All Blacks - New Coach Selection
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@canefan said in All Blacks - New Coach Selection:
Anyone who expects miracles from our current situation is dreaming
Another sport but . . . .
SB this weekend
Pats . . . Vrabel . . . first year HC
Hawks . . . Macdonald . . . second year HC
the turnaround can be quick! -
@mohikamo said in All Blacks - New Coach Selection:
But for the next 18 months its guna be, just win.
Pragmatism - which would be trying something new
Then in two years time we can go back to trying new things and making progress, for a couple of seasons.
Pretty much my thinking
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@mohikamo said in All Blacks - New Coach Selection:
@canefan said in All Blacks - New Coach Selection:
Anyone who expects miracles from our current situation is dreaming
Another sport but . . . .
SB this weekend
Pats . . . Vrabel . . . first year HC
Hawks . . . Macdonald . . . second year HC
the turnaround can be quick!It's not like we don't the cattle. We have played below ourselves for 2 years. Make basic changes and we could roar back
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@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks - New Coach Selection:
@taniwharugby said in All Blacks - New Coach Selection:
@reprobate yeah Razor really missed a huge opportunity to hit the ground running and.stamp his.mark.on things, instead he pretty much trotted out the same.side with a worse game plan.
He missed the chance to really.take some risks early on too, so disappointing when you think how he was seemingly so innovative and from a different mould.
Could understand that in Year 1 while he found his feet, but not in Year 2. Expected some risk-taking last year. - esp. from a coach with a record 7 SR titles in a row under his belt.
New coach will need to hit the ground running and won't have the luxury of an extended timescale. Wonder if a 2 year contract is a bit short-sighted by NZR - maybe better to go for 4 with extension to be confirmed after the next RWC?
Any head coach coming into the ABs will want a 4 yr contract due to the timing and circumstance of their appointment. It would be unfair to be judged on an outcome which is less than 2 years away when the governing body deemed that the ABs were essentially in crisis mode and need a get well plan -
That's why I think a 2+2 (or poss. 2+4) contract is the way to go - essentially a 4 year gig.
Look at the first two years as taking over a bit of a disaster and getting things under control and then extend with different assessment criteria.
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While no loss is acceptable, we know some will be inevitable, but the manner of the losses, the way we play is equally as important.
For me there are 2 games, or more accurately 2 halves of.rugby that stick out as totally unacceptable: 2nd half of Test 2 v Ireland and last years 2nd half v SA.
Oddly, both abominations for different reasons.
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@taniwharugby I'd go a bit further, England under Borthwick are not the power they could be, France C should have been roundly dispatched.
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@taniwharugby I've seen shit performances,thru the years - individually and by the team as a whole.
But I've never seen an AB team simply give up like they did against SA in Wellington last year. Absolute low point.
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@mohikamo said in All Blacks - New Coach Selection:
@canefan said in All Blacks - New Coach Selection:
Anyone who expects miracles from our current situation is dreaming
Another sport but . . . .
SB this weekend
Pats . . . Vrabel . . . first year HC
Hawks . . . Macdonald . . . second year HC
the turnaround can be quick!Coaches can inspire fans too. I'd run through a brick wall for Dan Campbell. Deep authenticity
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@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks - New Coach Selection:
@taniwharugby I've seen shit performances,thru the years - individually and by the team as a whole.
But I've never seen an AB team simply give up like they did against SA in Wellington last year. Absolute low point.
That's a unique viewpoint.
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@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks - New Coach Selection:
That's why I think a 2+2 (or poss. 2+4) contract is the way to go - essentially a 4 year gig.
Look at the first two years as taking over a bit of a disaster and getting things under control and then extend with different assessment criteria.
Yup, and it is just common sense. “We are in distress and we need your help to salvage this world cup cycle as the side isnt where we think it should be to be successful at a world cup. but if you go out in the qtrs, your gone!”
So, i imagine they are looking at a 4 year contract with review after RWC. With both sides looking very closely at KPI’s and break clauses etc at that time.
NZR are not in a position of strength right now while appointing coaches and if they sacked another quickly it would really look shit so i imagine they will have to be a little more forgiving due to circumstance.
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@African-Monkey said in All Blacks - New Coach Selection:
JJ has his critics, but at least we know that he will be virtually an independant coach with no luggage. I can only see it as beneficial once he eventually signs on.
If NZR are only offering an initial 2-yr contract I favour Rennie. He's closer to the end of his coaching career so might be happier with those terms.
Remember that Robertson was reluctant to replace Foster in 2022. The term mentioned in the press was "having a clear runway" for the RWC.
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@Bovidae said in All Blacks - New Coach Selection:
@African-Monkey said in All Blacks - New Coach Selection:
JJ has his critics, but at least we know that he will be virtually an independant coach with no luggage. I can only see it as beneficial once he eventually signs on.
If NZR are only offering an initial 2-yr contract I favour Rennie. He's closer to the end of his coaching career so might be happier with those terms.
Remember that Robertson was reluctant to replace Foster in 2022. The term mentioned in the press was "having a clear runway" for the RWC.
To expand, they could appoint Dave for 2027 gig, and bring JJ in in some capacity, but with the 'promise' that he'd take over after the RWC.
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@Bovidae said in All Blacks - New Coach Selection:
@African-Monkey said in All Blacks - New Coach Selection:
JJ has his critics, but at least we know that he will be virtually an independant coach with no luggage. I can only see it as beneficial once he eventually signs on.
If NZR are only offering an initial 2-yr contract I favour Rennie. He's closer to the end of his coaching career so might be happier with those terms.
Remember that Robertson was reluctant to replace Foster in 2022. The term mentioned in the press was "having a clear runway" for the RWC.
Yeah, and I wouldn't be against Rennie either. It's a fair point you make.
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Scott Robertson discussion is over here:
https://forum.silverfern.rugby/topic/7732/scott-robertson -
@DaGrubster said in All Blacks - New Coach Selection:
@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks - New Coach Selection:
That's why I think a 2+2 (or poss. 2+4) contract is the way to go - essentially a 4 year gig.
Look at the first two years as taking over a bit of a disaster and getting things under control and then extend with different assessment criteria.
Yup, and it is just common sense. “We are in distress and we need your help to salvage this world cup cycle as the side isnt where we think it should be to be successful at a world cup. but if you go out in the qtrs, your gone!”
So, i imagine they are looking at a 4 year contract with review after RWC. With both sides looking very closely at KPI’s and break clauses etc at that time.
NZR are not in a position of strength right now while appointing coaches and if they sacked another quickly it would really look shit so i imagine they will have to be a little more forgiving due to circumstance.
In 4 years' time, we have a Lions tour. NZR needs an out before then in case things get even worse. A poor RWC showing, with a QF exit, followed by losing a Lions tour would be catastrophic.
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@junior said in All Blacks - New Coach Selection:
@DaGrubster said in All Blacks - New Coach Selection:
@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks - New Coach Selection:
That's why I think a 2+2 (or poss. 2+4) contract is the way to go - essentially a 4 year gig.
Look at the first two years as taking over a bit of a disaster and getting things under control and then extend with different assessment criteria.
Yup, and it is just common sense. “We are in distress and we need your help to salvage this world cup cycle as the side isnt where we think it should be to be successful at a world cup. but if you go out in the qtrs, your gone!”
So, i imagine they are looking at a 4 year contract with review after RWC. With both sides looking very closely at KPI’s and break clauses etc at that time.
NZR are not in a position of strength right now while appointing coaches and if they sacked another quickly it would really look shit so i imagine they will have to be a little more forgiving due to circumstance.
In 4 years' time, we have a Lions tour. NZR needs an out before then in case things get even worse. A poor RWC showing, with a QF exit, followed by losing a Lions tour would be catastrophic.
They will have some clauses for sure. Probably a little less diluted than in normal circumstances.
If we have a disastrous 4 years after the last 2 disastrous years and the years under fozzie.
Then a HC is the last of our problems wuite frankly
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- Dave Rennie and Jamie Joseph have both kept their counsel in recent weeks.
- Process now moves to the interview stage - where All Blacks will be critiqued.
- Separate announcement on new NZ Rugby chief executive could be imminent.
A mention that Foster could work with Rennie.
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@Frank said in All Blacks - New Coach Selection:
Foster is actually a very strong candidate as an assistant coach.
Deep knowledge of the All Blacks, backs coach previously, selfless, loved by the players.
Pair him with Rennie and you've got the potential for huge team cohesion.I've said before Foster could be a good manager type. But I think they also need a good skills coach.
