All Blacks - New Coach Selection
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@gt12 said in All Blacks - New Coach Selection:
Yes please.
Who is head coach though?
Rennie and Jospeh have very contrasting views of how to build team culture.
I see this as highly unlikely.I think Joseph has the inside running.
Unless they give Rennie the top job on a two + two year basis with some agreement that he will step down if we a) don't win the WC (2 years) or b) win the WC and after 2+2 years, he turns it over to a new team (Joseph + Brown).
I think that's unlikely and Joseph may just say no in that case, and Rennie's time to get the top job is now or never IMO. He's been in Japan and away from top level for a couple of years, so I personally think he is the outsider for the role. Given that, if he isn't chosen as the number 1, I would hope he would consider being an AB assistant coach.
The other person I would really like to get in the team is Kenny Lynn.
Apologies, that was a bit of a ramble.
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I think Joseph has the inside running.
Unless they give Rennie the top job on a two + two year basis with some agreement that he will step down if we a) don't win the WC (2 years) or b) win the WC and after 2+2 years, he turns it over to a new team (Joseph + Brown).
I think that's unlikely and Joseph may just say no in that case, and Rennie's time to get the top job is now or never IMO. He's been in Japan and away from top level for a couple of years, so I personally think he is the outsider for the role. Given that, if he isn't chosen as the number 1, I would hope he would consider being an AB assistant coach.
The other person I would really like to get in the team is Kenny Lynn.
Apologies, that was a bit of a ramble.
@gt12 said in All Blacks - New Coach Selection:
Apologies, that was a bit of a ramble.
Not a ramble, that sounds sensible to me.
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Is Warren Gatland the Third Man?
https://twitter.com/rugby_hub/status/2021882131186913310?s=46
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@Kirwan said in All Blacks - New Coach Selection:
Warren Gatland would be a terrible choice IMO.
Over 200 tests coaching experience, three Grand Slams, two RWC Semi Finals, a European Cup, an NPC title and almost unrivalled knowledge and understanding of the game.
But he really stank the joint out with the Chiefs a few years ago.
Life wouldn't be dull with Gats at the wheel.
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@Kirwan said in All Blacks - New Coach Selection:
Warren Gatland would be a terrible choice IMO.
Over 200 tests coaching experience, three Grand Slams, two RWC Semi Finals, a European Cup, an NPC title and almost unrivalled knowledge and understanding of the game.
But he really stank the joint out with the Chiefs a few years ago.
Life wouldn't be dull with Gats at the wheel.
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Martin Devlin has clearly been tipped off that the new All Blacks coach will be announced next week:
https://twitter.com/martindevlinnz/status/2022043381317480946?s=46
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@Kirwan said in All Blacks - New Coach Selection:
Warren Gatland would be a terrible choice IMO.
Over 200 tests coaching experience, three Grand Slams, two RWC Semi Finals, a European Cup, an NPC title and almost unrivalled knowledge and understanding of the game.
But he really stank the joint out with the Chiefs a few years ago.
Life wouldn't be dull with Gats at the wheel.
@sparky said in All Blacks - New Coach Selection:
@Kirwan said in All Blacks - New Coach Selection:
Warren Gatland would be a terrible choice IMO.
Over 200 tests coaching experience, three Grand Slams, two RWC Semi Finals, a European Cup, an NPC title and almost unrivalled knowledge and understanding of the game.
But he really stank the joint out with the Chiefs a few years ago.
Life wouldn't be dull with Gats at the wheel.
Basic game plan with a far greater calibre of player than he had in Wales. Wasn't simplification and concentration on the basics something we wanted? I'm sure he could be more expansive with better cattle, and the right assistants. As an assistant he could be valuable
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I think Joseph has the inside running.
Unless they give Rennie the top job on a two + two year basis with some agreement that he will step down if we a) don't win the WC (2 years) or b) win the WC and after 2+2 years, he turns it over to a new team (Joseph + Brown).
I think that's unlikely and Joseph may just say no in that case, and Rennie's time to get the top job is now or never IMO. He's been in Japan and away from top level for a couple of years, so I personally think he is the outsider for the role. Given that, if he isn't chosen as the number 1, I would hope he would consider being an AB assistant coach.
The other person I would really like to get in the team is Kenny Lynn.
Apologies, that was a bit of a ramble.
@gt12 said in All Blacks - New Coach Selection:
I think Joseph has the inside running.
Unless they give Rennie the top job on a two + two year basis with some agreement that he will step down if we a) don't win the WC (2 years)
i dont think anyone is taking the job if the KPI is win the world cup within 2 years
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@gt12 said in All Blacks - New Coach Selection:
I think Joseph has the inside running.
Unless they give Rennie the top job on a two + two year basis with some agreement that he will step down if we a) don't win the WC (2 years)
i dont think anyone is taking the job if the KPI is win the world cup within 2 years
@Kiwiwomble If I were someone like Cotter, Rennie, Deans i.e. in my 60s and with retirement looming, I would.
Not a lot to lose if you fail in very tough circumstances, chance to become a legend for turning it around, and probably the last chance to have a crack at the job you would most likely have coveted over all others throughout your career. -
Gats was very popular with the chiefs. Personally if they are the 3 we are lucky to have 3 very good candidates I wouldn't want to have to make the choice
@ploughboy said in All Blacks - New Coach Selection:
Personally if they are the 3 we are lucky to have 3 very good candidates I wouldn't want to have to make the choice
Yep, it's a superb short list. And whoever gets the nod has my fervent support.
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@ploughboy said in All Blacks - New Coach Selection:
Personally if they are the 3 we are lucky to have 3 very good candidates I wouldn't want to have to make the choice
Yep, it's a superb short list. And whoever gets the nod has my fervent support.
@sparky said in All Blacks - New Coach Selection:
@ploughboy said in All Blacks - New Coach Selection:
Personally if they are the 3 we are lucky to have 3 very good candidates I wouldn't want to have to make the choice
Yep, it's a superb short list. And whoever gets the nod has my fervent support.
that's the thing if your pick doesn't get it lets get in behind them and not have the carry on from last two coaches
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@Kiwiwomble If I were someone like Cotter, Rennie, Deans i.e. in my 60s and with retirement looming, I would.
Not a lot to lose if you fail in very tough circumstances, chance to become a legend for turning it around, and probably the last chance to have a crack at the job you would most likely have coveted over all others throughout your career.@reprobate said in All Blacks - New Coach Selection:
@Kiwiwomble If I were someone like Cotter, Rennie, Deans i.e. in my 60s and with retirement looming, I would.
Not a lot to lose if you fail in very tough circumstances, chance to become a legend for turning it around, and probably the last chance to have a crack at the job you would most likely have coveted over all others throughout your career.i guess you might be right, not sure i like it thought, just role the dice with people with nothing to lose, think i would rather we had a long term plan, set a relistic KPI of the semis with a real aim of 2031 with an dominate squat of vetrans
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Gatland's record in later years not flash. What was that word? Trajectory?
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@sparky said in All Blacks - New Coach Selection:
@ploughboy said in All Blacks - New Coach Selection:
Personally if they are the 3 we are lucky to have 3 very good candidates I wouldn't want to have to make the choice
Yep, it's a superb short list. And whoever gets the nod has my fervent support.
that's the thing if your pick doesn't get it lets get in behind them and not have the carry on from last two coaches
@ploughboy
Let's not forget everyone was behind Robertson at the start bro. He lost our support because of his selections and his tactics, and the total lack of improvement (or 'trajectory' as per Kirk). -
@reprobate said in All Blacks - New Coach Selection:
@Kiwiwomble If I were someone like Cotter, Rennie, Deans i.e. in my 60s and with retirement looming, I would.
Not a lot to lose if you fail in very tough circumstances, chance to become a legend for turning it around, and probably the last chance to have a crack at the job you would most likely have coveted over all others throughout your career.i guess you might be right, not sure i like it thought, just role the dice with people with nothing to lose, think i would rather we had a long term plan, set a relistic KPI of the semis with a real aim of 2031 with an dominate squat of vetrans
@Kiwiwomble said in All Blacks - New Coach Selection:
@reprobate said in All Blacks - New Coach Selection:
@Kiwiwomble If I were someone like Cotter, Rennie, Deans i.e. in my 60s and with retirement looming, I would.
Not a lot to lose if you fail in very tough circumstances, chance to become a legend for turning it around, and probably the last chance to have a crack at the job you would most likely have coveted over all others throughout your career.i guess you might be right, not sure i like it thought, just role the dice with people with nothing to lose, think i would rather we had a long term plan, set a relistic KPI of the semis with a real aim of 2031 with an dominate squat of vetrans
Yeah look I don't think any single game ought to be a KPI. Things can easily be out of a coaches control in a one-off knockout game, and it would be idiotic to sack a coach if e.g. the 1995 WC final happened.
But winning it should still be the target - we are doing a lot of basic stuff badly, and even so we are still not that far off the pace. -
@ploughboy
Let's not forget everyone was behind Robertson at the start bro. He lost our support because of his selections and his tactics, and the total lack of improvement (or 'trajectory' as per Kirk).@reprobate said in All Blacks - New Coach Selection:
@ploughboy
Let's not forget everyone was behind Robertson at the start bro. He lost our support because of his selections and his tactics, and the total lack of improvement (or 'trajectory' as per Kirk).you have made some good points earlier but there was always a feeling with some people that Robertson was the emperor with no clothes , and when things started to unravel it was a easy stick to hit him with.These 3 coaches have a far greater experience so hopefully who ever wins gets a greater support
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well you'd hope they have learnt from both Foster & Razors time and the extensions, KPIs (possible lack of clear ones) and targets.
I am not sure offering anyone a 4 year contract now serves coach or ABs well, although if there are some very strict measures for review after the RWC with option to continue or part ways, maybe, but you'd think a 2 year contract with right of extension should be on offer.
Fozzie was 2 years initially, then extended, while Razor was 4 years, and well....
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@reprobate said in All Blacks - New Coach Selection:
@ploughboy
Let's not forget everyone was behind Robertson at the start bro. He lost our support because of his selections and his tactics, and the total lack of improvement (or 'trajectory' as per Kirk).you have made some good points earlier but there was always a feeling with some people that Robertson was the emperor with no clothes , and when things started to unravel it was a easy stick to hit him with.These 3 coaches have a far greater experience so hopefully who ever wins gets a greater support
@ploughboy said in All Blacks - New Coach Selection:
@reprobate said in All Blacks - New Coach Selection:
@ploughboy
Let's not forget everyone was behind Robertson at the start bro. He lost our support because of his selections and his tactics, and the total lack of improvement (or 'trajectory' as per Kirk).you have made some good points earlier but there was always a feeling with some people that Robertson was the emperor with no clothes , and when things started to unravel it was a easy stick to hit him with.These 3 coaches have a far greater experience so hopefully who ever wins gets a greater support
Yeah there's never going to be 100% confidence. There's at least one fella on here who doesn't rate Joseph, and some who credit Rennie's success at the Chiefs to Smith.
We do all want success though, and I do think most on here have a decent understanding of the game and can deal with some bumps in the road if we see progress. Both Foster and Robertson were so conservative that when we lost we felt like we were achieving nothing - e.g. when we're trotting out BB and getting thrashed by a South African 23 year old.
