Star Wars VII ****contains spoilers****
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@MN5 said in Star Wars VII ****contains spoilers****:
@Kirwan said in Star Wars VII ****contains spoilers****:
@MN5 said in Star Wars VII ****contains spoilers****:
The AT ATs being extremely top heavy is a bit of a design flaw too. They didn't offer much overall
The ones on R1 are apparently early versions, and get tougher for Empire. Seriously, the time they spent on minor details like that makes my inner geek very happy.
They didn't have the really powerful chin mounted guns either and the way they opened in the middle was a bit poor.
My guess is that was an unfinished walker.
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@NTA said in Star Wars VII ****contains spoilers****:
Great for suppression and ground dominance on a conventional battlefield, as well as delivering troops as an APC.
But they never seem to have enough air cover to protect them, or suitable defensive countermeasures from the rear.
That's a very good point. Iirc there were no TIE fighters deployed during the Hoth battle.
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@Rancid-Schnitzel said in Star Wars VII ****contains spoilers****:
@NTA said in Star Wars VII ****contains spoilers****:
Great for suppression and ground dominance on a conventional battlefield, as well as delivering troops as an APC.
But they never seem to have enough air cover to protect them, or suitable defensive countermeasures from the rear.
That's a very good point. Iirc there were no TIE fighters deployed during the Hoth battle.
Nerd justification: hadn't been adapted to the cold, like the snowspeeders.
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@Kirwan said in Star Wars VII ****contains spoilers****:
@Rancid-Schnitzel said in Star Wars VII ****contains spoilers****:
@NTA said in Star Wars VII ****contains spoilers****:
Great for suppression and ground dominance on a conventional battlefield, as well as delivering troops as an APC.
But they never seem to have enough air cover to protect them, or suitable defensive countermeasures from the rear.
That's a very good point. Iirc there were no TIE fighters deployed during the Hoth battle.
Nerd justification: hadn't been adapted to the cold, like the snowspeeders.
The snowspeeders weren't adapted to fly at night, but clearly they could fly during the day
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Nup they used snow speeders to bring down the AT-AT walkers approaching the Rebel base.
All the other craft only exited atmosphere directly
@Kirwan said in Star Wars VII ****contains spoilers****:
Nerd justification: hadn't been adapted to the cold, like the snowspeeders.
Space isn't warm
I knew what you meant. Atmospheric cold - wind and snow n shit.
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Feel free to shut me down on this, but Hoth isn't that cold, i.e. humans can still walk around with adequate clothing on. Would the atmosphere make any difference to space craft that are used to zipping around the galaxy? I would have thought that it was more a question of speed and manoeuvrability close to land versus fighting in space.
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@Rancid-Schnitzel perhaps George Lucas hadn't considered staging battles with spaceships or he felt the technology was not there to make them look real enough? The only star ship I can recall seeing fly from the surface of Hoth into space was the falcon. Contrast this with the X wing attacks in TFA and R1 and the scene showing the Star destroyer taking off in R1
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OK, after consulting geek wiki's on the subject (soooo busy at work). It appears that the energy shield protecting the base extended down mostly to the ground.
Only slow moving objects, like the AT-ATs could penetrate it (like you saw with the shields on the battle of Naboo, with droids walking through them).
Also, Tie Fighters aren't designed for atmospheric flight, and don't handle well planetside. Add in the cold and bad conditions of Hoth I guess they decided on just ground forces. Worked fairly well for them, they did destroy the base with minimal losses.
What would have been more useful would have been the drop ships used in the Clone Wars. They could have flown straight to the generator, blown it up and allowed for orbital bombardment.
Guess they were no longer in use.
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@Kirwan said in Star Wars VII ****contains spoilers****:
OK, after consulting geek wiki's on the subject (soooo busy at work). It appears that the energy shield protecting the base extended down mostly to the ground.
Only slow moving objects, like the AT-ATs could penetrate it (like you saw with the shields on the battle of Naboo, with droids walking through them).
Also, Tie Fighters aren't designed for atmospheric flight, and don't handle well planetside. Add in the cold and bad conditions of Hoth I guess they decided on just ground forces. Worked fairly well for them, they did destroy the base with minimal losses.
What would have been more useful would have been the drop ships used in the Clone Wars. They could have flown straight to the generator, blown it up and allowed for orbital bombardment.
Guess they were no longer in use.
Could these factors also have been the reason that Hoth was chosen as the Rebel base? They certainly evacuated in good order.
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@NTA said in Star Wars VII ****contains spoilers****:
Nup they used snow speeders to bring down the AT-AT walkers approaching the Rebel base.
All the other craft only exited atmosphere directly
@Kirwan said in Star Wars VII ****contains spoilers****:
Nerd justification: hadn't been adapted to the cold, like the snowspeeders.
Space isn't warm
I knew what you meant. Atmospheric cold - wind and snow n shit.
Space can be hot and cold, particularly for metal. For example;
"A piece of bare metal in space, under constant sunlight can get as hot as two-hundred-sixty (260) degrees Celsius. This is dangerous to astronauts who have to work outside the station.
If they need to handle bare metal, they wrap it in special coatings or blankets to protect themselves.
And yet, in the shade, an object will cool down to below -100 degrees Celsius."
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@Rancid-Schnitzel said in Star Wars VII ****contains spoilers****:
@Kirwan said in Star Wars VII ****contains spoilers****:
OK, after consulting geek wiki's on the subject (soooo busy at work). It appears that the energy shield protecting the base extended down mostly to the ground.
Only slow moving objects, like the AT-ATs could penetrate it (like you saw with the shields on the battle of Naboo, with droids walking through them).
Also, Tie Fighters aren't designed for atmospheric flight, and don't handle well planetside. Add in the cold and bad conditions of Hoth I guess they decided on just ground forces. Worked fairly well for them, they did destroy the base with minimal losses.
What would have been more useful would have been the drop ships used in the Clone Wars. They could have flown straight to the generator, blown it up and allowed for orbital bombardment.
Guess they were no longer in use.
Could these factors also have been the reason that Hoth was chosen as the Rebel base? They certainly evacuated in good order.
Maybe, certainly they used the conditions well to evacuate. And remember, if anybody else but Vader had seen the probe's findings they would have been dismissed as just an off chart colony, so it was well disguised and in the boondocks.
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@Kirwan said in Star Wars VII ****contains spoilers****:
@Rancid-Schnitzel said in Star Wars VII ****contains spoilers****:
@Kirwan said in Star Wars VII ****contains spoilers****:
OK, after consulting geek wiki's on the subject (soooo busy at work). It appears that the energy shield protecting the base extended down mostly to the ground.
Only slow moving objects, like the AT-ATs could penetrate it (like you saw with the shields on the battle of Naboo, with droids walking through them).
Also, Tie Fighters aren't designed for atmospheric flight, and don't handle well planetside. Add in the cold and bad conditions of Hoth I guess they decided on just ground forces. Worked fairly well for them, they did destroy the base with minimal losses.
What would have been more useful would have been the drop ships used in the Clone Wars. They could have flown straight to the generator, blown it up and allowed for orbital bombardment.
Guess they were no longer in use.
Could these factors also have been the reason that Hoth was chosen as the Rebel base? They certainly evacuated in good order.
Maybe, certainly they used the conditions well to evacuate. And remember, if anybody else but Vader had seen the probe's findings they would have been dismissed as just an off chart colony, so it was well disguised and in the boondocks.
That's it. I think they chose it because it was remote and apparently uninhabited (Han said "There's not enough life on this ball of ice to fill a star cruiser")
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@MN5 said in Star Wars VII ****contains spoilers****:
Tie fighters seem brittle as fuck too. Glancing hits are capable of destroying them.
In the computer games, all the Rebel fighters come with shields, while the TIE fighter (standard) has none. The TIE is more maneuverable, and has great numbers, though.
The advanced models have shields.
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@NTA said in Star Wars VII ****contains spoilers****:
@MN5 said in Star Wars VII ****contains spoilers****:
Tie fighters seem brittle as fuck too. Glancing hits are capable of destroying them.
In the computer games, all the Rebel fighters come with shields, while the TIE fighter (standard) has none. The TIE is more maneuverable, and has great numbers, though.
The advanced models have shields.
....wow....and you called me a nerd....
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Not great news...
Star Wars star Carrie Fisher has reportedly suffered a massive heart attack on an international flight.
TMZ has reported Fisher went into cardiac arrest on the flight from London to Los Angeles.
Other passengers helped administer CPR.
The plane landed at LAX, where paramedics rushed on board and took Fisher to hospital, TMZ reported.
A spokesman for the Los Angeles Fire Department has spoken about the dramatic scenes on the plane as paramedics tried to save Fisher's life after it landed.
"At 12:11 pm the Los Angeles Fire Department responded to a call from LAX for a patient in cardiac arrest," the spokesman told USA Today.
"Firefighter paramedics provided advanced life support and aggressively treated the patient whom was transported to a local hospital."
The Los Angeles Times is reporting that Fisher is in a critical condition in hospital, quoting an emergency services source.
United Airlines has also said the crew of Flight 935 had reported a passenger had become unresponsive as the plane neared LA.
"Our thoughts are with our customer at this time," the airline said.
Fisher became a global movie star after playing Princess Leia in the original Star Wars trilogy.
She has recently been on a book tour.
Fisher, 60, was one of the three main stars of the original Star Wars movies, with Mark Hamill and Harrison Ford.
The trio reunited for last year's Star Wars: The Force Awakens.
She is also a member of the cast of next year's Star Wars: Episode VIII which is currently in production.
Fisher was travelling from London to the US on a United Airlines flight.
In a series of tweets, fellow actress Anna Akana wrote of the drama that unfolded mid-flight.
"Don't know how else to process this but Carrie Fisher stopped breathing on the flight home. Hope she's gonna be OK," she wrote.
"So many thanks to the United flight crew who jumped into action, and the awesome doctor and nurse passengers who helped."
In a wide ranging interview with Rolling Stone magazine published late last month, Fisher opened up about her fear of dying, having an affair with a then-married Ford, why she still loves the music of her ex-husband Paul Simon and the trappings of fame after the Star Wars trilogy.
"I fear dying. Anything with pain associated with it, I don't like," she told Rolling Stone when asked if she feared death.
"I've been there for a couple of people when they were dying; it didn't look like fun. But if I was gonna do it, I'd want someone like me around. And I will be there!"
She also talked about fame and the adulation which followed her appearance in the first Star Wars movie, then Empire Strikes Back and Return of the Jedi.
"The best part is money, travelling and the people you meet. The worst part is, again, money, travel and the people you meet," she responded when asked for the best and worst parts of success.
In the interview, Fisher spoke openly about her relationship with Harrison during filming of the Star Wars movie. The affair also features prominently in her latest book, The Princess Diarist.
The book is based on diaries Fisher wrote during her acting heyday.
Fisher said she had warned Harrison about the contents of the book before it was published.
"Yeah. I told him I found the diaries, which I had not seen since I'd written them and that I was gonna publish them," she told Rolling Stone.
"He just said, 'lawyer'. I told him he could take out anything he didn't like. I sent it to him, but he never commented. I guess he didn't loathe anything. I know the whole thing embarrasses him. That's what it's for, to embarrass all of us again."
The pair had never previously confirmed their much-rumoured relationship.
When asked if she felt a sense of relief about the truth finally being out there, she told Rolling Stone: "No. It's just some big overgrown cat out a bag that could have stayed closed, I suppose. But people have been speculating about it, though it was not something we ever discussed. It was just this elephant in the room. And to this day I feel nervous around him."
