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@Kirwan said in Alternative needed from the absolute crap of stuff.co.nz:
@Siam said in Alternative needed from the absolute crap of stuff.co.nz:
Perhaps even delve deeper into the DHB register database as to how a receptionist can't find a surname in the search function.
The head of the clinic surmised it could have been a spelling discrepancy.
No mention of the two parties engaging in a simple discussion of "let me try to find you in the system, how do you spell..." Then a DL would have been sufficient right?
Interesting that a passport will unlock the database info but not a DL
I've not turned up on their system before, but it's not even about that. Some people have to show proof to avoid abuse of the system.
That's a responsible system.
She looks Thai, sounds Thai, completely reasonable to ask for a passport when she didn't turn up in the search. Not remotely racist and she should have just turned up with the appropriate documentation.
Same rules are applied to everyone.
I went to the servo yesterday to fill the car up. Not only did the Indian guy behind the counter not smile he didn't even ask how my day had been.
Definite racism. I'm going to the media while the topic is still hot
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@Siam said in Alternative needed from the absolute crap of stuff.co.nz:
Perhaps even delve deeper into the DHB register database as to how a receptionist can't find a surname in the search function.
The head of the clinic surmised it could have been a spelling discrepancy.
No mention of the two parties engaging in a simple discussion of "let me try to find you in the system, how do you spell..." Then a DL would have been sufficient right?
Interesting that a passport will unlock the database info but not a DL
Oh so now you accept that a DL is not sufficient ID of citizenship or residency?
Now you accept it was likely a spelling error?Where exactly is the racist element in this then?
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@jegga said in Alternative needed from the absolute crap of stuff.co.nz:
Say what?
Be thankful for small mercies in life Jegga. It's not that foul mouthed South African whale at least.....
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Ok fair enough - all NZers must bring pasports to a new gp visit because its impossible to define what a new zealand citizen looks like - good to know
I thought this quote was relevant "When a casual patient comes to the centre, it was policy to check their name against a national register that includes the patients of every GP in the country." Hence my questioning of why this didnt help alleviate the situation.
Did the receptionist search?I guess the patient is guilty of not bringing enough id. After 10 years here that would be frustrating and surprising, but no need to get go bleating.
I assume the receptionist "couldn't have handled things better" sic
I dont like that a stupid story is made of this trivial encounter ( i guess thats what the thread is about). And I gues its a downside of freedom of speech rights
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@MN5 said in Alternative needed from the absolute crap of stuff.co.nz:
@jegga said in Alternative needed from the absolute crap of stuff.co.nz:
Say what?
Be thankful for small mercies in life Jegga. It's not that foul mouthed South African whale at least.....
She had a book out for Xmas, not a cookbook either
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@jegga said in Alternative needed from the absolute crap of stuff.co.nz:
@MN5 said in Alternative needed from the absolute crap of stuff.co.nz:
@jegga said in Alternative needed from the absolute crap of stuff.co.nz:
Say what?
Be thankful for small mercies in life Jegga. It's not that foul mouthed South African whale at least.....
She had a book out for Xmas, not a cookbook either
Is it a book on comedy?
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@Baron-Silas-Greenback said in Alternative needed from the absolute crap of stuff.co.nz:
@Siam said in Alternative needed from the absolute crap of stuff.co.nz:
Perhaps even delve deeper into the DHB register database as to how a receptionist can't find a surname in the search function.
The head of the clinic surmised it could have been a spelling discrepancy.
No mention of the two parties engaging in a simple discussion of "let me try to find you in the system, how do you spell..." Then a DL would have been sufficient right?
Interesting that a passport will unlock the database info but not a DL
Oh so now you accept that a DL is not sufficient ID of citizenship or residency?
Now you accept it was likely a spelling error?Where exactly is the racist element in this then?
Yes ive been seriously educated about the limitw of DLs as a robust form of id.
Thanks, no seriously, thanks
I mentined spelling in relation to the clinic heads quote - do some research on what was said
Racist element: well since i never mentioned that, i asume thats a question. So my answer is that the receptionist went about her procedure based on the physical apearance of a NZ citizen, thats apparently the definition of racial profiling
Now now dont get upset, its purely a definition and as Milo Y quite rightly says, "dont give words power". Its neither god nor bad, its just a word that defines actions, and as you know its a judgement that al people exercise in their heads hundreds of times every day. Our government deems it inappropriate in the work place
Does that satisfy your question unrelated to my post?
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Everything is racist!! Everything is sexist when you're a minority!! (Lego theme song...)
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@No-Quarter said in Alternative needed from the absolute crap of stuff.co.nz:
Everything is racist!! Everything is sexist when you're a minority!! (Lego theme song...)
....watched that with the boys the other day. Sensational entertainment.
Don't forget a media full of dipshits ready to fan any potential flame for a story.
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@MN5 said in Alternative needed from the absolute crap of stuff.co.nz:
@jegga said in Alternative needed from the absolute crap of stuff.co.nz:
@MN5 said in Alternative needed from the absolute crap of stuff.co.nz:
@jegga said in Alternative needed from the absolute crap of stuff.co.nz:
Say what?
Be thankful for small mercies in life Jegga. It's not that foul mouthed South African whale at least.....
She had a book out for Xmas, not a cookbook either
Is it a book on comedy?
Her life story I think , good idea to stick to something she has some knowledge of . A book from her about comedy belongs on the shelf next to Tiger Woods secrets to a successful marriage or How not to let your rampant ego get the better of you by Clive Woodward,
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@jegga said in Alternative needed from the absolute crap of stuff.co.nz:
@MN5 said in Alternative needed from the absolute crap of stuff.co.nz:
@jegga said in Alternative needed from the absolute crap of stuff.co.nz:
@MN5 said in Alternative needed from the absolute crap of stuff.co.nz:
@jegga said in Alternative needed from the absolute crap of stuff.co.nz:
Say what?
Be thankful for small mercies in life Jegga. It's not that foul mouthed South African whale at least.....
She had a book out for Xmas, not a cookbook either
Is it a book on comedy?
Her life story I think , good idea to stick to something she has some knowledge of . A book from her about comedy belongs on the shelf next to Tiger Woods secrets to a successful marriage or How not to let your rampant ego get the better of you by Clive Woodward,
'Born in S.A.....got fat.....emigrated to NZ.....conned producers into landing me a dream gig on 'Seven Days' ....'
The end.
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@Kirwan said in Alternative needed from the absolute crap of stuff.co.nz:
@Siam said in Alternative needed from the absolute crap of stuff.co.nz:
Perhaps even delve deeper into the DHB register database as to how a receptionist can't find a surname in the search function.
The head of the clinic surmised it could have been a spelling discrepancy.
No mention of the two parties engaging in a simple discussion of "let me try to find you in the system, how do you spell..." Then a DL would have been sufficient right?
Interesting that a passport will unlock the database info but not a DL
I've not turned up on their system before, but it's not even about that. Some people have to show proof to avoid abuse of the system.
That's a responsible system.
She looks Thai, sounds Thai, completely reasonable to ask for a passport when she didn't turn up in the search. Not remotely racist and she should have just turned up with the appropriate documentation.
Same rules are applied to everyone.
Some people have to show proof to avoid abuse of the system.
That's a responsible system.
Kirwan under a little scrutiny, your statement that some people have show proof is not a responsible system as it doesn't define who and what characterises "some"
Caucasians with an accent?
Asians born in NZ?
Jeetan Patel?
Lydia Ko?
Pansy Wong?
You?
Me?A responsible system aimed at reducing ALL health services fraud would require ALL patients to provide proof of nz citizenship, no?
A system that relies on receptionists deciding who comes back tomorrow with their passport is not a responsible system, I posit.
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I recently had scans on my throat and had to provide my passport as proof that I was an NZ citizen. It's not a big deal at all - just standard practice. The fact that this story and the one about the Mad Butcher make headlines as stories about "racism" shows just how fucking absurd things have gotten.
The Mad Butcher story was not racism. This story is not racism. People need to stop searching for fucking racism where it doesn't exist - the Mad Butcher and this DHB don't deserve to have their names dragged through the mud over this horseshit.
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@Siam said in Alternative needed from the absolute crap of stuff.co.nz:
@Kirwan said in Alternative needed from the absolute crap of stuff.co.nz:
@Siam said in Alternative needed from the absolute crap of stuff.co.nz:
Perhaps even delve deeper into the DHB register database as to how a receptionist can't find a surname in the search function.
The head of the clinic surmised it could have been a spelling discrepancy.
No mention of the two parties engaging in a simple discussion of "let me try to find you in the system, how do you spell..." Then a DL would have been sufficient right?
Interesting that a passport will unlock the database info but not a DL
I've not turned up on their system before, but it's not even about that. Some people have to show proof to avoid abuse of the system.
That's a responsible system.
She looks Thai, sounds Thai, completely reasonable to ask for a passport when she didn't turn up in the search. Not remotely racist and she should have just turned up with the appropriate documentation.
Same rules are applied to everyone.
Some people have to show proof to avoid abuse of the system.
That's a responsible system.
Kirwan under a little scrutiny, your statement that some people have show proof is not a responsible system as it doesn't define who and what characterises "some"
Caucasians with an accent?
Asians born in NZ?
Jeetan Patel?
Lydia Ko?
Pansy Wong?
You?
Me?A responsible system aimed at reducing ALL health services fraud would require ALL patients to provide proof of nz citizenship, no?
A system that relies on receptionists deciding who comes back tomorrow with their passport is not a responsible system, I posit.
How about people just taking a dose of 'toughen the fuck up'. When I was in London I had to carry my passport lots of places because I had an accent and needed to prove I was a citizen. Got an accent that is not the same as a native of the country, suck it up and carry your passport to places likely to be reserved for citizens.. like doctors that are not your own.
You jumped into this thread @Siam based on a completely and utterly ignorant knowledge of identification for residences and citizens and now you are just faffing about looking for a victim, there is no victim here except maybe the receptionist who did her job and has been criticised by the easily offended ' and know fuck all's'Yes some people have to show ID to stop abuse to the system.. so fucking what??? Part of being an immigrant. Lots of us here have had to deal with it, and havent bleated and bitched about it. It was inconvenient for me in the UK, but did I want to inconvenience every other single UK citizen because of it? No.
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@No-Quarter said in Alternative needed from the absolute crap of stuff.co.nz:
I recently had scans on my throat and had to provide my passport as proof that I was an NZ citizen. It's not a big deal at all - just standard practice. The fact that this story and the one about the Mad Butcher make headlines as stories about "racism" shows just how fucking absurd things have gotten.
The Mad Butcher story was not racism. This story is not racism. People need to stop searching for fucking racism where it doesn't exist - the Mad Butcher and this DHB don't deserve to have their names dragged through the mud over this horseshit.
Good info, now that's a better system (id from everyone) and I wasn't sure if that was SOP in NZ for citizens wanting medical treatment. I get the feeling not all New Zealanders know they have to bring proof of citizenship for a visit to the doctor for a cold. I never have and a DL is used in a lot of cases (erroneously so, it would seem)
Totally agree that racism is a cure all shout for "I'm disaffected" and it's got so that it's a word with so many connotations and such power that people have ascribed too much weight to it. It's basically a verb just like walk and breathe yet people are reacting to it like it's a physical threat to all well being.
We've given words too much power
We've also somewhere along the line given people a false sense of importance as to what their opinion on something matters in the world, i.e. the relevance of your opinion.
NOT to be misconstrued with he relevance of a discussion or the relevance of sifting out objective facts or the relevance of looking at something in a different light, or the relevance of learning something.These days I'm trying to digest info by asking, "is it true?", can I trust the source? Does that information add to my perception or knowledge of a subject? Will that affect my daily life at all?
weeds out about 90% of mainstream media and about 80% of fern posts
weeds out about
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@No-Quarter said in Alternative needed from the absolute crap of stuff.co.nz:
@jegga @MN5 the wife and I watched that show Funny Girls for about 30 seconds before we had to stop to avoid gouging our eyes out. That's 30 seconds of my life I'm never getting back.
Ah so it's obviously an ironic name then?
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@Baron-Silas-Greenback said in Alternative needed from the absolute crap of stuff.co.nz:
@Siam said in Alternative needed from the absolute crap of stuff.co.nz:
@Kirwan said in Alternative needed from the absolute crap of stuff.co.nz:
@Siam said in Alternative needed from the absolute crap of stuff.co.nz:
Perhaps even delve deeper into the DHB register database as to how a receptionist can't find a surname in the search function.
The head of the clinic surmised it could have been a spelling discrepancy.
No mention of the two parties engaging in a simple discussion of "let me try to find you in the system, how do you spell..." Then a DL would have been sufficient right?
Interesting that a passport will unlock the database info but not a DL
I've not turned up on their system before, but it's not even about that. Some people have to show proof to avoid abuse of the system.
That's a responsible system.
She looks Thai, sounds Thai, completely reasonable to ask for a passport when she didn't turn up in the search. Not remotely racist and she should have just turned up with the appropriate documentation.
Same rules are applied to everyone.
Some people have to show proof to avoid abuse of the system.
That's a responsible system.
Kirwan under a little scrutiny, your statement that some people have show proof is not a responsible system as it doesn't define who and what characterises "some"
Caucasians with an accent?
Asians born in NZ?
Jeetan Patel?
Lydia Ko?
Pansy Wong?
You?
Me?A responsible system aimed at reducing ALL health services fraud would require ALL patients to provide proof of nz citizenship, no?
A system that relies on receptionists deciding who comes back tomorrow with their passport is not a responsible system, I posit.
How about people just taking a dose of 'toughen the fuck up'. When I was in London I had to carry my passport lots of places because I had an accent and needed to prove I was a citizen. Got an accent that is not the same as a native of the country, suck it up and carry your passport to places likely to be reserved for citizens.. like doctors that are not your own.
You jumped into this thread @Siam based on a completely and utterly ignorant knowledge of identification for residences and citizens and now you are just faffing about looking for a victim, there is no victim here except maybe the receptionist who did her job and has been criticised by the easily offended ' and know fuck all's'Yes some people have to show ID to stop abuse to the system.. so fucking what??? Part of being an immigrant. Lots of us here have had to deal with it, and havent bleated and bitched about it. It was inconvenient for me in the UK, but did I want to inconvenience every other single UK citizen because of it? No.
Great post. To touch on it further its pretty likely that 'John from Fielding' is a citizen based on his appearance and accent eg rolling into the office in gumboots, stubbies, stinking of cow shit with a crate of tui in the back of the ute. Is that 'reverse racial profiling?'
Again, I could live in Beijing most of my life but given I'm a Caucasian there's a pretty high chance I'll be asked for proof of residency if I'm after subsidised health care. The last thing I'd do is kick up a stibk about it.
