury is my best selector' Foster?
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@reprobate said in All Blacks - New Coach Selection:
@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks - New Coach Selection:
@taniwharugby I also like the way he's developed people like Vaa'i and took a gamble on Holland.
We don't know who was responsible for the odd non-selection policy but if that's a weak point, someone like JJ, Rennie should be able to sort it out like Foster did.
Um, is that Ian 'injury is my best selector' Foster?
and sickness (COVID) was his best coaching time.
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@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks - New Coach Selection:
@reprobate said in All Blacks - New Coach Selection:
@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks - New Coach Selection:
I'm actually pleased NZR are talking to all and sundry and taking a broader look at skills and suitability. Makes a big change from simple succession and/or choosing someone on perceived charisma and PowerPoinf slides.
Wouldn't be surprised if they pick a head Coach to take us beyond 2027 but take a shorter-term view on assistants to fix short-term problems. Maybe that's the reason they're talking to people like Foster and Shag?
However, I think if you're going to list reasons Robertson was selected then his success with the Crusaders probably deserves a mention. Unless you're just making snide remarks while advocating for professional behaviour?
You don't think NZR picking Robertson on the basis he was incredibly successful with one team - the Crusaders - was the problem?
Minimal experience of how to handle failure, managing different team environments and absolutely zero experience of coaching at Test level - a masterclass in wishful thinking by NZR.
Thankfully, we seem to have moved on.
Your individual points have a degree of validity, but the whole thing is a strawman because I never tried to list the reasons Robertson shouldn't have been selected. If I were to, top of the list would be: 'hearing the nonsense that comes out of the fluffybunny's mouth'.
You listed powerpoint and perceived charisma as the reasons he was selected, neglecting to mention his coaching success - which seems like a sizeable (and spiteful and petty) oversight. You'll defend and sympathise with Foster on just about everything and try to slight Robertson at every opportunity - the difference in your attitude to the two is absolutely glaring.
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@mohikamo said in All Blacks - New Coach Selection:
@Chris-B said in All Blacks - New Coach Selection:
So, a long list of 11 who met the criteria:
Joseph
Rennie
Schmidt
Foster
Hansen
Cotter
Deans
Mitchell
Smith
Gatland
Crowley
Pivac
HaigHave to shed two already and doubtless several people I've forgotten. I haven't considered people like Kirwan, Hammett, Henry, who surely aren't in any frames.
Having just watched the Brad Thorn padcast, I want him!
Think he ticks all the boxes, just.Yes. Appears to have all the qualities and then some. Definitely empathy, ability to communicate and kick your fucken arse if you play up.
Could just as easily coach Australia though, maybe in the other code if he so felt like it.
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@MN5 said in All Blacks - New Coach Selection:
@mohikamo said in All Blacks - New Coach Selection:
@Chris-B said in All Blacks - New Coach Selection:
So, a long list of 11 who met the criteria:
Joseph
Rennie
Schmidt
Foster
Hansen
Cotter
Deans
Mitchell
Smith
Gatland
Crowley
Pivac
HaigHave to shed two already and doubtless several people I've forgotten. I haven't considered people like Kirwan, Hammett, Henry, who surely aren't in any frames.
Having just watched the Brad Thorn padcast, I want him!
Think he ticks all the boxes, just.Yes. Appears to have all the qualities and then some. Definitely empathy, ability to communicate and kick your fucken arse if you play up.
Could just as easily coach Australia though, maybe in the other code if he so felt like it.
We should grab him while we can then. He was a very professional AB
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@canefan said in All Blacks - New Coach Selection:
@MN5 said in All Blacks - New Coach Selection:
@mohikamo said in All Blacks - New Coach Selection:
@Chris-B said in All Blacks - New Coach Selection:
So, a long list of 11 who met the criteria:
Joseph
Rennie
Schmidt
Foster
Hansen
Cotter
Deans
Mitchell
Smith
Gatland
Crowley
Pivac
HaigHave to shed two already and doubtless several people I've forgotten. I haven't considered people like Kirwan, Hammett, Henry, who surely aren't in any frames.
Having just watched the Brad Thorn padcast, I want him!
Think he ticks all the boxes, just.Yes. Appears to have all the qualities and then some. Definitely empathy, ability to communicate and kick your fucken arse if you play up.
Could just as easily coach Australia though, maybe in the other code if he so felt like it.
We should grab him while we can then. He was a very professional AB
Thorn could be great for the loosies.
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@MN5 said in All Blacks - New Coach Selection:
Could just as easily coach Australia though, maybe in the other code if he so felt like it.
This is where NZR needs to get it's act together and start taking to him sooner rather than later. Let him know they are watching his coaching career.
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Your individual points have a degree of validity, but the whole thing is a strawman because I never tried to list the reasons Robertson shouldn't have been selected. If I were to, top of the list would be: 'hearing the nonsense that comes out of the fluffybunny's mouth'.
You listed powerpoint and perceived charisma as the reasons he was selected, neglecting to mention his coaching success - which seems like a sizeable (and spiteful and petty) oversight. You'll defend and sympathise with Foster on just about everything and try to slight Robertson at every opportunity - the difference in your attitude to the two is absolutely glaring.
Do you actually know Foster, is that it?
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@george33 said in All Blacks - New Coach Selection:
@Chris Hope Ryan is gone also.Lets just start again.
If it is Joseph he's going to need some good knowledge around him.
Most likely a new captain also.The thing is the players like Ryan,wether that makes a difference I don't know.
Yeah new Captain new coaches normally come in and pick their Captain which probably will be someone else.The thing is if they sack all the assistants under Razor and Rennie doesn't jump on board.
The assistants like Jane etc really don't have any international experience which doesn't make much sense if only the HC has international experience and the board wants that you would expect the same applies to some of the assistants. -
@Chris said in All Blacks - New Coach Selection:
Yeah new Captain new coaches normally come in and pick their Captain which probably will be someone else.
I hope so. No reflection on Scooter and he plays his heart out, but he never looked comfortable as Captain
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@mohikamo said in All Blacks - New Coach Selection:
@Chris said in All Blacks - New Coach Selection:
t has ended up that way just going through the process so it is seen to be done.
I think there is more to it than that.
This aint just about the senior XV.
For example the recent appointment of the new BF HC doesn't look good at a superficial glance.
I'd be hoping that a thorough process was gone thru leading to that appointment.They are also struggling to find a CEO.It is a mess past boards Ceos etc have produced a lot of miss trust.
There are a few bridges to be built.
Joseph has the job he has for a while.
