Star Wars VII ****contains spoilers****
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I didn't give it a second thought, i was too busy watching a good action scene.
Picking up minor plot holes in movies (especially a fucking fantasy movie set in space) just so you can feel superior later really is odd.
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Really? It annoyed you?
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@NTA said in Star Wars VII ****contains spoilers****:
It's nothing to do with feeling superior - just annoyed me.
As it is, Kirwan's theory makes sense BUT you've still got personnel on the ground. Seems a little fraught.
That was part of the plot too, they were sent in to kill the father and they had lost contact with them because of the crash. So assuming they were dead, they sent in the bombers.
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@mariner4life said in Star Wars VII ****contains spoilers****:
Really? It annoyed you?
In what was an otherwise great movie, they didn't even take the time to do some basic military shit like comms and infantry ground tactics. Their pilots were also pretty shit.
That kind of thing always annoys me. Is it not allowed? Am I also supposed to praise the deep character development of JarJar Binks?
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For those thinking theres alot missing from the trailers...
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@MN5 said in Star Wars VII ****contains spoilers****:
The AT ATs being extremely top heavy is a bit of a design flaw too. They didn't offer much overall
The ones on R1 are apparently early versions, and get tougher for Empire. Seriously, the time they spent on minor details like that makes my inner geek very happy.
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@Kirwan said in Star Wars VII ****contains spoilers****:
@MN5 said in Star Wars VII ****contains spoilers****:
The AT ATs being extremely top heavy is a bit of a design flaw too. They didn't offer much overall
The ones on R1 are apparently early versions, and get tougher for Empire. Seriously, the time they spent on minor details like that makes my inner geek very happy.
They didn't have the really powerful chin mounted guns either and the way they opened in the middle was a bit poor.
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@MN5 said in Star Wars VII ****contains spoilers****:
@Kirwan said in Star Wars VII ****contains spoilers****:
@MN5 said in Star Wars VII ****contains spoilers****:
The AT ATs being extremely top heavy is a bit of a design flaw too. They didn't offer much overall
The ones on R1 are apparently early versions, and get tougher for Empire. Seriously, the time they spent on minor details like that makes my inner geek very happy.
They didn't have the really powerful chin mounted guns either and the way they opened in the middle was a bit poor.
My guess is that was an unfinished walker.
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@NTA said in Star Wars VII ****contains spoilers****:
Great for suppression and ground dominance on a conventional battlefield, as well as delivering troops as an APC.
But they never seem to have enough air cover to protect them, or suitable defensive countermeasures from the rear.
That's a very good point. Iirc there were no TIE fighters deployed during the Hoth battle.
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@Rancid-Schnitzel said in Star Wars VII ****contains spoilers****:
@NTA said in Star Wars VII ****contains spoilers****:
Great for suppression and ground dominance on a conventional battlefield, as well as delivering troops as an APC.
But they never seem to have enough air cover to protect them, or suitable defensive countermeasures from the rear.
That's a very good point. Iirc there were no TIE fighters deployed during the Hoth battle.
Nerd justification: hadn't been adapted to the cold, like the snowspeeders.
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@Kirwan said in Star Wars VII ****contains spoilers****:
@Rancid-Schnitzel said in Star Wars VII ****contains spoilers****:
@NTA said in Star Wars VII ****contains spoilers****:
Great for suppression and ground dominance on a conventional battlefield, as well as delivering troops as an APC.
But they never seem to have enough air cover to protect them, or suitable defensive countermeasures from the rear.
That's a very good point. Iirc there were no TIE fighters deployed during the Hoth battle.
Nerd justification: hadn't been adapted to the cold, like the snowspeeders.
The snowspeeders weren't adapted to fly at night, but clearly they could fly during the day
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Nup they used snow speeders to bring down the AT-AT walkers approaching the Rebel base.
All the other craft only exited atmosphere directly
@Kirwan said in Star Wars VII ****contains spoilers****:
Nerd justification: hadn't been adapted to the cold, like the snowspeeders.
Space isn't warm
I knew what you meant. Atmospheric cold - wind and snow n shit.
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Feel free to shut me down on this, but Hoth isn't that cold, i.e. humans can still walk around with adequate clothing on. Would the atmosphere make any difference to space craft that are used to zipping around the galaxy? I would have thought that it was more a question of speed and manoeuvrability close to land versus fighting in space.
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@Rancid-Schnitzel perhaps George Lucas hadn't considered staging battles with spaceships or he felt the technology was not there to make them look real enough? The only star ship I can recall seeing fly from the surface of Hoth into space was the falcon. Contrast this with the X wing attacks in TFA and R1 and the scene showing the Star destroyer taking off in R1
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OK, after consulting geek wiki's on the subject (soooo busy at work). It appears that the energy shield protecting the base extended down mostly to the ground.
Only slow moving objects, like the AT-ATs could penetrate it (like you saw with the shields on the battle of Naboo, with droids walking through them).
Also, Tie Fighters aren't designed for atmospheric flight, and don't handle well planetside. Add in the cold and bad conditions of Hoth I guess they decided on just ground forces. Worked fairly well for them, they did destroy the base with minimal losses.
What would have been more useful would have been the drop ships used in the Clone Wars. They could have flown straight to the generator, blown it up and allowed for orbital bombardment.
Guess they were no longer in use.
